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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Vegeta]
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I think some of us are more sensitive to it too. I have a lot of anxiety and it tends to express itself somatically through nausea even without mushrooms.

So, I don't think there's any alkaloid difference that makes pans less nauseating. I have certainly purged on them more than once.

But, when I do consume them dry, they are a lot easier on my stomach than cubes just because of the amount of dry mushrooms I have to eat with the latter.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Neuromantis]
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Neuromantis said:
Hi everyone my question is: does this look like yeast contam or can it just be grain bruising after B&S? Talking about the white spots on the berries of these 2 bags. they are only in this very small spot close to the colonized mycelium grains so im not sure.. first time growing too..









Yes that is yeast or something like it. It’s not what you want to see, at any rate


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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you think they are both contaminated so? getting a lot of mixed opinions on this, the white spots are only on a few berries that look already colonized and they didnt spread at all in the last 5 days. The two spots on the two bags look totally different, not sure if they are both just grain bruising or actually yeast. first pic the spots are thicker and mycelium around them appears thinner and wispier, 2nd pic white spots are very small and appear only on a few grains, mycelium looks normally thick like in the rest of the bag.


Edited by Neuromantis (04/01/25 09:21 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Neuromantis]
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It’s only on a few that you can see, yes. But that’s probably not all of it. It’s up to you if you want to try to get it to fruit. If so, I’d not break it up again. Let it do its thing and then fruit it as a block.

But if your question is “is this contaminated” the answer is 100% yes. That’s not in question.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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fair enough so you would say they are both contaminated with yeast?
What is the risk of putting them into fruiting? My plan was to use them to make some coco/verm tubs. I wouldnt want to waste the mycelium but i also dont want to risk ruining all of my future yields because of spreading contaminants around the house..

Is there a chance that by letting them sit 1 or 2 more weeks the mycelium will take over these contaminated spots or no chance bag will still be contaminated even if it fully colonize?

If it is contaminated with yeast what is the most likely cause for it? can it come from inside the bag even if it was properly sterilized?

Edited by Neuromantis (04/01/25 09:27 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Neuromantis] * 1
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It came from your inoculant or inoculation practice, most likely.

I would let it colonize and then try to fruit it as one piece. It is not a good idea to break it up and send it to bulk substrate. Yeasty spawn can still produce fruits.

Don’t worry about “exposing” your grow space to contamination. There’s yeast and trichoderma and pin mold spores in every breath you take. How do you think it got in the bag to begin with?

Just worry about getting that one to fruit IF that’s what you want to do. Personally, where I am in my practice, I would throw it away. But it’s not like you have a deadly pathogen on your hands. I’m not 100% on that being yeast tbh, but it’s not the dominant culture in your bag and I bet you can still get that to produce something if that’s worth your time.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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Thank you for your answer and time Hobbit :smile:
I am new in this and jumped straight to monotubs following suggestions from more experienced friends, so I don't know what you mean with fruit it as one piece? How is that done?

Yeah that's what my logic thinking was telling me too, these contaminants must be everywhere anyway otherwise they wouldnt be able to contaminate my bags in the first place, from my understanding if I manage to get clean spawn then i can also not worry too much of them when spawning to bulk sub as the mycelium should be strong enough to be able to fend off the molds and such?

I used Liquid culture from zamnesia to expand it in PCed honey solution jars as inoculant that looked very clean (lids were biomed lids with preinstalled syringe ptfe filters and SHIP) and inoculated in SAB spraying isopropyl and even bleach and flaming needle between each inoc (few first times i was even changing needle and syringe each inoculation)

I think my main issue is that its my first times and did many mistakes like handling the bags a lot and as a result a lot of air got pulled in and out of the filter patches. Plus the sealing machine i used was terrible and im pretty sure i had some very small holes in some of the seals..
crazy thing is all of the bags got contaminated but the Melmac monster ones with green trichoderma on top layer of grains and the b+ ones have these white spots on some grains..
only one that seem good is the last Melmac  i made that i didnt touch at all after inoculation and that seems to be doing very good, here is a pic: still didnt do Brake and shake, was considering doing it soon


Here i made a post with more details about my process and people seem to suggest the 2 b+ yeasty bags look healthy and almost ready to spawn. if you want to look at it
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=29175112&page=0&vc=1#29175112

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Neuromantis]
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Instead of breaking the bag of grain up and mixing with coir, you keep it in one piece and add some substrate over it. You can remove it from the bag entirely or you can open up the top of the bag and add coir. I’d probably just open the top of the bag.

