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Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs * 23
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Title says it all. I'll document my best understanding of taxonomy in the Psilocybe genus and optimal fruiting conditions (substrates, temperatures, etc.) For clarity, this isn't intended to be an identification handbook. It's intent is for cultivation.

To my best current knowledge, these are the sections in which specific species fall under:

Section Aztecorum
aztecorum
caeruleorhiza
serbica var. arcana
serbica var. bohemica
serbica var. morovica

Section Caerulescentes (formerly Sect. Cubensae)
niveotropicalis
subaeruginascens
subaeruginascens var. septentrionalis
thaiaerugineomaculans
thaiduplicatocystidiata
wayanadensis

Section Ovoideocystidiata (formerly Sect. Cubensae)
ovoideocystidiata

Section Cordisporae
banderillensis
cordispora
fagicola
guilaretensis
heimii
hoogshagenii*
mammillata
neoxalapensis
pleurocystidiosa
portoricensis
singeri
stametsii
subyungensis 
xalapensis
yungensis

Section Cubensae
chuxiongensis
cubensis
indica
maluti
natalensis
ochraceocentrata
pseudoaztecorum
subcubensis


Section Subaeruginosae (formerly Sect. Cyanescens)
allenii
azurescens
cyanescens
makarorae
weraroa
subaeruginosa
subsecotioides nom. prov.

Section Hopii
gandalfiana nom. prov.
hopii
mescaleroensis

Section Mexicanae
caerulescens
gallaeciae (100% match on ITS to tampanensis, but differs through fruiting behavior and geographic location. I'll consider this a different species if full genome is done and it's updated on genbank.)
hoogshagenii
mexicana
ruiliensis
samuiensis
subhoogshagenii
tampanensis

Section Semilanceatae (formerly Sect. Stuntzae)
caeruleoannulata
meridionalis
stuntzii

Section Semilanceatae
alutacea
angulospora
baeocystis
caerulipes
cyanofibrillosa
fuscofulva
fimetaria
hispanica
liniformans
medullosa
pelliculosa
rostrata
semilanceata
silvatica 
subfimetaria 
tasmaniana
uruguayensis
Galeropsis polytrichoides

Section Zapotecorum
angustipleurocystidiata
antioquiensis
aucklandiae
cinnamomea
collybioides
graveolens
hoogshagenii*
ingeli
keralensis
kumaenorum
moseri
muliercula
papuana
pintonii
subcaerulipes (argentipes)
subtropicalis
taiwanensis
thaizapoteca
zapotecoantillarum
zapotecocaribaea
zapotecorum

Clade 1:
Aztecorum (wood lovers)
Caerulescentes (wood lovers)
Cubensae (dung lovers)
Subaeruginosae (wood lovers)
Hopii (wood lovers)
Ovoideocystidiata (wood lovers)

Clade 2:
Cordisporae (exotics)
Mexicanae (exotics)
Semilanceatae (exotics, dung lovers, wood lovers)
Zapotecorum (exotics)


This list is debatable. Some are synonymous, some are undescribed, and some fall under taxon which are no longer used.
In short, taxonomy is a mess and there is a lot of sorting out to do. Section Stuntzae in particular is a retired taxon. Most of these species now belong to Section Semilanceatae. There are in between areas as well.

Understanding the section in which a specific species belongs, helps to understand fruiting parameters, culture work, and potential natural hybridization.

How I determine fruiting parameters and section:
Inaturalist is a great feature. If you search a species and click "about" it will often say what section it is. This isn't always accurate though. Ps. baeocystis for example was first placed in Section Aztecorum by Guzman. It's actually in Section Semilanceatae, but it's still kind of grey area. This species, along with pelliculosa, caerulipes, etc.(same section,) seems to prefer a more woody substrate, whereas others in the section are dung lovers. I plan to experiment running on a multitude of substrates. Some with wood, some without, some with dung, etc. What further proves baeocystis not belonging to Aztecorum Section is how it's mycelium behaves. This species will not produce rhizomorphs. Everything in Section Aztecorum does.


It's best to look up phylogenetic trees. This isn't always easy finding ones that are up to date though.

You may also notice that pseudoaztecorum is mentioned on inaturalist belonging to Section Aztecorum but it's actually in Section Cubensae. Furthermore, quebecensis is a retired taxon. Study taxonomy enough and you'll realize what a mess it is.

If you then scroll down to "Habitat and distribution" it will describe more about fruiting conditions.

