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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: dopesauce]
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dopesauce said:
just posted but id love a quick answer. thank you in advance!

Is there any reason one couldn't use a 84% boveda pack in a monotub beside the liner for fruiting? It sounds like a pretty easy way to get the humidity to stay at a consistent level for the entire fruiting process. they are used to hydrate new humidors, safe to touch cigars, but wouldn't want it touching the substrate

vs: having a hydro meter in each tub connected to a misting system,
or: opening the lids each day to mist multiple times.



None of these things are necessary, a monotub is a self regulated passive fruiting chamber.

Bovidea packs are not for cultivation.  Besides the fact 84% is way too low, a tub should be maintaining humidity and FAE through its design and the proper preparation of the substrate in it.  At no point are automation or other such "regulators" going to help a mono tub, but they are likely to make it worse.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy] * 9
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I really, really, really, REALLY wish newbies would stop thinking that LC is a necessary part of cult.  LC is not for beginners.

Agar is the way.

Agar > Grain > Spawn.

You don't need anything more than this unless you are growing in BULK.

Lc is more likely to make things screw up than work better or faster for a new cultivator.  First focus on what clean cultures look like on plates and grain, then move on to LC.  Building cult skills is a skill flow chart, not an all at once thing.

Hey, that would be a helpful graphic!  A learning/work flow chart for what skills are required to learn more advanced skills.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy] * 5
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Sounds familiar.

Quote:
When first starting out I advise you resist the urge to buy or use liquid culture for the following reasons. Don't use LC until you have all of the lead up techniques including the ability to produce reliably clean spawn nailed down. Stay as far from LC as possible until then, otherwise you'll be chasing variables and failures forever.

Each skill builds upon the next.

1. Spores to agar to produce culture; cleaning to produce pure culture, making transfers, and agar to grain.

This step will familiarize you with the fungal life cycle and introduce you to the basics of identification for both contamination and healthy mycelium. During this phase you'll learn how to reliably produce clean cultures and sterilize both grains and media.

Once these skills are mastered, move to skillset #2

2. Grain to grain expansion.

This step expands upon the previous production phase by introducing how to expand your pure culture exponentially. This is a more advanced stage dealing with inoculation techniques and aseptic techniques which will prepare you for the next step:

3. Liquid inoculant/liquid culture.

Liquids will not work for you if you haven't learned to identify pure culture, contamination, or prepare sterile media which was learned way back in step one. Liquids won't work for you if you don't understand/master the aseptic techniques required for expansion.

Walk before you run, otherwise there's too many variables to troubleshoot. Each phase carries it's own set of criteria for troubleshooting problems, if you skip them, you're going to be fucked.



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy] * 3
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lc sellers have psyopped the masses

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: dopesauce]
    #29162788 -

dopesauce said:
just posted but id love a quick answer. thank you in advance!

Is there any reason one couldn't use a 84% boveda pack in a monotub beside the liner for fruiting? It sounds like a pretty easy way to get the humidity to stay at a consistent level for the entire fruiting process. they are used to hydrate new humidors, safe to touch cigars, but wouldn't want it touching the substrate

vs: having a hydro meter in each tub connected to a misting system,
or: opening the lids each day to mist multiple times.



there is a guy on youtube called ed grand (I think?) that uses baby diapers like this.  seems stupid to me when instead of a diaper you could just properly hydrate your substrate and dial in your FAE so you dont need extra shit in there sinking water and waiting to be a bacterial breeding ground.  outside of some light periodic misting, if you're having to do anything to hydrate or maintain hydration in a cake prior to a second flush, you've done something wrong.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: dinosaurs] * 1
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Why not just throw some wet blankets on the floor amd call it a day :shrug::facepalm3:

I call the tek "the grand design."

You're welcome, internet.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
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if you shit in it first you can use it to grow pans. :wink:

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 2
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Stipe-n Cap said:
Sounds familiar.

Quote:
When first starting out I advise you resist the urge to buy or use liquid culture for the following reasons. Don't use LC until you have all of the lead up techniques including the ability to produce reliably clean spawn nailed down. Stay as far from LC as possible until then, otherwise you'll be chasing variables and failures forever.

Each skill builds upon the next.

1. Spores to agar to produce culture; cleaning to produce pure culture, making transfers, and agar to grain.

This step will familiarize you with the fungal life cycle and introduce you to the basics of identification for both contamination and healthy mycelium. During this phase you'll learn how to reliably produce clean cultures and sterilize both grains and media.

Once these skills are mastered, move to skillset #2

2. Grain to grain expansion.

This step expands upon the previous production phase by introducing how to expand your pure culture exponentially. This is a more advanced stage dealing with inoculation techniques and aseptic techniques which will prepare you for the next step:

3. Liquid inoculant/liquid culture.

Liquids will not work for you if you haven't learned to identify pure culture, contamination, or prepare sterile media which was learned way back in step one. Liquids won't work for you if you don't understand/master the aseptic techniques required for expansion.

Walk before you run, otherwise there's too many variables to troubleshoot. Each phase carries it's own set of criteria for troubleshooting problems, if you skip them, you're going to be fucked.



https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28188696#28188696




Yes, but that is well written, comprehensive, and supported.  The people I'm talking about aren't likely to read that.  I mean a simple flow chart graphic, something I can plop on the table and walk away.

