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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Shroom_Ed65]
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Shroom_Ed65 said:
do you suggest I pour a little water down the sides to moisten it back up?




No, I wouldn't do that. How big is your tub? I've had 27qt tubs that have given me 2 full flushes like this (pictured is the 1st flush)

without the need to mist/soak, or anything. I just picked the first flush, popped the top back on and waited for my next flush. I think you'd be surprised (as was I, until I experienced it in person) how many flushes these bricks of coir can push out with just the original water you added to them to hydrate them

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Huskies]
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yes I do check on that a lot, the mycelium does have tiny droplets on it, I'm just concerned about the pins turning black thinking that they are aborting, is it normal to have that many abort on the first flush when they are so small, less than an inch tall?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tholos]
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it's 28 qt. I'm pretty sure, I try and keep the sides wet and fan it a few times a day to give it fresh air.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Shroom_Ed65]
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Shroom_Ed65 said:
yes I do check on that a lot, the mycelium does have tiny droplets on it, I'm just concerned about the pins turning black thinking that they are aborting, is it normal to have that many abort on the first flush when they are so small, less than an inch tall?




Knowing what the plates/grain jars that you used to spawn the tub would be far more helpful in giving you diagnostics. If everything was in tip top shape, then there is still a very small percentage chance that you have a culture that doesn't fruit very well. It's happened to me before, but it by far the exception and not the rule.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Shroom_Ed65]
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Shroom_Ed65 said:
it's 28 qt. I'm pretty sure, I try and keep the sides wet and fan it a few times a day to give it fresh air.



Not sure where you got that information from, but I never fan ANY of my tubs. Maybe, if a tub substrate is extremely dry I will lightly mist it to promote condensation formation on the myc, but most of the time, the less you do with the tub, the better. From reading your past post history, I would suggest the same! Let it be

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Huskies] * 1
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Huskies said:
SkanskKorv said:
Jrey16 said:
SkanskKorv said:
When do I chuck my jars and start over? I still have no mycelium growth whatsoever after 17 days, I won't chuck them just now but I want to know how long is too long because I'd need the jars to try again. I was thinking 4 weeks before I throw em out judging from what I've read, or should I perhaps wait longer?

They're pan cyan TTBVI and I used Shea25's pans without a pc guide.




I have TTBVI on grains right now fully colonized ready to S2B. It took around 2 weeks to fully colonized. 17 days with no growth is too long. I would start over. I saw growth within the first day or 2. There is for sure something wrong with your culture or grains. Pretty sure it is the culture. Did you use LC or agar? I used agar. I've tried making LC before but that's harder in my experience. With agar you can see if the culture is clean or not.

Oh and I just noticed you said you didn't PC the grains? I tried that many times (broke boi tek) when I first started and it was always a fail. Once I got a PC (I bought the cheapest one) I finally started getting successful grows. All of the pictures in my signature are from my first ever grows.

I haven't grown pan cyan yet, I am still new to it. But it is more complicated than growing cubes imo. You need clean culture and make sure to sterilize your grains properly with the right moisture content in your grains. That is the key to success!




No agar or liquid culture, it's an ms syringe so I expected to to take a week or so to show any signs but even for spores this seems like an awful lot of time.

And I didn't use grain spawn, as I mentioned previously I made a modified pf tek with 1:1:1:1 manure, verm, brf and water bit I suspect it's a bit too wet.

I made an LC from the TTBVI spores a couple of days ago though so I'll be trying that but it feels like a big risk, I just don't feel experienced enough for agar and feel a tad confused over it. I guess it's time to learn though... Is there any simple guide for it?



What pressure cooker did you get? My sig has a pretty simple and cheap way of doing it in an instant pot, but that is for pouring. 1000ml of gnocchi water gets me around 80 sauce container plates and I do it in a SAB with absolutely minimal contaminations on the agar itself.

A even safer method would oldschool pastyplates, which you could also do in an instant pot or small pressure cooker.

spores to LC is not going to give you clean LC, so scrap that idea. LC is hard to make perfect, even more so from a beginner.

You are also using a 15 year old tek, things change, and a lot of old stuff has become outdated as the shared knowledge increases. Doesn't mean it can't work, but it means it's less reliably going to do so.

For Pan Cyans, you should try this. There is also a huge thread for them specifically here

Your best bet would be use spores to get clean growth on agar, make 1 or 2 transfer from good mycelium until you have good even growth, then use that to inoculate all in one jars with wedges or even by making a LI with PCed water,

You could maybe even re-sterilize the cakes you have now since there is no growth in them. Maybe someone else has a better answer in regards to if that will still work.

edit: you still might see growth from these cakes. If nothing is showing up, at least there isn't mold or bacteria, so in theory your syringe could've been sufficiently clean for pf cakes.

