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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Yeah, metal lids will do that. :frown: I am slowly moving to plastic lids, but I still use the metal ones as needed since they have been modified with SFDs.

N.B. - the plastic lids you got may be a bit taller than the metal ones. I've read a few posts here about folks not being able to get the usual number of jars into their PC because of those few extra mm of height. But that's only a thing if you fill your PC to the brim.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
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AspectOfTheCreator said:
80% failure rate.








I dont have pics of the agar but it was just generic, clean round symetrical LMEA plates that dont contam even when saved for months after use. As a test, Ive kept blank agar plates open while doing a2g and contam never shows up even months later. It will show up if i cough on it. All my jars colonize the same, look the same. They always get trich right when fruiting should start. Ive used sfd stickers, sfd discs with atv glue. My success rate with agar is 100%. My jars always colonize within 2-3 weeks. Always look clean. No grains against glass. Before the shake prior to spawning I check the headspace above the grains for any stray uncolonized grains against the glass or inner lid. I also remove the agar wedge with a spoon. I spawn to coco bliss coir prepped via bucket tek with 4.6x its mass in water. 1:2.5:0.5 (1 qt spawn mixed with 2.5 qt coir pseudo cased with 0.5 qt coir).

I delt with this issue when first coming back to cult except had 100% failure. Went to about 100% success (all spawn yielding 1 oz dry or more) despite not really changing much. Now, inexplicably back to huge failure rate. I use pennington wbs prepped fooman style PCed at 18 psi for 2 hours. One piece metal lids with sfd sticker or atv glued sfd. Spawn to just plain coir. Everything always seems perfect. Everything colonizes well, surface conditions are good. Then bam, right around the time I expect fruits I get trich.

People are going to tell me my spawn is off but it looks no different from when I had high success rates spawning PE to a 1:6 ratio.

On the bright side, over the past 2 years I have grown more mush then I know what to do with in 10 life times. I could get out the game for awhile but I genuinely enjoy the hobby and would like to figure out why I cant grow consistently even at this point. After my past success throwing up canopies of harder to cult mush like pans, nats, enigma, and penis envy.

If anyone has any out the box ideas im open to listen. Someone recommended I spawn infront of a flow hood. I like the idea but am not open to purchasing one.



Is it summer where you are?  Are you going straight to fruiting conditions?  What kind of tub set up?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: lifescientist]
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lifescientist said:
Hey guys basically I have no idea what to do here. These are about 2.5 weeks colonized. The smell is luscious, can't describe it. Just smells nice, like the forest after a nice rainy day. I have them in my bathroom. I followed pasty's guide for a monotub. My I have 6 holes still taped, and another set, higher up, that are open. Wtf do I do? Where do I go for the next step here?







Have you read the write up about maintaining surface conditions? Do that, if not. Then you'll be able to gauge how your humidity/FAE balance is. Other than that, you're just gonna leave it alone and let it fruit! Good luck!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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Haven't read it, just following Frank's guide but fruiting and stuff has me confused. Where can I find it?

Edit: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22337800

This one?

Edited by lifescientist (12/03/24 02:13 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
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AspectOfTheCreator said:
80% failure rate.








I dont have pics of the agar but it was just generic, clean round symetrical LMEA plates that dont contam even when saved for months after use. As a test, Ive kept blank agar plates open while doing a2g and contam never shows up even months later. It will show up if i cough on it. All my jars colonize the same, look the same. They always get trich right when fruiting should start. Ive used sfd stickers, sfd discs with atv glue. My success rate with agar is 100%. My jars always colonize within 2-3 weeks. Always look clean. No grains against glass. Before the shake prior to spawning I check the headspace above the grains for any stray uncolonized grains against the glass or inner lid. I also remove the agar wedge with a spoon. I spawn to coco bliss coir prepped via bucket tek with 4.6x its mass in water. 1:2.5:0.5 (1 qt spawn mixed with 2.5 qt coir pseudo cased with 0.5 qt coir).

I delt with this issue when first coming back to cult except had 100% failure. Went to about 100% success (all spawn yielding 1 oz dry or more) despite not really changing much. Now, inexplicably back to huge failure rate. I use pennington wbs prepped fooman style PCed at 18 psi for 2 hours. One piece metal lids with sfd sticker or atv glued sfd. Spawn to just plain coir. Everything always seems perfect. Everything colonizes well, surface conditions are good. Then bam, right around the time I expect fruits I get trich.

People are going to tell me my spawn is off but it looks no different from when I had high success rates spawning PE to a 1:6 ratio.

