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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 9
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ive been working on the hhg3 and hope to be more encouraging than ever to newer growers freaking out about contams.

the moral is basically:  unless its very obviously fucked up, send it. failure isnt the end of the world and i think people dumping jars without learning or even trying is the real tragedy.  this kindof mentality needs to die.  Ill dump imperfect jars but only when i dont have the time or space to fuck around.

also the gatekeeping/bullying thing. i guess im proud to say that i feel at least in part responsible for changing the culture here and i do so see less gatekeeping and bullying going on, ive begun working towards driving it to either extinction or irrellevance.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Like anything it's a balance. One of the reasons this place is superior as a source of info from reddit, youtube and facebook is because there is at least some low level gatekeeping of that knowledge. Would be impossible if it was a true free for all. And even with that said, people still seem to feel free to experiment how they like and to post about said experiments.

So i think the balance ain't bad on shroomery most of the time. But you've been here longer than I have, obviously.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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Kloakk said:
We have this saying in the brewing community. "There are two kinds of brewers, those who have had a an infection and those who will" :biggrin:


That was a common phrase with me n the boys back in the partyin days. If you weren't hittin the clinic a couple times a year, you weren't trying hard enough.


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Shine on forever, shine on benevolent son
Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
ive been working on the hhg3 and hope to be more encouraging than ever to newer growers freaking out about contams.

the moral is basically:  unless its very obviously fucked up, send it. failure isnt the end of the world and i think people dumping jars without learning or even trying is the real tragedy.  this kindof mentality needs to die.  Ill dump imperfect jars but only when i dont have the time or space to fuck around.

also the gatekeeping/bullying thing. i guess im proud to say that i feel at least in part responsible for changing the culture here and i do so see less gatekeeping and bullying going on, ive begun working towards driving it to either extinction or irrellevance.


You mean for the cult side right? lol!
Try that over in politics and they will be showing up at your front door trying to fight! :motorman:


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Sometimes you just have to shut up and color!
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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: QuantumZ00] * 3
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QuantumZ00 said:
Like anything it's a balance. One of the reasons this place is superior as a source of info from reddit, youtube and facebook is because there is at least some low level gatekeeping of that knowledge. Would be impossible if it was a true free for all. And even with that said, people still seem to feel free to experiment how they like and to post about said experiments.

So i think the balance ain't bad on shroomery most of the time. But you've been here longer than I have, obviously.



theres a big difference between curating our knowledgebase and condescending or ridiculing people that in with their messed up aoi bags just trying to get help.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: QuantumZ00] * 5
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22861379

I’ve put a lot of weight in that writeup over the years, and I still think it’s quite relevant. But I’m glad that the culture on the boards is shifting and I appreciate your role in that, beef.

I confess that my fear for being perceived as a retard kept me from engaging with the forum quite a bit over the years. As soon as I learned to use the search engine I felt embarrassed to ask questions when I could instead spend hours scouring the engine. Not that it would take hours to find an answer, but I seek information overload with most things lol.

To this day I almost feel envy when established/semi-established growers post simple questions because it’s always a stinging feeling in the back of my mind β€œI didn’t think that was allowed!”

I’ve felt shame for my incompetence and instead of facing it head on and accepting that I absolutely was and in many ways still am a noob and allowing myself to just be a part of the board I instead spent most of my time lurking and bookmarking, and sharing what info I could gather over on Reddit to souls I knew were poorer than mine.

Insecurity is stupid, yet so powerful.

All that to say, while I absolutely want Shroomery to stay a place where good info is agreed with and bad info is laid to rest, I’m happy to see it become a bit more forgiving in the last few years.

Maybe it’s a change in my own mind as I’ve become more comfortable with the org, hard to say, but I think you’re doing good stuff beef and I know a lot appreciate it


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"Luminous Logos, I faltered in my shorthand faith. Grant me the diligence to record in full, and the foresight to recall every meaning with certainty."

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: OLDDAD77]
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Mwj12977 said:
BeefSupremeJr said:
ive been working on the hhg3 and hope to be more encouraging than ever to newer growers freaking out about contams.

the moral is basically:  unless its very obviously fucked up, send it. failure isnt the end of the world and i think people dumping jars without learning or even trying is the real tragedy.  this kindof mentality needs to die.  Ill dump imperfect jars but only when i dont have the time or space to fuck around.

also the gatekeeping/bullying thing. i guess im proud to say that i feel at least in part responsible for changing the culture here and i do so see less gatekeeping and bullying going on, ive begun working towards driving it to either extinction or irrellevance.