Leave them be, be patient. But I do recommend the links I gave you.



I got this pressure cooker https://www.bagarenochkocken.se/p/mareld-tryckkokare-6-liter_58405/?srsltid=AfmBOorLxX1M7G4q1XhhalfI5Gib80E1f6Z1FN_Vn5IWCo5qRtO1WUVzn1c&gQT=1 because its what I can afford at the moment. It's only 6L but it goes up to 14.5psi which I'd say is close enough to 15psi.

Yeah I know LC is hard to get right but my dumbass brain told me that I managed to get the other 2 right so why not this? After making it I realized I might've just wasted good spores...

Also thank you very much for the links, I'm already a part of the pan thread and I've been reqdin tree frog's posts and guides a lot and will be following them as soon as I've got the right gear.

And I think I might just chuck the cakes if nothing happens since I'll be using totally different methods from now on and I just wanna start fresh again I guess. I'll definitely leave the jars for at least 30 days before I throw them out but after that I might clear them and do agar to grain instead.

Thanks for taking your time! I highly appreciate it being the noob I am.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tholos]
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I used grain sealed bags, broke them up after the mycelium was good and established then waited for about 2 more weeks before I mixed it into the substrate and then covered it with about an inch or less with the left over substrate then kept the walls misted and soon the mycelium spread across the substrate and about a week ago I got my first pins, btw: its Z strain.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tholos]
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thanks I will try that, you've been a big help.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Shroom_Ed65]
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@OnlineSkanskKorv: that PC will be more than fine, but stick to smaller sized jars, half pints and pints at most. best of luck! do you still have spore solution left? You only need a tiny bit on agar to propagate infinite mycelium.

@Shroom_Ed65: were the grains colonized with spore syringes? Vendors push that, but it is not considered a good way to go in terms of sterility. Spore to grains are less likely to be very clean, and even vendor LCs need to be tested.

Give it time, patience tends to be the first casualty with your first grows. Hopefully you will get a nice flush.

It could be the case that it is slightly or even heavily bacterial, and that is why there aren't many pins or that they are aborting. Was there a fermented fruit smell to the spawn?

If so, bacterial spawn is your likely answer. Agar is the secret to reliable success.

Cheers and best of luck to both of you


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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What’s wrong with the climate or what’s causing all this side and bottom pinning? Anything I can do to get it to pin on top?

B+,  20days since adding to tub. Humidity stays at 99%+ temp 19-21 Celsius. I was told to leave it alone by many users on here, so I haven’t touched it, but I noticed this today and I’m curious.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: eCamp78] * 1
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They will spawn where they feel like they want to. Best you can do is try for best surface conditions during spawn.

I can tell your surface is quite uneven. Get yourself a flat trowel with a plastic handle, and you can use that to make your surface even during spawn. Pressing it down is the new meta.


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The Official Wild Cubensis Thread
Easy Instant Pot Agar
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: eCamp78]
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the conditions are better for pinning on the sides than on the surface.

Proper Surface Moisture / When to Increase FAE

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: catnip40]
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Any way to improve the surface condition? I see a lot of humidity around the sides, so if the conditions there are favorable, how can I make them want to grow towards the center? The lid is upside down, no holes drilled (unmodified tub).

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Huskies]
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It's already colonized, not much you can do. They will still be harvestable. Just try to make the next surfaces better and follow the advice of the thread posted


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Huskies' Grimoire
The Official Wild Cubensis Thread
Easy Instant Pot Agar
Let's Talk Cowtek

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Huskies]
    #29180222 -

Huskies said:
@OnlineSkanskKorv: that PC will be more than fine, but stick to smaller sized jars, half pints and pints at most. best of luck! do you still have spore solution left? You only need a tiny bit on agar to propagate infinite mycelium.

@Shroom_Ed65: were the grains colonized with spore syringes? Vendors push that, but it is not considered a good way to go in terms of sterility. Spore to grains are less likely to be very clean, and even vendor LCs need to be tested.

Give it time, patience tends to be the first casualty with your first grows. Hopefully you will get a nice flush.

It could be the case that it is slightly or even heavily bacterial, and that is why there aren't many pins or that they are aborting. Was there a fermented fruit smell to the spawn?

