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I haven't measured the pH on it yet but it looks like they didn't have to adjust it in the paper.  And of course it's going to take some time to figure out the ratios, they weren't using much in the way of castings and I think I overshot mine in comparison to their pictures.

What's interesting is I've read studies using these by themselves, and neither did as well as peat.  But it looks like when they're combined they do just as well without requiring us to use calcium hydroxide.

Have some jars that should be ready in the next week.  Once I have some results I will post an update.

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kingboomer said:

astra said:

kingboomer said:

astra said:

Let's read the last 20~30 pages of this thread, dear... Take that as friendly homework to give you a head start with troubleshooting

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Hey would you be a dear and post your Blue Helix links again?  I'm having trouble finding em.


-Kingboomer

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26836048/fpart/all
Its one of my favorites to this date. There's 60 pages worth of posts, massive pyramid of knowledge...i could read all day everyday into the twilight hour. That's how much i loved him and the craft

Reading is LIFE

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Many thanks!  I definitely love a heavy read, this looks right up my alley!


-Kingboomer

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Holy mackerel!  Got about 30 messages overnight and now i’m gonna grab those envelopes and get them ready. That’ll keep me busy for a bit lol 

kingboomer said:

Yeah after reading that I wish they put their ratios up, I might have missed it.  I do think perlite would be excellent for structure.  They should have gave us their recipes damnit!😁



-Kingboomer

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'During the creating of doses of vermicompost, recommended application doses in vegetables were taken as a reference from square of meter...

... solid vermicompost 2 (S2) 732g m-2'

That's the ratio, but I don't really understand what they mean.  Like is that how much perlite you would use in a square meter of vegetables or a square meter of perlite?  But this 732g to m sq is the one that did the best.

It probably doesn't help that the paper is translated from Arabic I believe.

Scratch that I got it, that's how much Vermacompost they are using per square meter of mushroom bed.  As that is the type of measurement that mushroom farm would use.  Whatever is left is the perlite.

I will start with what I have prepped and then work my way back with more perlite as I dial it in.

fahtster said:

Pulled this first flush of 3 MiB clone trays.  Pretty happy with em considering what they went through.. they were all overlaid on top so I flipped em and cased the bottoms.  Then I had to make room in the main jcm so two went into a single air stone 16qt tub and one went to a ziplock.  Ik Ms is preferred by most but I like the idea of consistency with active content so I don’t get surprised by a super heavy trip on equal doses (happened recently) so I’m going to continue to figure this clone out.  I’ve got a good plan going forward

I’m actually happy they overlaid because I found out you can fruit a flipped pan tray and it forced me to find out how to fix overlay early on. 


1qt of spawn was split between the 3 trays.  Hoping for a nice second flush

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Oh no, please don't think you won't be able to grab a decent contender worthy of fahtcloning.. My point was simply because i've done it too many times and ultimately my clone cultures will eventually crap out and behave mega weird. Plenty of seasoned pan growers i know have been able to get very decent clones and remember that one of a kind hybrid (crossing different pan species) like Jake's NecD and PHV among others. On the other hand, a lot of people enjoy the entertainment that's typical of MS cultures and play along with it. As for consistency in doses, when it comes to pans, if you're the sensitive type you're better off dehydrating and mixing well for a more homogenous result.

30 grams wet would be like 3g dry if they were cubes but these are very unpredictable when taken fresh, its more of a gamble.. i've had 35 grams wet that felt like i took 300 grams dry of RustyWhyte..ethereal as if i was inside someone's server. Another time i took 79g fresh made into 'amish wine' and i was walking around my house, smiling to the cats like i was floating on cloud...felt dream-like but both experiences far from terrifying and none of them were TTBVI. MiB has BVI on it so keep that in mind when dosing. Shit can go south pretty quick with them, don't let them blind you into submission, if shit gets too crazy, open your eyes, sit down and breathe while contemplating the beauty of your room turning fractal.
There is absolutely nothing you couldn't do, i believe in you. I'm just lazy, fat and super old..and i'm missing teeth too so i look like a goat but hey, as long as we keep growing, we keep strong, mang ily bro

fahtster said:

Pulled this first flush of 3 MiB clone trays.  Pretty happy with em considering what they went through.. they were all overlaid on top so I flipped em and cased the bottoms.  Then I had to make room in the main jcm so two went into a single air stone 16qt tub and one went to a ziplock.  Ik Ms is preferred by most but I like the idea of consistency with active content so I don’t get surprised by a super heavy trip on equal doses (happened recently) so I’m going to continue to figure this clone out.  I’ve got a good plan going forward

I’m actually happy they overlaid because I found out you can fruit a flipped pan tray and it forced me to find out how to fix overlay early on. 


1qt of spawn was split between the 3 trays.  Hoping for a nice second flush

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Faht i keep staring at your pictures and man its like..the last one with the red bowl is exuding Alan's dna magically and it feels mesmerizing to see his kindred spirit represented by your fruits. They're mind blowing beautiful

Baba Yaga said:

Yeah, those Burringbar of yours are looking like they got the pip for some reason. Too wet might have gotten them into an issue with bacteria? I said it before but I think an adverse reaction to misting is more contam related rather than a genetic issue. My reasoning for this assumption is that pans are being fast colonizers and I feel like although they are occupying the substrate very fast, any underlying contam is going to creep up slowly making effects of contamination more subtle and express differently than with other slower species. Well, all just gut feelings on the topic. In relation to this I have to say that the trend I see a bit more of lately to send MS as early as possible to preserve genetic diversity is not always doing one the favour they are looking for.

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