On the bright side, over the past 2 years I have grown more mush then I know what to do with in 10 life times. I could get out the game for awhile but I genuinely enjoy the hobby and would like to figure out why I cant grow consistently even at this point. After my past success throwing up canopies of harder to cult mush like pans, nats, enigma, and penis envy.

If anyone has any out the box ideas im open to listen. Someone recommended I spawn infront of a flow hood. I like the idea but am not open to purchasing one.




Are you prepping or storing grain in the same bucket you do coir in?  That's a possibility.

Spawning in front of a flow hood won't do diddly, the trich is in your spawn or in a very unlikely case in your coir.  Since your coir is cocobliss and you're using the bucket tek, I am highly suspect of that being the source.  I honestly think it is your spawn.

Are you checking your grains to make sure they are fully hydrated before PCing?  If they are still dry in the middle they will have trouble sterilizing.  Next time before jarring up cut a few of the larger grains in half and see if they are hydrated all the way through. (one of the reasons I dislike no prep grain)


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
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AspectOfTheCreator said:
I dont have pics of the agar but it was just generic, clean round symetrical LMEA plates that dont contam even when saved for months after use. As a test, Ive kept blank agar plates open while doing a2g and contam never shows up even months later. It will show up if i cough on it. All my jars colonize the same, look the same. They always get trich right when fruiting should start. Ive used sfd stickers, sfd discs with atv glue. My success rate with agar is 100%. My jars always colonize within 2-3 weeks. Always look clean. No grains against glass. Before the shake prior to spawning I check the headspace above the grains for any stray uncolonized grains against the glass or inner lid. I also remove the agar wedge with a spoon. I spawn to coco bliss coir prepped via bucket tek with 4.6x its mass in water. 1:2.5:0.5 (1 qt spawn mixed with 2.5 qt coir pseudo cased with 0.5 qt coir).

I delt with this issue when first coming back to cult except had 100% failure. Went to about 100% success (all spawn yielding 1 oz dry or more) despite not really changing much. Now, inexplicably back to huge failure rate. I use pennington wbs prepped fooman style PCed at 18 psi for 2 hours. One piece metal lids with sfd sticker or atv glued sfd. Spawn to just plain coir. Everything always seems perfect. Everything colonizes well, surface conditions are good. Then bam, right around the time I expect fruits I get trich.

People are going to tell me my spawn is off but it looks no different from when I had high success rates spawning PE to a 1:6 ratio.

On the bright side, over the past 2 years I have grown more mush then I know what to do with in 10 life times. I could get out the game for awhile but I genuinely enjoy the hobby and would like to figure out why I cant grow consistently even at this point. After my past success throwing up canopies of harder to cult mush like pans, nats, enigma, and penis envy.

If anyone has any out the box ideas im open to listen. Someone recommended I spawn infront of a flow hood. I like the idea but am not open to purchasing one.



:whathesaid:

What are the chances that the bucket used for your bucket tek was contaminated with a nutrition source?  It might not hurt to scrub it out and make sure there's nothing left in there contaminating your coco...


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: lifescientist]
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lifescientist said:
Haven't read it, just following Frank's guide but fruiting and stuff has me confused. Where can I find it?

Edit: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22337800

This one?



No. I really need to figure out how to link shit in a post. Im pretty sure its in the HHG - there's a write up on how to visually check your surface conditions so you know what to look for and how to adjust if needed.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: KlarnEvil9]
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:takingnotes:

That is good to know, at this point I don't see the need to do more then 7 jars, but then again, I remember starting out with a plastic fermentation bucket, ikea kettle and some bottles. 7 years later, I have the Brewzilla gen 4, 2 fermzilla all rounder, 9 Cornelius kegs, 6 tap fridge and about 400kg of grain...
:wellitried:

I've search a little, but still wondering what the cons and pros of modded vs unmodded lids are. Would love to hear what all of you do and why.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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ThurmanMurman said:
lifescientist said:
Haven't read it, just following Frank's guide but fruiting and stuff has me confused. Where can I find it?

Edit: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22337800

This one?



No. I really need to figure out how to link shit in a post.



Easy peasy. Copy the link, then highlight the text you want the link to be, click the link icon - has a globe on it, just left of the anchor. Paste your copied URL in the box and click ok. The text you selected will now be highlighted and clickable.

