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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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Kloakk said:
SkanskKorv said:
So 60-65°c for 1-2 hours?


That's what I do, +2 hours :rockon:



Does it really need 4 hours though? Tree frog's casing application guide says 1 hour so I was thinking 2 hours just to be certain.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv]
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60 minutes at 140f kills spores.  I've done longer and higher temperature.  But 60 at 140f is enough and unless a tray stalls for four+ weeks, peat based casing has never been a contamination vector for me.

But that's peat.  Depending on what I'm working with and how composted it is, I might go as long as 24 hours, because thermophilic microorganisms develop best around 130f.


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With no problems

Edited by tree frog (06/15/25 08:29 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
It looks like bisoprus to me :shrug:

I agree that it looks healthy :smile:  Gave me butterflies when I saw it last night :lol:

Here's a plate I took a reference photo of.




silky smooth

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Oh okay I'm using peat and Verm but I don't know how to tell which quality but then it should work with 1 hour if I understood you correctly? Stupid question perhaps but I wanna be certain and I just started the pot.

Pazturising for 24h is not an option for me really, I have to use my stove and a pot.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 1
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Verm is just minerals.  So it doesn't really factor into the equation, you can pretty much use it out of the bag unless it has dead bugs and other garbage in it.

When I did 24 hours it was for substrate, and I was proliferating thermophilic microorganisms into hemp straw.  I was essentially composting it.

To be clear, 60 minutes is fine for peat and peat/verm.


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I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (06/15/25 09:12 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Ah that eases my mind a lot because that's also what I remembered about Verm and I've used it straight out of the bag before this.

Alright then, thank you! I was worried I had to boil these little fuckers for 24h but I'll be doing 1.5 then just because I'm a paranoid fella.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv]
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gonna run bisporus in the dryer with some cubes as well, on high at 165.

Should I remove them sooner than 24 hours? I think tree fog said they tend to be done in 12? I have an excalibur so it's pretty fricken potent.

Don't know if any actives in it break down, so just looking for some pointers here.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Huskies] * 1
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Huskies said:
gonna run bisporus in the dryer with some cubes as well, on high at 165.

Should I remove them sooner than 24 hours? I think tree fog said they tend to be done in 12? I have an excalibur so it's pretty fricken potent.

Don't know if any actives in it break down, so just looking for some pointers here.


I bet they are done after 6-10 hours :awesomenod:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Huskies]
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Huskies said:
gonna run bisporus in the dryer with some cubes as well, on high at 165.

Should I remove them sooner than 24 hours? I think tree fog said they tend to be done in 12? I have an excalibur so it's pretty fricken potent.

Don't know if any actives in it break down, so just looking for some pointers here.



Isn't 165f very high? I'm curious since people always told me that you want the lowest setting possible. Will the potency be the same as if you dry them at 100f? I haven't dared to go over 120f but I didn't notice any potency loss at 120f.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv]
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It's wise to be concerned about pH.  I think it's one of the unrecognised problems ppl have. 

Have to also wonder about salinity.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 2
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SkanskKorv said:
Huskies said:
gonna run bisporus in the dryer with some cubes as well, on high at 165.

Should I remove them sooner than 24 hours? I think tree fog said they tend to be done in 12? I have an excalibur so it's pretty fricken potent.

Don't know if any actives in it break down, so just looking for some pointers here.



Isn't 165f very high? I'm curious since people always told me that you want the lowest setting possible. Will the potency be the same as if you dry them at 100f? I haven't dared to go over 120f but I didn't notice any potency loss at 120f.


Huskies- if it's packed full, may take longer. Remove them when they're ready; snap cracker dry.

SK- 165f is fine & preferred by many. No noticable potency loss will be present. In fact, many claim that the quick drying preserves actives better than slower, long drawn out methods.

There is an ongoing 'debate' on which is "best" - probably always will be 😅🤣. Some go low, some go high temp. All seem happy with their results - so, instead of fighting about it, just verify for yourself with a few small batches to see which you prefer. 😎


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ShitdickNancy]
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... and some go no-temp:



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dr. Smoke] * 5
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bummer


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mushboy] * 1
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Question for those with more experience than I:

If I let a pan plate sit for too long, I end up with white dots growing on the outer edge of the culture. Are these plins trying to form or contamination? I know this particular plate is in rough shape, but I've seen similar growth on plates that looked much nicer.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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I have it happen all the time.  I believe it’s pseudo-sclerotia.  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27776204#27776204

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster]
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Good to know! Tyvm!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ShitdickNancy] * 1
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Dr. Smoke said:
It's wise to be concerned about pH.  I think it's one of the unrecognised problems ppl have. 

Have to also wonder about salinity.


Whilst this in fact seems to be true I think you misunderstood me or I'm misunderstanding you right now. My question was about the heat since I've been really split over what settings to dehydrate them with.


ShitdickNancy said:
SkanskKorv said:
Huskies said:
gonna run bisporus in the dryer with some cubes as well, on high at 165.

Should I remove them sooner than 24 hours? I think tree fog said they tend to be done in 12? I have an excalibur so it's pretty fricken potent.

Don't know if any actives in it break down, so just looking for some pointers here.



Isn't 165f very high? I'm curious since people always told me that you want the lowest setting possible. Will the potency be the same as if you dry them at 100f? I haven't dared to go over 120f but I didn't notice any potency loss at 120f.


Huskies- if it's packed full, may take longer. Remove them when they're ready; snap cracker dry.

SK- 165f is fine & preferred by many. No noticable potency loss will be present. In fact, many claim that the quick drying preserves actives better than slower, long drawn out methods.

There is an ongoing 'debate' on which is "best" - probably always will be 😅🤣. Some go low, some go high temp. All seem happy with their results - so, instead of fighting about it, just verify for yourself with a few small batches to see which you prefer. 😎



Yeah I've also been told that quicker is better which is why I want it as fast as possible but I've been told high heat will fuck up or evaporate the psilocin and psilocybin so I've been pissing out with The heat:lol:

And just so things are clear I wasn't fighting about it, I just need to learn but I assume you mean the official and endless "fight" people are having about it:rockon:

Thanks for the input, I'll be drying a small batch of pans at 165f and see how that goes because I hate waiting for them to dry at the lowest setting, especially when drying cubes.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv]
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Hey Korv, I was just making general observations.

And personally I believe that the difference in trips between wet and dry, is down to the heat destroying alkaloids.  This is why I suggested the passive herb dryer with fan, which keeps out gnats, moths, etc, although granted it is much slower.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dr. Smoke] * 2
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Heat helps remove water quickly.  If you're someplace dry, a fan and hanging mesh can work in a pinch.

But it's still better to use some heat, to get the water out.  As oxidation is the biggest enemy.  Oxidation does happen more rapidly at higher temperatures, but it will happen at room temperature too, just from the water.

So the faster we can remove the water, the better.  As long as we're under 200f anyway.

All of that said, I heard low heat keeps more psilocin from becoming psilocybin.  But it was an anecdote from a small sample size and I haven't looked at the chemistry to validate.  I tend to do either 95f or 160f.  The latter is more food safe (pasteurization temps).  The former because of the idea above.


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I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 2
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From my limited experience in the past...  good month... I must say that bisporus comes off as the prettiest of the (sub-) tropical pans. Wavy caps. Thick stipes. And those caps...

Will sample in two days...



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