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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: rhizoRider]
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In the spring I'm going to be making some garden beds. My wife wants to grow Tomatoes, Cucumbers, Beans, and Peas. I'm going to build 'A' frames for those to grow on, and I'm planting Wood Lovers in the space between the A. The vegetables grow up, and the mushrooms grow in the shade.

I live in Northern Alberta. I'm hoping a thick layer of straw will keep the woodlover beds alive through the winter. It works for strawberries. Worst case scenario I have to replant each year.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: rhizoRider] * 1
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that was van hattons patch i believe and it actually did fruit in that same year from what i remember

he spawned in the spring and it fruited that fall.. he laid out the details in the shroomery discord at some point and probably somewhere in this thread at some point too but i dont think i was lurking in the thread much at the time of that patch

i feel like it was like 100lbs of grain spawn or something like that spawned to a mix of hardwood mulch and coir

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28024759#28024759


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∴Genetics Info∴Ps. ovoideocystidiata and Native Americans∴

∴The Official Woodlovers Thread∴Outdoor Mushroom Cultivation∴

Edited by catnip40 (01/24/25 10:34 PM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: catnip40] * 7
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My favorite aztecorum plate

I need to locate quaking aspen wood and forest stands now


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: rhizoRider] * 10
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Coir made these cyans pretty spindly.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa] * 2
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cybesa said:
I know, it's slowly becoming a Meme with me, this grow.. :dielaughing:
I've done some digging on the culture too, and it was actually just a Wild lonesome fruit somebody found, they've cloned it, and then the clone got into his possession and he used it to create that bed. So essentially it is just a wild fruit clone, there wasn't any vigorous culture selection for seasons!

But I think you're right, it must be that that one fruit just so happened to have really good genetics. However, the coir and the greenhouse conditions must have let those genetics unfold their full potential, because there's no way others didn't have really good genetics too with how many azure beds there are, yet their results are not as crazy as this one.


So I'm just trying to connect all the possible dots here still.. :takingnotes:


It's honestly not as hard as Y'all are making it out to be. Don't forget that Van, the guy who produced that epic bed, lives in the appropriate geographical location for this species to thrive.

I see everyone pressure cooking chips. This seems like a waste of time to me. Any bed I've ever run has been with lipa style hwfp bags inoculated with a single jar of spawn. 2 jars  for speed and to prevent potential stalling. Use your own judgment based upon ability to produce clean spawn, and the culture you're working with.  This sawdust spawn has exponentially greater surface area than chips. Spawn said sawdust spawn to a hydrated chip bed (non sterile) and watch it get absolutely detroyed by mycelium.

Hoop houses (pictured above), or shade cloth, helps to limit the effects of heat and sunlight. Combine that with the correct hardiness zone and you'll find that your bed takes care of itself.

These kinds of beds fruit reliably. The addition of coir is a great idea.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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I live in northern Canada. I can't guarantee that the bed will survive our winters, so I inoculate pressure cooked chips rather than try to spawn raw ones. I did it last year with pots and had fruit by fall.

I also can't plant until late May, so I start innoculating grain in February, and chips by mid march.

If I lived in a better climate zone I would definitely go the raw chip route.

I'm going to try to use straw to insulate my bed this year. If I get healthy mycelium the following year I'll go the raw chip route.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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The hardiness zone has absolutely nothing to do with sterile chip spawn over hwfp spawn. Absolutely nothing. Neither does sterile chip bed vs non.

Why would you use straw over hwfp?

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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Stipe-n Cap said:
The hardiness zone has absolutely nothing to do with sterile chip spawn over hwfp spawn. Absolutely nothing.


My line of thinking is that I'm colonizing during the winter and planting only colonized chips. This way the mycelium doesn't have to waste time colonizing fresh ones and can instead focus on getting ready to fruit.

We really only have weather that is consistently above freezing from May-October. It's not unheard of getting snow mid-summer here, or with winter starting as early as September.

It's only my 2nd year doing woodlovers so I'm willing to admit that I could be operating under faulty logic.

Do you have any extra info about hfwp spawn? I'm always willing to learn and try new things.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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That's what I thought, too: I live in zone 6-7 as well, just as Van Hatton (who lives in 6b, Michigan) so I believe if I get everything right for my personal environmental conditions, I could recreate this. It's simply incredible and its such joy to be able to create such an amazing bed! :smile:

The Coco Coir in a woodlover bed is something I am most certainly trying for this spring's projects now that I've made sure that half of the substrate for this bed was with coir!