Most people like the books that are mainly pictures...


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Smellyhobbit said:
"Wiping a needle with isopropyl after flame sterilization is like shitting after you wipe your ass."

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
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I think it really comes down to the carrot that youtube channels and vendors keep dangling in front of new growers, that LC syringes can cut the time it takes for your jar to reach 100% colonization by a significant amount.

To me it is as simple as a lot of impatient minded folks who really purely want to grow shrooms for no reason other than to trip and believe if they can cut two weeks out of this painful wait it'll be worth it, including extra cost or risk.

Even with the great posts by Stipe or the right to the point succinctness of MrPiggy can't cut through such desires :frown:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: catnip40]
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catnip40 said:
lc sellers have psyopped the masses




Soo true.  It seems like every one and their mother wants know about LC, nor do they heed the advice once given.


@QZ

That is what the internet generation is all about, impatience!

Edited by LewDoja (03/19/25 02:45 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LewDoja] * 4
    #29162828 -

Flowchart:

Do you want to grow mushrooms? -> Yes -> LC -> 🍄‍🟫

And it’s just that easy.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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Hi guys, these are two tubs that are 14 days in since adding spawn. Do they look OK? These are my first. This is Coco coir pasteurized and hydrated to field capacity with Pink buffalo. I'd welcome any hints or tips at this point!






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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 3
    #29162842 -

Smellyhobbit said:
Flowchart:

Do you want to grow mushrooms? -> Yes -> LC -> 🍄‍🟫

And it’s just that easy.



If you're licking coochie and growing mushrooms, your girl should probably see a doctor.

That's what LC stands for right? I don't see why you guys are so opposed to it


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LewDoja]
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LewDoja said:
Soo true.  It seems like every one and their mother wants know about LC, nor do they heed the advice once given.


@QZ

That is what the internet generation is all about, impatience!



I dunno my guy, I see the exact same behavior from all generations.  We’re just old and grumpy now :lol:

I’m just real confused when guy selling me things became an unbiased information source :confused:

I think one of the great truths about people is we do not fundamentally change, especially in a generation.  The general mold has been the same for millennia.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: QuantumZ00]
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speaking as someone that is experienced but by no means an expert, the appeal to LC over MSS was known genetics and reliability.  when I was going MSS to grain, each tub had a different temperament and going LC not only sped things up a lot but it homogenized the grow.

I was buying my MSS from something akin to a head shop and my germination rates varied between 10-80% with around 1 month colonization and going to LC syringes pushed germination to 100% and colonization down to 2 weeks.  I ran 3 syringes worth of jars and tubs off MSS, then switched to LC to grain while I was learning agar in parallel. 

just providing some noobish perspective for those that might not understand the appeal to someone ramping up their knowledge base.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: dinosaurs] * 4
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That’s because LC doesn’t germinate. It’s living tissue.

I use LC primarily to hunt for genes. I always have a wider genetic expression via LC than a plate, even a clone plate vs a sample from that same clone going to broth. LC is, after all, 3D agar. Sectoring goings 360° from each little globule. Lots of expression to choose from. Great tool for pheno hunting.

Doesn’t hurt if you want to easily and quickly inoculate 15 jars, too.

But I don’t make LC without clean agar. That would be wacky.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 5
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9/10 maybe even 10/10 LC sellers are just buying LC and multiplying it to sell it not ever have grown it out

LC duplication glitch turn 10ml into 1 million ml

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
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Smellyhobbit said:
That’s because LC doesn’t germinate. It’s living tissue.

I use LC primarily to hunt for genes. I always have a wider genetic expression via LC than a plate, even a clone plate vs a sample from that same clone going to broth. LC is, after all, 3D agar. Sectoring goings 360° from each little globule. Lots of expression to choose from. Great tool for pheno hunting.

Doesn’t hurt if you want to easily and quickly inoculate 15 jars, too.

But I don’t make LC without clean agar. That would be wacky.



Smellyhobbit said:
That’s because LC doesn’t germinate. It’s living tissue.

I use LC primarily to hunt for genes. I always have a wider genetic expression via LC than a plate, even a clone plate vs a sample from that same clone going to broth. LC is, after all, 3D agar. Sectoring goings 360° from each little globule. Lots of expression to choose from. Great tool for pheno hunting.

Doesn’t hurt if you want to easily and quickly inoculate 15 jars, too.

But I don’t make LC without clean agar. That would be wacky.




this is good info and I appreciate the perspective.  you and i are mostly on the same page here but there's a few things that you mention that I need to level up on.

its funny, I feel like almost everyone starts on MSS and eventually, when they learn agar etc, come back to MSS once they know how to identify weird shit and know how to reproduce it.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stagger]
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stagger said:
KlarnEvil9 said:
Done. 37g fresh including 2 blobs.



Enjoy!:aweyeah:



I had to be responsible last night, so those went on to dry. But today, I harvested both tubs @ 140-ish grams wet. Minus 25 that went into this tea I'm drinking.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: KlarnEvil9]
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Is this bruising or contam? APE spawned on 3/1, I did not LIFTA. (I know, shame on me) the middle of the sub had minor pooling of water that I soaked up with a tissue but the corners were very dry ( I tried misting the corners). The opposite corner to this one is developing the same blueing.



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