If so, bacterial spawn is your likely answer. Agar is the secret to reliable success.

Cheers and best of luck to both of you



Well there are no worries then since all my jars are half pints. And yes I still have about 15ml of spore solution made from 1/5th of a print! And the rest of the print is still intact so I've got more tries if I fuck this up. Thanks once again man, I'm looking forward to doing things the right way.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: SkanskKorv] * 2
    #29180240 -

SkanskKorv said:
Jrey16 said:
SkanskKorv said:
When do I chuck my jars and start over? I still have no mycelium growth whatsoever after 17 days, I won't chuck them just now but I want to know how long is too long because I'd need the jars to try again. I was thinking 4 weeks before I throw em out judging from what I've read, or should I perhaps wait longer?

They're pan cyan TTBVI and I used Shea25's pans without a pc guide.




I have TTBVI on grains right now fully colonized ready to S2B. It took around 2 weeks to fully colonized. 17 days with no growth is too long. I would start over. I saw growth within the first day or 2. There is for sure something wrong with your culture or grains. Pretty sure it is the culture. Did you use LC or agar? I used agar. I've tried making LC before but that's harder in my experience. With agar you can see if the culture is clean or not.

Oh and I just noticed you said you didn't PC the grains? I tried that many times (broke boi tek) when I first started and it was always a fail. Once I got a PC (I bought the cheapest one) I finally started getting successful grows. All of the pictures in my signature are from my first ever grows.

I haven't grown pan cyan yet, I am still new to it. But it is more complicated than growing cubes imo. You need clean culture and make sure to sterilize your grains properly with the right moisture content in your grains. That is the key to success!




No agar or liquid culture, it's an ms syringe so I expected to to take a week or so to show any signs but even for spores this seems like an awful lot of time.

And I didn't use grain spawn, as I mentioned previously I made a modified pf tek with 1:1:1:1 manure, verm, brf and water bit I suspect it's a bit too wet.

I made an LC from the TTBVI spores a couple of days ago though so I'll be trying that but it feels like a big risk, I just don't feel experienced enough for agar and feel a tad confused over it. I guess it's time to learn though... Is there any simple guide for it?




Buddy, none of that is clean tek.  You can't just throw manure in cakes, you have to pasteurize manure which you can't do with cakes.  If you mix and match or modify TEKS you are no longer doing that tek, you're just gambling.

Also you can't do spores to LC, I promise that is contaminated.

You need to start simple with learning to work agar, and then transferring clean cultures from agar to grain.  No more of this shortcut stuff, and don't worry about LC until you're growing in large volume and have the grow skill/wisdom to do the very clean work you need for LC. 

LC is miles up the skill chain from agar, agar is THE basic skill of mycology. 

Start with agar.

Agar.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy]
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Auto-Summary
SkanskKorv is experiencing slow mycelium growth after 17 days when using pan cyan TTBVI and Shea25's pans, despite following a modified PF Tek with manure, verm, brf, and water. They suspect contamination and believe it may be due to the culture or grains. They ask when they should start over and express confusion about agar work. The editor advises starting with agar, as it is the basic skill of mycology, and warns against mixing and modifying tek, as well as attempting liquid culture with spores. They recommend starting with agar and gradually moving to grain work.

Mr Piggy said:
SkanskKorv said:
Jrey16 said:
SkanskKorv said:
When do I chuck my jars and start over? I still have no mycelium growth whatsoever after 17 days, I won't chuck them just now but I want to know how long is too long because I'd need the jars to try again. I was thinking 4 weeks before I throw em out judging from what I've read, or should I perhaps wait longer?

They're pan cyan TTBVI and I used Shea25's pans without a pc guide.




I have TTBVI on grains right now fully colonized ready to S2B. It took around 2 weeks to fully colonized. 17 days with no growth is too long. I would start over. I saw growth within the first day or 2. There is for sure something wrong with your culture or grains. Pretty sure it is the culture. Did you use LC or agar? I used agar. I've tried making LC before but that's harder in my experience. With agar you can see if the culture is clean or not.

Oh and I just noticed you said you didn't PC the grains? I tried that many times (broke boi tek) when I first started and it was always a fail. Once I got a PC (I bought the cheapest one) I finally started getting successful grows. All of the pictures in my signature are from my first ever grows.

I haven't grown pan cyan yet, I am still new to it. But it is more complicated than growing cubes imo. You need clean culture and make sure to sterilize your grains properly with the right moisture content in your grains. That is the key to success!




No agar or liquid culture, it's an ms syringe so I expected to to take a week or so to show any signs but even for spores this seems like an awful lot of time.

