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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra] * 1
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Quote:
Overlay is continued vegetative growth of mycelium in and over the casing. It can be caused by failure to initiate pinning early enough and/or not flushing hard enough (e.g. temperature and CO2 left ‘too high’ for ‘too long’). Stroma is a genetic malfunction in a spawn culture that is sometimes triggered by an environmental factor.


So yes while it is genetic, and doesn't show up in all cultures, the malfunction only is triggered by environmental conditions in others that are predisposed to it.

Saying that something is purely environmental or purely genetic, is the nature versus nurture debate. And it's rarely just one or the other.


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I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra] * 5
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In order to keep honoring my latest giveaway 'Daytona Beach Hooker w/o Teeth' celebrating Ostara and the balance of darkness and light, I will continue offering single redhead Ladies still waiting to meet their new Johns to make their night worthwhile. The first printing was garbage in terms of spore load quality, sadly. I printed every wave (best looking caps/faces) for a total of 6 times. The prints taken went a little over 200 but frankly, i'd like to offer 100 just to make sure the ones i'm giving away are decent this time..Frankly i haven't done this massive printing since Nats (now Ochras) back in Autumn of '22 before they were found to be a different species lol (gave away around 300+ in less than 2 years while on the forum discord server, RIP). So feel free to dm me your postal address so i can send you that much needed lapdance in red color. Will ship worldwide except Russia or any other unfortunate nation banned from postal service/delivery by shithole japan (war/conflict related horseshit.. bleh):heart::heart:




:loveheart::nicesmile:

ps,
For those who got my first batch of MiB RS that were pretty faint imho, feel free to let me know so i can send you a new, much better looking one and apologies, only 2 small hands working as hard as possible. Enjoy and goodnight :hug:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Sorry if this is a dumb question.  I've spent hours reading, but can't find a clear answer.

It's te first time I'll be fruiting Pans (TTBVI) in trays in a martha rather then using Baba Yaga's tubs tek.  I spawned to bulk yesterday.  If it was tubs, I'd minimise FAE until they colonised enough for the casing layer & I'm guessing I need to achieve the same with the trays?

Do you guys cover the trays in clingfilm?  If not, is minimal FAE actually required, and if so, howw do you achieve it?

Many thanks


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Janus62] * 3
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When you have questions and it turns out the answers are already there, in the previous comments by the experts :smile:

Thanks guys, you're awesome!



Had all of the issues discussed above. Overlay, humidity too high, etc

This is my first Pan Cyan (ttbvi) tray in years. And it's in a automated tubs system that I built and still figuring out how to optimally operate.

Just to see what would happen I cased one half at spawn and the other at full overlay :smile: The side that was cased later is much faster, I notice.

Edit: must be tripping. I remember now recased the slower half bc the casing was all covered in overlay on the same day I did the other half.


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Edited by Tweeq (03/25/25 09:29 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra] * 1
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astra said:
kingboomer said:
astra said:
Let's read the last 20~30 pages of this thread, dear... Take that as friendly homework to give you a head start with troubleshooting :heart::heart:



Hey would you be a dear and post your Blue Helix links again?  I'm having trouble finding em.


-Kingboomer


https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26836048/fpart/all
Its one of my favorites to this date. There's 60 pages worth of posts, massive pyramid of knowledge...i could read all day everyday into the twilight hour. That's how much i loved him and the craft :heart::heart:

Reading is LIFE
:nicesmile::hug:




Many thanks!  I definitely love a heavy read, this looks right up my alley!


-Kingboomer


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-Captain Spaulding

Back in business - ICBM 2.0
Cake wars III

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kingboomer] * 3
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This is my last pan tray. These jars colonized for an extra week and I left the lid on the tray for 3 days instead of leaving it off.



To my untrained eyes, the mycelium looks healthier than before. Curious if it ends up overlaying. Still have lots to learn.


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I'm like the best dressed guy at the nude beach
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 4
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UPDATE


popped the lid on my PMP and set it on the handles, trying to see if I can get a little more evaporation from the cake.  I haven't had to add water yet, this things been recycling it pretty good lol.




After I did that I saw little water beads pop up on the cake, so something's happening:




Best pic I got.  Let's see what happens!


-Kingboomer


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I'm just a clown dancing to the sins of mankind.

-Captain Spaulding

Back in business - ICBM 2.0
Cake wars III

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kingboomer] * 9
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First promising tub. 48 hours after 1:4 s2b. MiB germ plate.



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A Love Letter to New Growers
The 7 Edicts of Mushroom Cultivation as Decreed by Smellyhobbit

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Anyone can get a canopy. But can you get what you want?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kingboomer] * 4
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Just for reference here's the hole placement, it looks the same on both sides:





-Kingboomer


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-Captain Spaulding

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kingboomer] * 3
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Damn those holes are clean!

Melted?  Or really nice drill bit?

Also I found something pretty cool today that I'm going to give a try.

Perlite + vermicompost casing.

https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/article-file/1881606

It did as well as their peat control.  I have a couple of bags prepped for pasteurization and more ready I will run unpasteurized.

It's store bought castings, so it's likely pretreated.

