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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 4
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IWL on spelt, L shaken a week ago at 60%, R shaken at 50% three days ago.



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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
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I gave it a read when I first found shroomery i’ll def give it another go, I think my main problem is condensation I tried Turing them upside down but that didn’t work

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mellowyello] * 2
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If they turn bacterial, it's your clean work. Condensation can be mitigated by stacking the plates directly after pouring and putting like a hot mug of tea on top. All condensation will be on the sides of your plates.
But it's not the cause of contams. Do a few dry runs in the SAB and watch your hands. Imagine everytime you hover over a plate, an open media bottle or whatever, game over. Every sudden movement, game over. Everything you drop or accidentally touch, it's out. Make sure you don't have to reach for stuff, or shove things aside to reach something. SAB work is slow, but steady, and really mindful about how dirty you are.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 1
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Stipe, I get your point viz inoculation points. Purely speaking in terms of speed, grain -> hwfp -> end substrate must be unbeatable. Personally I prefer just plain chips. But that's solely because they are more robust. They won't dry out or flush off nearly as fast. Never clog anything or restrict air flow to the heart of a sub. They aren't a means of inoculation, they're just substrate. And that means I can just drop them in a pile of chips and not worry about weather / watering. Convenient and reliable.
So I don't get why you'd describe sterilizing chips as a waste of time. Considering otherwise it'd be hwfp bags in that PC. Those bags might take off faster in a patch, but in the end it's roughly the same amount of calories being made available through the process. For real 'fast' fructification you'd need to up the percentage of spawn anyways.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 3
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I read fiddle heads agar tek and imma give it a try, yall gave great advice thank you very much

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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What if said mycelium already produced fruits a season prior? And you instead take some of that and expand it to more chips and make another bed with that DNA?


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Edited by cybesa (01/27/25 06:28 PM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle]
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Churpee Choozle said:
So I don't get why you'd describe sterilizing chips as a waste of time. Considering otherwise it'd be hwfp bags in that PC. Those bags might take off faster in a patch, but in the end it's roughly the same amount of calories being made available through the process. For real 'fast' fructification you'd need to up the percentage of spawn anyways.


Because hwfp don't require sterilization. They're hydrated with boiled water in the exact same manner one would with coir, except the hwfp are in a 3t bag and not a bucket. Hwfp are by far the cleanest wood source available, that I'm aware of.

Hwfp don't clog or otherwise limit anything.

cybesa said:
What if said mycelium already produced fruits a season prior? And you instead take some of that and expand it to more chips and make another bed with that DNA?


What if I said: How about documenting a flush this way before arguing about it endlessly.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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I was wondering about whether the fact that mycelium that fruited before in someone else's beds is a way of it having proved itself of the capability of fruition, and if we are looking at genetics only, is there any reason why it couldn't recreate that in another bed if the substrate was the same? :shocked:

(From an aspect of genetics only)


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa]
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I guess there's only one way to find out...

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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I guess I thought you had personal experience in it since you've kept replying to the question.. nevermind. :tongue:

Regardless, it seems direct fruit cloning seems like the best way to reproduce fruit bearing genetics - I'm just trying to think of reasons why mycelium "cloning" wouldn't work in the same way (unless its from the first couple transfers of a MS culture) the same as fruit cloning does.. :thinker:


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Edited by cybesa (01/27/25 07:28 PM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa]
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A clone is a clone. What you're describing is a clone. Pretty passive-aggressive way to suggest I don't know what I'm talking about. Interesting tactic. The answer remains the same: Get a flush first, report back.

People transfer mycelium, including stem butts, from actively fruiting beds all the time. It's a pretty effective way to expand, but it's not fool proof.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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I'm not here for any of that! Haha :wink:
No "passive aggressivity" or anything, you just came off slightly rude by suggesting multiple times "go find out" when I was asking about something very specific. Obviously I am going to continue to experiment with these beds regardless of your answer because I do want to find out.