Then click on "Map" (next to the "About" tab, up top.) This will show you were observations took place.

Now go to "Explore."




From here, you can search up species. Make sure you click on the suggestion it gives you in the drop down list, otherwise it doesn't work.
From here you will see all observations made of the species (or suspected species,) starting from most recent. Pay attention to dates these were made and locations. You can Google temperatures of that area during that time. But you also need to pay attention to elevation. If a certain species was found at high elevation, certainly it will be cooler.
Observe the pictures posted. Pay attention to the substrate and surrounding area. Read the notes! Some naturalists, include very detailed notes!

Another great tool is Mushroom Observer, though I'm much less familiar with the navigation of this site.

Undescribed Species

Anything not currently listed on Genbank should be considered undescribed.

Below I'll compile a list of undescribed species. I'm uncertain if some of these species have been decided to be synonymous with already existing species.

Ps. aquamarina (update: California CA03 is now being considered aquamarina. subaeruginascens cf. from Africa is also being considered aquamarina. This would land the species in Section Caerulescentes, ovoideocystidiata, ornin between. I have to do a little digging.)

Limited Information Species

P. caribaea, P. egonii, P. subpsilocybioides, P. zapotecoantillarum and P. zapotecocaribaea


Any help greatly appreciated! Thanks guys!

Edited by PhenoDreamers (08/02/26 12:34 PM)

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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: PhenoDreamers] * 4
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Good work! Thank you!


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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: Scemilope] * 1
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Nice!

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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: PhenoDreamers] * 1
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Good job! It's great to have a nice grouped list of varieties to understand their specific growing conditions.
Thank you for sharing :thumbup:

By the way, for what reason is hoogshagenii* marked with the asterisk?

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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: Bra] * 1
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:popcorn:


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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
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:popcorn:


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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: Bra] * 2
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hoogshagenii is known to be Mexicanae but there's possibility that there's varieties of this species that belong to other sections or completely different, undescribed species altogether

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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: PhenoDreamers] * 1
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:camping:

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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: mushboy] * 1
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:popcorn:

:growshrooms:

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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: catnip40] * 2
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I’ve must’ve been using the word clade where I should’ve used the word section.
Thanks for writing this stuff out.

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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: Land Trout] * 1
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:thisisgonnabegood:

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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: JW123] * 1
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:popcorn:

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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
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:crazy2:

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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: Illegal_Phoenix] * 1
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I'm guessing all the 🍿 means there's some potential drama with this, but I found it very useful, thanks!

Now all I'm missing is references for the random names vendors make up for each of these and all the crosses 😆

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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: psilygoose] * 7
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Neutral, just means we’re watching and kinda excited.


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Smellyhobbit said:
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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: Mr Piggy] * 2
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Niveotropicalis more like niveo my assis that is a Florida ovoid

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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: psilygoose] * 4
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Hahah why do I have to be linked to drama 🤣 I've just been working on all of these species simultaneously and most of them need the same thing, depending on the section.

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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: PhenoDreamers] * 5
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It’s really funny looking back on the history of taxonomy across pretty much all organisms. The greatest minds of the times often placed things inside of a catogory that fit them for discussion at the time they were described and placed but as we’ve continued to get further in our observations things just get moved around renamed and placed into areas that better fit the point of view we have now. I got to see Dave Aurora do a talk a couple years ago and he said coolest thing I’ve ever heard, from the author of one of the richest densest scientific yet still enjoyable books on the descriptions of mushrooms, he said stop to using the Latin names because they’re always changing, and to stick to the common names because than people will know what your talking about, or something like that

The species problem from wiki
It is difficult to define a species in a way that applies to all organisms. The debate about species concepts is called the species problem. The problem was recognised even in 1859, when Darwin wrote in On the Origin of Species:
I was much struck how entirely vague and arbitrary is the distinction between species and varieties.
He went on to write:
No one definition has satisfied all naturalists; yet every naturalist knows vaguely what he means when he speaks of a species. Generally the term includes the unknown element of a distinct act of creation.

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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: Land Trout] * 1
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Man it will be seriously challenging not to use Latin names. It's a very valid point tho. Those won't change.

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Re: Psilocybe Taxonomy and Individual Needs [Re: PhenoDreamers] * 2
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I prefer latin, even if it is shifting.  Probably more to do with autism than anything else :lol:  Local names does make sense on that level though.


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