I haven't measured the pH on it yet but it looks like they didn't have to adjust it in the paper.  And of course it's going to take some time to figure out the ratios, they weren't using much in the way of castings and I think I overshot mine in comparison to their pictures.

What's interesting is I've read studies using these by themselves, and neither did as well as peat.  But it looks like when they're combined they do just as well without requiring us to use calcium hydroxide.

Have some jars that should be ready in the next week.  Once I have some results I will post an update.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 2
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tree frog said:
Damn those holes are clean!

Melted?  Or really nice drill bit?

Also I found something pretty cool today that I'm going to give a try.

Perlite + vermicompost casing.

https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/article-file/1881606

It did as well as their peat control.  I have a couple of bags prepped for pasteurization and more ready I will run unpasteurized.

It's store bought castings, so it's likely pretreated.

I haven't measured the pH on it yet but it looks like they didn't have to adjust it in the paper.  And of course it's going to take some time to figure out the ratios, they weren't using much in the way of castings and I think I overshot mine in comparison to their pictures.

What's interesting is I've read studies using these by themselves, and neither did as well as peat.  But it looks like when they're combined they do just as well without requiring us to use calcium hydroxide.

Have some jars that should be ready in the next week.  Once I have some results I will post an update.



Melted.  I always crack a tub when using a drill, this works much better.








Spare 1/4 inch punch, a pair of vise grips and a gas stove, job done!


-Kingboomer


P.S.
If the ladies don't find ya handsome, they better find ya handy!

-Red Green


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I'm just a clown dancing to the sins of mankind.

-Captain Spaulding

Back in business - ICBM 2.0
Cake wars III

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 2
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Oh and please keep us posted on the experiment!


-Kingboomer


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-Captain Spaulding

Back in business - ICBM 2.0
Cake wars III

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kingboomer]
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If you had to choose between a JCM chamber and a DIY martha tent, which one would you go for? I usually don’t run a lot of trays—just 2-3 small ones at most, which would be enough for me. I'm looking for something that's more of a 'set it and forget it' setup, without too much tinkering, adjustments, or high expenses.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MalluShroomer] * 1
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MalluShroomer said:
If you had to choose between a JCM chamber and a DIY martha tent, which one would you go for? I usually don’t run a lot of trays—just 2-3 small ones at most, which would be enough for me. I'm looking for something that's more of a 'set it and forget it' setup, without too much tinkering, adjustments, or high expenses.


Dreamer Tub


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Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MalluShroomer] * 1
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MalluShroomer said:
If you had to choose between a JCM chamber and a DIY martha tent, which one would you go for? I usually don’t run a lot of trays—just 2-3 small ones at most, which would be enough for me. I'm looking for something that's more of a 'set it and forget it' setup, without too much tinkering, adjustments, or high expenses.



I've ran both in the past, a tent is a lot more maintenance than a JCM in my experience (I'm running an old-school PMP for what it's worth).


-Kingboomer


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I'm just a clown dancing to the sins of mankind.

-Captain Spaulding

Back in business - ICBM 2.0
Cake wars III

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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Yeah, the dreamer tub is what I would recommend too.  I've seen a lot of amazing exotic grows in those. Not just pans but a number of different species.

I did the JCM when I got started and eventually converted it into a tent.

But those little dreamer totes are nice.  Maybe someday I will build some and turn my little tent into a weed tent.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
Yeah, the dreamer tub is what I would recommend too.  I've seen a lot of amazing exotic grows in those. Not just pans but a number of different species.

I did the JCM when I got started and eventually converted it into a tent.

But those little dreamer totes are nice.  Maybe someday I will build some and turn my little tent into a weed tent.


The JCM seems much easier to set up, while the Dreamer Tub looks like it requires a lot more effort. With the JCM, all you need is a good pump, a few stones, and you're set. I wouldn’t need a heater since my ambient temperature stays between 70-85°F year-round. Am I overlooking anything? I tried a makeshift setup with a humidifier and a fan, but I realized it requires a lot more tinkering


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 3
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I only need 1 dreamer tub at the moment and decided to skip the controller, instead I bought a fogger with controller built in. I have TTBVI colonizing grain and can't wait to try it.






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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MalluShroomer]
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It's a little confusing, but what you're referring to is more of a bubbler tray.  Which can definitely work well too if you want something easy to setup.

The full jcm is a bit harder to dial in.  Condensation and dripping can be an issue.  But they are great for environments where you do need to raise the temperature, as they generally include a ln aquarium heater (hence the condensation issues).

The dreamer tub is a lot more work to build, and wasn't a design that was around when I built my JCM. That said, from what I have seen of them, they are easier to dial in. So you are trading initial setup for less headache later on and ultimately better fruits across a wider spectrum of growing conditions.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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I think I get it now—that's what I was trying to ask. If dialing in the Dreamer Tub is easier, then it makes sense. I don’t mind the initial effort, and it doesn’t seem too difficult. I can channel humidity into the tub and set up a fan for FAE at tray level, which seems totally doable.

If I may ask again, do we run the humidifier until the humidity reaches 95% and then stop it until it drops to the 80s? And should the fan run full-time at the lowest setting? I'm planning to grow Pan Cyan.


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