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Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war
    #2904907 - 07/19/04 10:44 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Everyone is equal and we are all brothers and all that good stuff but why the fuck are Arab men so pissed off at everything and everyone all the time since forever in history?



Rape a 'weapon' in Sudan war


More than a million people in Sudan have fled their homes
Sudan's pro-government militias are using mass rape as a weapon in their conflict against non-Arab groups in Darfur, says Amnesty International.
Girls as young as eight and women of 80 have been raped, says the human rights group, which wants an enquiry into war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Peace talks between the government and Darfur rebels broke down on Saturday.

Aid agencies have warned that thousands could die from hunger and disease in the camps, where civilians have fled.

Public humiliation

Amnesty accuses the international community of not doing enough to protect women in Darfur and also in refugee camps in neighbouring Chad, where many have fled.

The six men raped my daughter, who is 25 years old, in front of me, my wife and the young children

H, a man from Magarsa


Darfur rape testimonies
The human rights group also directly accuses the Sudanese government of supporting the attacks by the Janjaweed militia.

But in a BBC interview, the Sudanese ambassador to London, Dr Hasan Abdin, denied his government was complicit in the attacks and described Amnesty's evidence as "flimsy and exaggerated".

He called for a thorough investigation into any sexual abuse in Darfur.

"Rape crimes need to be investigated in a very thorough manner in a court of justice and not in reports by reporters," he said.

In its report Rape as a Weapon of War, Amnesty publishes the testimonies of some of the hundreds of women its researchers have spoken to.

"I was sleeping when the attack on Disa [village] started. I was taken away by the attackers, they were all in uniforms," said a female refugee from Disa.

"They took dozens of other girls and made us walk for three hours. During the day we were beaten and they were telling us: 'You, the black women, we will exterminate you, you have no god.' At night we were raped several times. The Arabs guarded us with arms and we were not given food for three days."




Q&A: Darfur conflict
In many cases, women have been raped in public, in front of their husbands, relatives, or the wider community, Amnesty says. This is in order to humiliate them, their family and the entire group.


Amnesty adds that even in refugee camps, women are not safe from sexual violence.

It says that almost all of the rapes were carried out with either the direct involvement or in view of government forces and yet no-one has been charged with rape or abduction.

One woman said she was raped outside a refugee camp in western Darfur in June 2004. She reported it to the police and the men were arrested and disarmed.

But she says their weapons were returned the next day following the intervention of Janjaweed leaders and she was told not to make any further reports.

She regularly sees the men who raped her in the market.

Amnesty calls for an international commission of inquiry into the conflict in Darfur, including claims that the widespread rapes are part of a campaign of genocide against the region's non-Arab population.

Tens of thousands of people have been killed in Darfur, and more than one million have fled their homes in the face of militia attacks.


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Re: Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war [Re: question_for_joo]
    #2904915 - 07/19/04 10:47 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Everyone is equal and we are all brothers and all that good stuff but why the fuck are Arab men so pissed off at everything and everyone all the time since forever in history?




Ignorance.


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Re: Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war [Re: question_for_joo]
    #2905219 - 07/19/04 01:04 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

africa is so fucked up.


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Re: Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war [Re: question_for_joo]
    #2905252 - 07/19/04 01:16 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

That shit is fucked. What kind of religion spreads itself through mass rape and genocide? A fuckin evil one.


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Re: Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war [Re: MAGnum]
    #2905276 - 07/19/04 01:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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That shit is fucked. What kind of religion spreads itself through mass rape and genocide? A fuckin evil one.



This has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with control.


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Re: Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war [Re: silversoul7]
    #2905291 - 07/19/04 01:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Religion = Control


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Re: Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2905293 - 07/19/04 01:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Religion involves control, but control doesn't always involve religion.


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Re: Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war [Re: silversoul7]
    #2905300 - 07/19/04 01:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

All religion is about control. I'd like to see one without it. Just because control doesn't always involve religion doesn't make that fact that religion is about control, false.

If these were christians i'm betting the world would of gone fucking nuts right now. Religion is what's causing the problems we are having today IMHO, it controls the ignorant.


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Re: Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war [Re: question_for_joo]
    #2905301 - 07/19/04 01:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"They took dozens of other girls and made us walk for three hours. During the day we were beaten and they were telling us: 'You, the black women, we will exterminate you, you have no god.' At night we were raped several times. The Arabs guarded us with arms and we were not given food for three days."

'O Apostle, rouse the believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred; if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the unbelievers' (Koran VIIIl.67).

'Do not yield to unbelievers, but strive against them in a strenuous Jihad' (Koran XXV.54).

'Fight in God's cause; you are accountable for none but yourself. (Koran IV.86).

'Fight against the (the idolaters) until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme' (Koran II.189 and VIII.40).


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Re: Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2905307 - 07/19/04 01:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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All religion is about control. I'd like to see one without it. Just because control doesn't always involve religion doesn't make that fact that religion is about control, false.

If these were christians i'm betting the world would of gone fucking nuts right now. Religion is what's causing the problems we are having today IMHO, it controls the ignorant.



I agree. But government is also about control, and the article said something about these people being pro-government thugs.


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Re: Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war [Re: silversoul7]
    #2905311 - 07/19/04 01:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I agree. But government is also about control, and the article said something about these people being pro-government thugs.




government does not spread like religion does


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Re: Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war [Re: silversoul7]
    #2905320 - 07/19/04 01:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I agree. But government is also about control, and the article said something about these people being pro-government thugs.




unfortunatly many arab governments run them through their religious beliefs. Justification for what they are doing. Either way it's pathetic.


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Re: Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war [Re: Redo]
    #2905323 - 07/19/04 01:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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government does not spread like religion does




That's debatable.


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Re: Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2905327 - 07/19/04 01:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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government does not spread like religion does




That's debatable.




it depends how broad your definition of government is. religion spreads faster, much faster.


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Re: Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war [Re: Redo]
    #2905331 - 07/19/04 02:00 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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it depends how broad your definition of government is. religion spreads faster, much faster.




i'll say it again, that's debatable.


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    #2905334 - 07/19/04 02:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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i'll say it again, that's debatable.




Id love some examples.


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Re: Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war [Re: Redo]
    #2905339 - 07/19/04 02:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

look how fast the government has spread the anti american you're either with us or against us propaganda. I don't know of one religion that could spread that fast.


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Re: Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2906081 - 07/19/04 07:02 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Oh yeah, that's totally taken over the country. I'm guessing that maybe 30% of avowed rednecks have accepted that as gospel.


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Re: Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war [Re: question_for_joo]
    #2906173 - 07/19/04 07:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This story is an example of one of the things that makes me deeply deeply sad.

:sad:








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Re: Rape 'a weapon' in Sudan war [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2906388 - 07/19/04 08:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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look how fast the government has spread the anti american you're either with us or against us propaganda. I don't know of one religion that could spread that fast.




It works at many levels, I havent seen any polls done about it, nor have I talked to anybody who believes that at face value.


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