I'm just looking for the best way to go about it. TweeQ asked if I worked with a clone - and that got me thinking: a clone of a direct fruit? Or even a "clone" of a bed that fruited already but I'm not taking a chunk of the fruit tissue itself, just the underground, pre-reorganized mycelium? :takingnotes:

And of course Coir in an outside woodlover bed is a really hot topic after talking to Van Hatton. I honestly am really curious because his is the only coir bed I saw, the other great grows all use various hardwood mulches, sawdust, and maybe some straw other than usual forest debrs - but at the same time, his is the best woodlover canopy I have ever seen, too! :sporedrop:

And there are mixed answers - some saying its a bad idea, just use woodchips, others saying the extra moisture is a good idea and can help with a huge canopy as we saw.. It is just so much information and personal experiences - and don't get me wrong: I love every bit of it. :grin::inlove3:

Edited by cybesa (01/27/25 09:00 PM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa]
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Coir shouldn't be a hot topic. It holds lots of water and is made up of cellulose, lignin, and hemicellulose.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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That's what I think too, and it was proven: But there were also so many answers here suggesting the opposite by other highly experienced growers, it just has me thinking why it's not used more if it has such potential: I guess Van Hatton's bed details were never publicly discussed, I had to personally track him down to get details because that bed really motivates me. :amanita2:


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Edited by cybesa (01/27/25 09:06 PM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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Woodlovers eat burlap sac very well it won't last long though I've had azzies eat it outside so I had to leave it , I no longer cover patches with weird shit just dry fallen leaves.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: rhizoRider] * 1
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BTW anyone wants a stash but you don't need vanhatton canopy 20sq foot for stash it's of coarse bad ass but it's the only one to be shown so do your best and report with pics. Gunna take lots patience 4sure


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: rhizoRider] * 2
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I’m still a fan of lilolme’s cyan grow.  Simple, sticks to basics, produced like a fucking monster.


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Smellyhobbit said:
"Wiping a needle with isopropyl after flame sterilization is like shitting after you wipe your ass."

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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Thanks, that changes the equation. It's not sterilized because a jar of spawn will take it over fast enough and it goed directly outside after 100%?
I only used it once for rugosoannulata, (sterilized it) and wasn't really convinced.

So it requires no PC. You sacrifice options like shaking a jar or easily expanding it in the SAB, but you get a final product that gives more inoc points. Kinda like pf style vs whole grains.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
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I loved that one too! Crazy quantities despite such simple measures.. beds right by the wall near trees on the damp floor at a small hillside, no wonder it produced like crazy! :lol:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa] * 5
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Cyans produce like crazy, that's what they do.

It's becoming disconcerting that nearly every post I make to this forum is recieved with doubt and/or arguments. I don't see how hwfp is considered complicated. I mean, it's the equivalent of woodlover bucket tek. Cyan beds are the easiest beds I've ever made. They take less care and attention than Pleurotus ostreatus beds.

Hwfp are a go to substrate in the gourmet world. You can fruit many gourmet species straight from these 5lb blocks without the requirement for sterilization.

5 cups hwfp, 1250ml hot h20 to expand in 3t spawn bag; Inoculate with 1 qt jar of spawn.

This recipe produces an awful lot of sawdust spawn quickly, and without the requirement for running your PC.  All of my outfoor beds are made this way, for every wood decomposing species.

Expanded hwfp in 3t bags:



Pleurotus fruited from one of the above bags, indoors:



A cluster from an outdoor bed:



Wild poplar fruitimg from the same style blocks:



Black pearl oyster fruiting:




I no longer have many pics of my active grows, and for good reason. I do have some gourmwt photos. Cyans are no different. They will tear through these bags and through whatever beds you spawn them to. My beds are cold pasteurized hardwood chips. Either using a 1 week soak in a 55gal drum, or with lime. Either works great.

This is how I made my beds, the same applies to actives:

https://www.milkwood.net/2013/07/10/making-a-wood-chip-mushroom-garden/


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