And I didn't use grain spawn, as I mentioned previously I made a modified pf tek with 1:1:1:1 manure, verm, brf and water bit I suspect it's a bit too wet.

I made an LC from the TTBVI spores a couple of days ago though so I'll be trying that but it feels like a big risk, I just don't feel experienced enough for agar and feel a tad confused over it. I guess it's time to learn though... Is there any simple guide for it?




Buddy, none of that is clean tek.  You can't just throw manure in cakes, you have to pasteurize manure which you can't do with cakes.  If you mix and match or modify TEKS you are no longer doing that tek, you're just gambling.

Also you can't do spores to LC, I promise that is contaminated.

You need to start simple with learning to work agar, and then transferring clean cultures from agar to grain.  No more of this shortcut stuff, and don't worry about LC until you're growing in large volume and have the grow skill/wisdom to do the very clean work you need for LC. 

LC is miles up the skill chain from agar, agar is THE basic skill of mycology. 

Start with agar.

Agar.



Mr Piggy said:
SkanskKorv said:
Jrey16 said:
SkanskKorv said:
When do I chuck my jars and start over? I still have no mycelium growth whatsoever after 17 days, I won't chuck them just now but I want to know how long is too long because I'd need the jars to try again. I was thinking 4 weeks before I throw em out judging from what I've read, or should I perhaps wait longer?

They're pan cyan TTBVI and I used Shea25's pans without a pc guide.




I have TTBVI on grains right now fully colonized ready to S2B. It took around 2 weeks to fully colonized. 17 days with no growth is too long. I would start over. I saw growth within the first day or 2. There is for sure something wrong with your culture or grains. Pretty sure it is the culture. Did you use LC or agar? I used agar. I've tried making LC before but that's harder in my experience. With agar you can see if the culture is clean or not.

Oh and I just noticed you said you didn't PC the grains? I tried that many times (broke boi tek) when I first started and it was always a fail. Once I got a PC (I bought the cheapest one) I finally started getting successful grows. All of the pictures in my signature are from my first ever grows.

I haven't grown pan cyan yet, I am still new to it. But it is more complicated than growing cubes imo. You need clean culture and make sure to sterilize your grains properly with the right moisture content in your grains. That is the key to success!




No agar or liquid culture, it's an ms syringe so I expected to to take a week or so to show any signs but even for spores this seems like an awful lot of time.

And I didn't use grain spawn, as I mentioned previously I made a modified pf tek with 1:1:1:1 manure, verm, brf and water bit I suspect it's a bit too wet.

I made an LC from the TTBVI spores a couple of days ago though so I'll be trying that but it feels like a big risk, I just don't feel experienced enough for agar and feel a tad confused over it. I guess it's time to learn though... Is there any simple guide for it?




Buddy, none of that is clean tek.  You can't just throw manure in cakes, you have to pasteurize manure which you can't do with cakes.  If you mix and match or modify TEKS you are no longer doing that tek, you're just gambling.

Also you can't do spores to LC, I promise that is contaminated.

You need to start simple with learning to work agar, and then transferring clean cultures from agar to grain.  No more of this shortcut stuff, and don't worry about LC until you're growing in large volume and have the grow skill/wisdom to do the very clean work you need for LC. 

LC is miles up the skill chain from agar, agar is THE basic skill of mycology. 

Start with agar.

Agar.



I followed the guide and sterilised them instead, all of this was a long shot but it was my only option at the moment I did it tbh.

And yeah LC is risky but you can't just say "that won't work" since I've made 2 B+ LCS which I've successfully grown 10 jars of so it can be done even if I had a lot of beginner's luck and it doesn't have to be contaminated even if the odds are against it. I guess I'll just have to wait and find out.

As I previously stated I will be doing agar work from now on instead and I just ordered dishes + lme and agar just after ordering a pc.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: SkanskKorv] * 1
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Can you have a look at my grain jars, please?

species: Psilocybe cubensis 'Wollongong'
grain: rye
chronic: germination of spores on agar (T0) --> agar (T1) --> agar (T2) --> agar (T3) --> LC --> grain
The jars were dry until 90 % of colonization.
After that they started to become more wet.
Is it like normal condensation or are the cultures bacterial?

jar 1:



jar 2:



jar 3:



jar 4:



jar 1-4:



Thank you in advance!

Psychedelicmind

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: psychedelicmind] * 2
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Send'em


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cronicr said:
Send'em



Thanks, cronicr. :smile:

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