You don’t have to worry about contamination from the environment when spawning to bulk. Contamination is going to come from your involvement, whether that’s a mistake in grain prep or inoculation. Tubs are made in open air. When you mix your grains and substrate together, you are adding bacteria and spores from your hands and air by the thousands. It’s not a problem or something to be concerned about.

I saw that other post. Those pictures show the same contamination.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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Well. That stupid “casing” mishap from before and the B+ at least pushed out some aborts. Some random pins elsewhere.

The top layer is only like 30% colonized though. Gonna let it runs its course at least.

I can’t find any newer data here though. Doesn’t the top layer need to be fully colonized as a sign of no contamination? Or do top layers just do what top layers do and don’t worry about it?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Splittinghairs]
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Noob here, what is this orange-ish contam on these plates and is there anything I can do to prevent it when putting MS syringes to agar? Some of my plates are clean but the majority seem to develop this same type of contam given enough time.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: raccoon_cat] * 3
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raccoon_cat said:
Noob here, what is this orange-ish contam on these plates and is there anything I can do to prevent it when putting MS syringes to agar? Some of my plates are clean but the majority seem to develop this same type of contam given enough time.


Looks like the myc eating the food coloring, my dude. Nothin to worry about, from what I can tell. 🤙


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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Ah, makes sense! Maybe I’ll leave the blue out of my next batch for to learn more better. Thanks!

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Neuromantis]
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@Neuromantis

Welcome to the shroomery! You've come to the right place. we're here to help you get where you need to go. If you want some really really good advice you should check out The Hitchhiker's Guide to this sroomery. it's in my signature and and a lot of other members on here.

I read your post and in my opinion you're starting way ahead of yourself. And therefore making lots of mistakes.. not to worry though we've all been there and done that.

Read through that Hitchhiker's Guide once or twice really well.

The best advice I can give you right now though is forget about making bags and doing monos. Start with PF Tek. 

Learn the process that way. You don't have to worry about so much contamination when you're such a noob. You can get mushrooms easily this way.

Also I recommend before doing Monos give shoe boxes a try and maybe make your grain inside of jars instead of bags it's a lot easier to do. especially inside of a sab. And especially until you get better at sterile/aseptic practices..

You're going to do well as long as you listen to all the good people here. Good luck!!!

PS. Smelly Hobbit gave you  great advice on what to actually do with that bag.(top fruiting) if you're wanting to fruit it. so definitely follow that advice as well


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Edited by callmehippie (04/01/25 05:49 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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Just cause I am curious.

Why are grow bags pushed so heavily? Is it some sort of marketing thing?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Splittinghairs]
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Splittinghairs said:
Just cause I am curious.

Why are grow bags pushed so heavily? Is it some sort of marketing thing?


money

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Splittinghairs] * 2
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Splittinghairs said:
Just cause I am curious.

Why are grow bags pushed so heavily? Is it some sort of marketing thing?


It would cost me $1.30 in grain and then idk how much for a bag to make a 5lb grow bag. Let’s say a bag is a $1. I don’t know. $2.30 in material for a 5lb bag of prepped grain.

How much do they sell for? Like $20 if they throw in a quart or 2 of coir?

That’s why.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Splittinghairs] * 1
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Splittinghairs said:
Just cause I am curious.

Why are grow bags pushed so heavily? Is it some sort of marketing thing?


It is exactly a marketing BS thing. Don't make purchase decisions based on what the advertising says.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tree frog] * 2
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tree frog said:
Vegeta said:
Anyone noticed less nausea when dosing with pans or ovoids compared to cubes?


I've never eaten ovoids.  Pans are very potent, so if you're eating them rather than making tea or gummies, you're consuming less chitin.

Which contributes to the nausea.  Or less nausea in this case.

That said, I still occasionally purge on pans. Especially if I don't make tea and I'm already feeling emotional about other things.


I never got nausea from ovoids, but I never got it from anything until recently.  I found ovoids to be very friendly and social.  I was more able to speak with other people while on them and enjoy their presence.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Splittinghairs] * 1
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Bags are actually great. As long as you buy the Grain and bag and PC it all yourself. Which is mere fractions of the cost of a vendor bag..

and as long If you have the proper equipment like a Flowood or ffu preferably cause it way less complicated.  although a Sab can be used it's just a pain in the ass.


So once you have the proper experience and all the proper equipment and everything. Then I would definitely be using bags over jars.

Simply for the fact that it takes like four or five jars to equal one 5 lb bag so you can get a lot more done and utilize a lot more space in the PC. When using bags.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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LOL did I miss the memo? Why does  everybody got a tree frog Avatar like our buddy  @tree frog?


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