You mean for the cult side right? lol!
Try that over in politics and they will be showing up at your front door trying to fight! :motorman:


you know what they say about arguing about politics on the internet?


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
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BeefSupremeJr said:
Mwj12977 said:
BeefSupremeJr said:
ive been working on the hhg3 and hope to be more encouraging than ever to newer growers freaking out about contams.

the moral is basically:  unless its very obviously fucked up, send it. failure isnt the end of the world and i think people dumping jars without learning or even trying is the real tragedy.  this kindof mentality needs to die.  Ill dump imperfect jars but only when i dont have the time or space to fuck around.

also the gatekeeping/bullying thing. i guess im proud to say that i feel at least in part responsible for changing the culture here and i do so see less gatekeeping and bullying going on, ive begun working towards driving it to either extinction or irrellevance.


You mean for the cult side right? lol!
Try that over in politics and they will be showing up at your front door trying to fight! :motorman:


you know what they say about arguing about politics on the internet?


I confess! The last few days I’ve been poking them a bit. Those dude get hype over there! Like punching holes in walls fired up!


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Sometimes you just have to shut up and color!
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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 1
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ThurmanMurman said:
Kloakk said:
We have this saying in the brewing community. "There are two kinds of brewers, those who have had a an infection and those who will" :biggrin:


That was a common phrase with me n the boys back in the partyin days. If you weren't hittin the clinic a couple times a year, you weren't trying hard enough.


:whatwhatwhat:

That's crazy, I like it :rofl:


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Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: OLDDAD77]
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My ex gfs grandpa was a freemason and I remember him telling me they dont talk about religion or politics when they gather. That always stuck with me as something worth living by. I try like hell anyway...


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Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Kloakk said:
ThurmanMurman said:
Kloakk said:
We have this saying in the brewing community. "There are two kinds of brewers, those who have had a an infection and those who will" :biggrin:


That was a common phrase with me n the boys back in the partyin days. If you weren't hittin the clinic a couple times a year, you weren't trying hard enough.


:whatwhatwhat:

That's crazy, I like it :rofl:



In case it needs to be said, I was just making a joke. 🀣


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Hitchhikers Guide to The Shroomery

Shine on forever, shine on benevolent son
Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: KlarnEvil9] * 1
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KlarnEvil9 said:
PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
Mackload said:
Scemilope said:
I am considering scent training my dog to hit on trich. He has a strong nose, I've just been too lazy to teach him to use it.


only thing could make this hobby more fun would be a trained rat or monkey (or little elf) that could detect contam and direct to yeet by pointing :lol:


Rat Tek incoming. The key is to select a large amount of rats and isolate/breed for key traits. You'll need to breed snakes to deal with the excess rats. Then breed mongoosi to deal with the snakes.


I thought it was 'mongeese'. Learn something every day.


Lol I have no idea. You should never take me as a source of reliable information.

In this case, I made an artistic choice for comedic effect.


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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ThurmanMurman said:

In case it needs to be said, I was just making a joke. 🀣


I mean it could be true, but I figured it was an internal joke you and your friends had :biggrin:


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Kloakk]
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Kloakk said:
ThurmanMurman said:

In case it needs to be said, I was just making a joke. 🀣


I mean it could be true, but I figured it was an internal joke you and your friends had :biggrin:


I just like saying stupid shit for comedic affect. Probably a character flaw or something.  A female friend of mine spent 10yrs thinking I used to bang some dudes wife while he watched just bc I spun her gullible ass some bullshit story about it and I forgot to tell her I was kidding. Thats my sense of humor.


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Hitchhikers Guide to The Shroomery

Shine on forever, shine on benevolent son
Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Tri] * 8
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Tri said:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22861379

I’ve put a lot of weight in that writeup over the years, and I still think it’s quite relevant. But I’m glad that the culture on the boards is shifting and I appreciate your role in that, beef.

I confess that my fear for being perceived as a retard kept me from engaging with the forum quite a bit over the years. As soon as I learned to use the search engine I felt embarrassed to ask questions when I could instead spend hours scouring the engine. Not that it would take hours to find an answer, but I seek information overload with most things lol.

To this day I almost feel envy when established/semi-established growers post simple questions because it’s always a stinging feeling in the back of my mind β€œI didn’t think that was allowed!”

I’ve felt shame for my incompetence and instead of facing it head on and accepting that I absolutely was and in many ways still am a noob and allowing myself to just be a part of the board I instead spent most of my time lurking and bookmarking, and sharing what info I could gather over on Reddit to souls I knew were poorer than mine.