And the other half I plan to use a mixture of hot water soaked (not boiled, just soaked for 2-3 days) Beech wood chips & Sawdust!

Tarp on the floor, a greenhouse on top, and we'll see what happens!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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I personally soak a combination of Beech wood chips (small & very small), Alder sawdust, a little bit of Apple woodchips and larger Beech sawdust (very tiny chips) for my recent woodlover bags! The Cyan and Azure cultures like it!
:grin:
I soak this mixture for 1-2 days in Hot water and cover the buckets. Then I drain them in the sink with a filter and strongly plugged plug so it doesn't get clogged: the water drains very slowly this way but very few if any woodchips fall through the drain, so that's no issue.

Let it sit for a couple hours like you would with grain, then just pack them in unicorn bags, fold them, put in your autoclave/pc and once it hits 15 PSI, sterilize it for 2.5 hours. (thats the time I personally do, works for both rye and wood substrate)

Then wait overnight for the PC/Autoclave to cool off, take the lid off, carefully bring it to your workroom (even better if you can open it in front of your SAB or flowhood), wipe them with a clean lintless paper or microfiber cloth because there will be some water on it still, and then inoculate cleanly in front of the FH or in the SAB! Then impulse seal it, keeping it pressed for several seconds after the light turns off.

This is how I personally do it and its working so far!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa] * 5
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Spawned cyan to chips


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa] * 4
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cybesa said:
That's what I thought, too: I live in zone 6-7 as well, just as Van Hatton (who lives in 6b, Michigan) so I believe if I get everything right for my personal environmental conditions, I could recreate this. It's simply incredible and its such joy to be able to create such an amazing bed! :smile:

The Coco Coir in a woodlover bed is something I am most certainly trying for this spring's projects now that I've made sure that half of the substrate for this bed was with coir!

And the other half I plan to use a mixture of hot water soaked (not boiled, just soaked for 2-3 days) Beech wood chips & Sawdust!

Tarp on the floor, a greenhouse on top, and we'll see what happens!


Are you even working with a clone though?

Bc substrate nor greenhouse, glass cathedral or crystal palace on top will matter much if you are growing a non or poorly fruiting culture.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Tweeq]
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That cracked me up! :lol:
Good point!

Well, as far as I know, 1 of the 2 different Azure cultures I currently have has proven fruits for over a decade based on the pictures of the original owner who I got it from! So it isn't a clone of the fruits exactly, just the mycelium of the bed that has fruited well for over a decade. Does that count?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa] * 2
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I transferred some wild mycelium into a tub with few alder chips and a shit ton of coco choir and it’s going strong that extra moisture really helps

Edited by Mellowyello (01/26/25 04:46 PM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mellowyello]
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Welcome to the Shroomery! :laugh:
Your first post being a Coco Coir woodlover spawn is so cool, hahaha! Fits the theme of the last discussion! :lol:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mellowyello]
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"Wild mycelium". That sounds exciting! I wish had access to such things.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa] * 4
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cybesa said:
Welcome to the Shroomery! :laugh:
Your first post being a Coco Coir woodlover spawn is so cool, hahaha! Fits the theme of the last discussion! :lol:


Cultivating mycelium is incredibly easy, yet is not a sufficient condition to produce fruits, despite being a necessary condition. The ability to produce mycelium tells you absolutely nothing about the ability to produce fruit.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mellowyello]
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Mellowyello said:


I transferred some wild mycelium into a tub with few alder chips and a shit ton of coco choir and it’s going strong that extra moisture really helps


The extra moisture is detrimental, not helpful.  Putting a wild harvested myc culture into overly moist coir and chips is a recipe for a bacterial soup, which this is displaying lots of signs of.  Now that you have some myc, your best move would be making a chip bed outside and spawning this to it.  If you keep going with this indoor setup it will soon all die from contamination.

Welcome to the shroomery and if you want some help getting started in clean work, just holler.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
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I was planning on making an outdoor bed, I’ve started trying out agar but it keeps going bacterial I pc then pour with a SAB any advice helps.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mellowyello]
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Good to hear it's going to a bed, I think you've got enough spawn there for it to take off.

If you haven't read it already, click the hitchhiker's guide to the shroomery and give it a read.  That will direct you where you need to go to learn things on the forums.  There's a link in my signature at the bottom of my post that will bring you there.


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