tripdawg420 said:

oh so its just some odd ball shit oh alright what ever so it fully colonizes then fruits while being in fruiting conditions the whole time

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Kloakk said:

tripdawg420 said:

oh so its just some odd ball shit oh alright what ever so it fully colonizes then fruits while being in fruiting conditions the whole time

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Could you explain what you do different during colonization and fruiting? Just so I can get a mental image of it?

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well the pinning triggers full colonization and fresh air evaporation off the sub oh frequint eviorment changes fanning
i didnt wana swing my lil dick around but here

man i know how to fruit tubs

tripdawg420 said:

well the pinning triggers full colonization and fresh air evaporation off the sub

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tripdawg420 said:

idk i just spawn close the lid and wait about 10 day then introduce fruting

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Tropical said:

[Edit] : and for sensuality / being alone with your SO in bed and have some sensuality (not in a sexual way), is there a better strain than others?

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Big Jon said:

I’m just so confused right now…

I appreciate all the advice and time people spent responding, so this isn’t towards you guys are anything but I’ve been pouring an absurd amount of time into perfecting monotubs…only to have one succeed since last June, all my other harvests have been AIO grow bags or PF Tek.

First I didn’t put a casing, that’s the one that worked (even tho I got conflicting info from Northspore about automated tubs that I didn’t fucking need at the time). Then I followed Beefys Compression two using 2 quarts of substrate for casing…so I did that for the Jack Frost. and then Beefy changed it a week later to only 1 quart of substrate for the casing…so I did that for the PE.

While I have def heard of fruiting at spawn with success, I thought in terms of contam it was safer to wait until the substrate was fully colonized. But now you guys are saying that it could lead to contam issues?
I guess I thought fruiting at spawn was more for someone with more experience who knows the proper surface conditions … idk. I’m doing my best and getting closer to success (I feel like) but there always seems to be something I should have done, even though I spend a lot of time on here researching.  I let the PE tub colonize the same as the Jack Frost, but like I said the PE seems to be pinning fine right after I increased FAE and light…like 2 days later.

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Yeah it's a lot of information and not always easy to see what goes where in which situation.

If you are growing cubes then a casing is not needed, but I believe what you are referring to is a pseudo casing or top layer of coir, and a lot of us do that. Beef uses 2qt spawn and 8+2qt coir in his Beefy tek. So that would be a 1:4+1 pseudo casing/top layer ratio. What ratio have you been doing with your tubs?

With a coir/verm substrate a contamination will almost always come from plates or spawn, and not from the substrate, if your plates are clean, grains sterilized and jar is 100% colonized before spawning to substrate it will not contaminate. I use a pseudo casing/top layer to get more even colonization on the top to get more even pinset and it makes it easier to level the substrate.


Dialing in a tub is all you need to think about, doesn't matter if you call it fruiting or colonization condition. The things to think about is giving the mycelium enough air exchange to colonize without a problem, but not giving it more air exchange then needed because that will dry out the substrate faster.

Kloakk said:

Big Jon said:

I’m just so confused right now…

I appreciate all the advice and time people spent responding, so this isn’t towards you guys are anything but I’ve been pouring an absurd amount of time into perfecting monotubs…only to have one succeed since last June, all my other harvests have been AIO grow bags or PF Tek.

First I didn’t put a casing, that’s the one that worked (even tho I got conflicting info from Northspore about automated tubs that I didn’t fucking need at the time). Then I followed Beefys Compression two using 2 quarts of substrate for casing…so I did that for the Jack Frost. and then Beefy changed it a week later to only 1 quart of substrate for the casing…so I did that for the PE.

While I have def heard of fruiting at spawn with success, I thought in terms of contam it was safer to wait until the substrate was fully colonized. But now you guys are saying that it could lead to contam issues?
I guess I thought fruiting at spawn was more for someone with more experience who knows the proper surface conditions … idk. I’m doing my best and getting closer to success (I feel like) but there always seems to be something I should have done, even though I spend a lot of time on here researching.  I let the PE tub colonize the same as the Jack Frost, but like I said the PE seems to be pinning fine right after I increased FAE and light…like 2 days later.

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Yeah it's a lot of information and not always easy to see what goes where in which situation.

If you are growing cubes then a casing is not needed, but I believe what you are referring to is a pseudo casing or top layer of coir, and a lot of us do that. Beef uses 2qt spawn and 8+2qt coir in his Beefy tek. So that would be a 1:4+1 pseudo casing/top layer ratio. What ratio have you been doing with your tubs?

With a coir/verm substrate a contamination will almost always come from plates or spawn, and not from the substrate, if your plates are clean, grains sterilized and jar is 100% colonized before spawning to substrate it will not contaminate. I use a pseudo casing/top layer to get more even colonization on the top to get more even pinset and it makes it easier to level the substrate.


Dialing in a tub is all you need to think about, doesn't matter if you call it fruiting or colonization condition. The things to think about is giving the mycelium enough air exchange to colonize without a problem, but not giving it more air exchange then needed because that will dry out the substrate faster.

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Big Jon said:

Also, I used the search engine and found multiple members experiencing slow pinning times with Jack Frost so idk what is going on.

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nektar61 said:

Big Jon said:

Also, I used the search engine and found multiple members experiencing slow pinning times with Jack Frost so idk what is going on.

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Do note that shrooms that take longer than normal to grow (especially in the tub phase) tend to be stronger.

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