Insecurity is stupid, yet so powerful.

All that to say, while I absolutely want Shroomery to stay a place where good info is agreed with and bad info is laid to rest, I’m happy to see it become a bit more forgiving in the last few years.

Maybe it’s a change in my own mind as I’ve become more comfortable with the org, hard to say, but I think you’re doing good stuff beef and I know a lot appreciate it


ya im biting.  after all these years, im going to come out and say what i think. idgaf.

lord knows pasty has ever been a mentor of mine, bod too.

but lets be real.  the search function fuckin sucks.  you have to know a lot about a lot to know if youre getting relevant results

whos who.  who said what and when? sorry but i think its whack the way we treat new people sometimes. 

i wrote the hhg to put spoonfeeding to a minimum but ill say what i want at this point.  part of that is that roger rabbit said a lot of shit that wasnt true and people took it as gospel based soley on who he was, not his actual results.

he basically wrote a blank check with his official rules for bod to mistreat people and his ratings reflected it.  ya.  im saying it was lame.  i acknowledge bod as one of my mentors in the hhg but i dont have to respect the way he used to treat people.

like i said.  im working on what i have to say.  might take some time


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Yeah, it was definitely baptism by fire for many new cultivators trying to join the board. I agree with what you’re saying, and I look forward to hhg3. Blessings be


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:drugnerd: TekDeck        Autist Tally :laugh:

"Mother Mycelium, I wandered in the darkness of unmarked plates and forgotten codes. Enlighten me with clarity and discipline, that every jar and dish shall bear its true name."

"Luminous Logos, I faltered in my shorthand faith. Grant me the diligence to record in full, and the foresight to recall every meaning with certainty."

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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 3
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ThurmanMurman said:
I just like saying stupid shit for comedic affect. Probably a character flaw or something.  A female friend of mine spent 10yrs thinking I used to bang some dudes wife while he watched just bc I spun her gullible ass some bullshit story about it and I forgot to tell her I was kidding. Thats my sense of humor.


Character flaw or not, sounds way better then telling everyone who you(in your own mind) think you are 2 minutes after meeting them for the first time, because you don't want them to think you're something you're not..... That's what I do, my wife keeps telling me the plumber doesn't need to know my life story:rofl:


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: Tri] * 4
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ill die on that hill. happy to be martyred for it if thats what it takes.  my agenda supercedes individual egos including my own


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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 1
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
Lol I have no idea. You should never take me as a source of reliable information.

In this case, I made an artistic choice for comedic effect.


And I love you for that! 

I freely take poetic license when speaking or typing. Most of my friends can keep up, but I have to remember to ease up a little on the innerwebz. I sound crazy enough already      :crazy2:

Don't even get me started on portmanteaus...


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Read more, post less!
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Re: Cultivation confessional [Re: BeefExtreme] * 10
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Well, here's my take on things:

1. This place really IS a free-for-all. Anyone can register for an account and start posting. Spambots, puppets, and extreme harassment are about the only things that'll get you banned. I catch random side conversations in mush cult and other subforums that are all over the map. The politics forum and the pub are both filled with people I'd never even smoke a joint with, much less trip.

2. One component of that free-for-all is people scanning the boards trying to correct misinformation and give out good advice. But those people can still be random, wrong, or just generally dicks about their point-of-view. You, know, since they're...people.

3. There are also people who have worked to write teks, compile guides, set up stickies, etc. Still, though, they're ultimately part of the free-for-all. We all are.

4. My biggest concern from the standpoint of "gate-keeping" information is preventing the viral spread of shitty information and techniques. I don't actually give a shit what anyone does in the privacy of their own home, or how skilled/knowledgeable they are when they start climbing this particular learning curve. They gotta figure shit out for themselves anyhow, just like any other farmer.

5. There is naturally a time period in any new pursuit where we get insecure and try to find authoritative voices and instructions to cling to. If we stick with said pursuit, we eventually see a lot more nuance based on our own experiences, and our "authorities" either lose their luster, become peers, or both.

As a music analogy, it's OK to me if someone's like "hey, you ever heard of that band Pink Floyd? They have this album Dark Side of the Moon that syncs up perfectly with Wizard of Oz." I'm not gonna ask them for proof, or ask them to name three songs off "Atom Heart Mother." But if they come out and say "You know that guy from Pink Floyd, Syd Barrett? He left the band because he ended up in the loonie bin after eating too much acid and thinking he'd turn into an orange," then I'm gonna say "No, that's bullshit," and then probably talk their ear off about the early history of the band lol


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