normalperson said:

are your lids modified or unmodified?  GE may be the issue, the grains look a little dry to me but that's hard to see in a photo. What is your grain prep method? At what % colonization did you break and shake?

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AspectOfTheCreator said:

Grains do look underhydrated

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Bigworm said:

Some manufacturers of oats will put antifungal additives on them which could cause slow growth or nothing to grow at all.

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Bigworm said:

Some manufacturers of oats will put antifungal additives on them which could cause slow growth or nothing to grow at all.

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Bigworm said:

Some manufacturers of oats will put antifungal additives on them which could cause slow growth or nothing to grow at all.

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Prior to soaking I highly recommend washing/rinsing your grains until the runoff water runs clear, even if the runoff is clear immediately give it a few rinses anyways, I get bacteria (or poor growth resulting from salt based antifungals, or some other product that interferes with healthy spawn run) in my spawn if I fail to thoroughly rinse my grains.
Failure to wash off the filth and dirt will mean that your sterilizer will have to penetrate this overburden as well as sterilize the surface of your grains which reduces the efficiency of your cycle.

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KauaiOrca said:

Smellyhobbit said:

What’s in it? Looks potentially bacterial but depends on the culture.

Sorry just saw what it was. Yeah could be baccy but I’d let it rip. So like a 5

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A 5 would indicate to me a pretty high level of contamination. What exactly do you see in the picture that gives you that impression? I'm not disagreeing with you as I have no reason to doubt your assessment. I simply want to learn to recognize what I'm obviously not seeing.

Thanks for your help!!

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Smellyhobbit said:

1 is perfect and 10 is nuclear waste, isn’t a 5 definitionally average? It’s probably contaminated, but I think you stand a decent chance of getting it to fruit. Probably not 2 flushes.

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That makes sense!

What I'm trying to get a better feel for is how much contamination is actually a problem when fruiting right off grain in the jar... with no spawning to substrate concerns?

The pins on this same jar really took off this morning. Counted over 40 of them.

I wonder how many "not perfect" jars intended to be used as spawn are trashed that could easily produce good flushes with top fruiting? Because as a "5" it clearly wouldn't be suitable for spawning to bulk.

Henry Swanson said:

Not sure if they label bags if anything has been added, but I always wash and rinse my grains thoroughly with a little dish soap after reading through Stipes grain prep where he recommended doing so.

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Prior to soaking I highly recommend washing/rinsing your grains until the runoff water runs clear, even if the runoff is clear immediately give it a few rinses anyways, I get bacteria (or poor growth resulting from salt based antifungals, or some other product that interferes with healthy spawn run) in my spawn if I fail to thoroughly rinse my grains.
Failure to wash off the filth and dirt will mean that your sterilizer will have to penetrate this overburden as well as sterilize the surface of your grains which reduces the efficiency of your cycle.

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Grain Prep: How to get more inoculation points for less.

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I also rinse, but haven't used dish soap, I could try that, thanks. Where I live grains are expensive, like 53 USD for 55lbs of wheat and rye, 106 USD for 55lbs of millet, 89 USD for 50lbs of corn and then there is oats, 20 USD for 55lbs...

Sorry for asking the same question, but why is my Ochraceocentrata okay? Oats is from the same "batch" as the Riptide jars.


Edit; Do you rinse first, then use dish soap, then rinse again to get the dish soap out?

RoboShroom said:

yes dehydrator

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Smellyhobbit said:

Yeah top fruiting is the prescribed solution for bacterial jars as bad as yours, actually. It’s definitely done, but if I have 20 jars going and one is bacterial I just toss it haha. It’s just situational. But yes you are doing exactly what you’d do to get that jar to fruit. Good work

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Henry Swanson said:

I start with soap, just a small drop. Then rinse a bunch of times.

If your lids are unmodified it’s probably just choked off. Maybe not affecting ochra as much as the riptide, or maybe the lid on the riptide is tighter?

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Camera93 said:

Producers Pride at most local tractor supply

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