Example - HHG link


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
    #29044227 -

If I use CV substrate made with a lot more vermiculite than usual would it affect my growth? I usually use a brick of coco coir with 2 quarts of vermiculite. The substate I made ended up being too wet so I added a bunch of vermiculite just eyeballing it, and I think I added too much. The substrate went from a dark color to a lighter brown.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: KlarnEvil9]
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KlarnEvil9 said:
ThurmanMurman said:
lifescientist said:
Haven't read it, just following Frank's guide but fruiting and stuff has me confused. Where can I find it?

Edit: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22337800

This one?



No. I really need to figure out how to link shit in a post.



Easy peasy. Copy the link, then highlight the text you want the link to be, click the link icon - has a globe on it, just left of the anchor. Paste your copied URL in the box and click ok. The text you selected will now be highlighted and clickable.

Example - HHG link



None of that seems to be an option. Im on the mobile "app", so there may be some differences. Ill see what I can figure out.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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Here's a hyperlink how-to by Ziran


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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Is it better to use coco coir bricks? Or is it okay to use loose coco coir? Is there a difference when using the 2?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Dala]
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Dala said:
Here's a hyperlink how-to by Ziran



I fumbled the fuck outta that. 🤣🤣 Thanks!


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Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
    #29044322 -

AspectOfTheCreator said:
80% failure rate.








I dont have pics of the agar but it was just generic, clean round symetrical LMEA plates that dont contam even when saved for months after use. As a test, Ive kept blank agar plates open while doing a2g and contam never shows up even months later. It will show up if i cough on it. All my jars colonize the same, look the same. They always get trich right when fruiting should start. Ive used sfd stickers, sfd discs with atv glue. My success rate with agar is 100%. My jars always colonize within 2-3 weeks. Always look clean. No grains against glass. Before the shake prior to spawning I check the headspace above the grains for any stray uncolonized grains against the glass or inner lid. I also remove the agar wedge with a spoon. I spawn to coco bliss coir prepped via bucket tek with 4.6x its mass in water. 1:2.5:0.5 (1 qt spawn mixed with 2.5 qt coir pseudo cased with 0.5 qt coir).

I delt with this issue when first coming back to cult except had 100% failure. Went to about 100% success (all spawn yielding 1 oz dry or more) despite not really changing much. Now, inexplicably back to huge failure rate. I use pennington wbs prepped fooman style PCed at 18 psi for 2 hours. One piece metal lids with sfd sticker or atv glued sfd. Spawn to just plain coir. Everything always seems perfect. Everything colonizes well, surface conditions are good. Then bam, right around the time I expect fruits I get trich.

People are going to tell me my spawn is off but it looks no different from when I had high success rates spawning PE to a 1:6 ratio.

On the bright side, over the past 2 years I have grown more mush then I know what to do with in 10 life times. I could get out the game for awhile but I genuinely enjoy the hobby and would like to figure out why I cant grow consistently even at this point. After my past success throwing up canopies of harder to cult mush like pans, nats, enigma, and penis envy.

If anyone has any out the box ideas im open to listen. Someone recommended I spawn infront of a flow hood. I like the idea but am not open to purchasing one.



Other than the possible accidental nutrification of your coir that others have mentioned, how confident are you in your lid filters and seals? Might be worth making new lids or at least replacing the filters in the existing ones to see if that helps. Kind of a long shot if the spawn looks good, but not hard to implement, and may explain why things were good for a while and then got bad again.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk] * 3
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Kloakk said:
:takingnotes:

That is good to know, at this point I don't see the need to do more then 7 jars, but then again, I remember starting out with a plastic fermentation bucket, ikea kettle and some bottles. 7 years later, I have the Brewzilla gen 4, 2 fermzilla all rounder, 9 Cornelius kegs, 6 tap fridge and about 400kg of grain...
:wellitried:

I've search a little, but still wondering what the cons and pros of modded vs unmodded lids are. Would love to hear what all of you do and why.



I love unmodified plastic lids. Their only downside in my experience is you have to remember to loosen before sterilizing, and tighten before shaking (and loosen just a little - much less than for sterilizing) after inoculation and after shaking.

I have some modified lids, and I'll keep replacing filters on those as needed (rarely, now). But I've had enough filter fails that I'm not too interested in making more. (I admit the failures were almost certainly preventable with better roughing up of the surface and more consistent use of the silicone/E6000 and gluing the correct side down. But I've had far more nasty jars with modded lids than unmodded ones, so it's hard to justify the risk and effort anymore.)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Phaethon]
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Hey guys, is it normal for the mycellium inside a grain jar to bruise after shaking the jar? I'm pretty sure it's bruising and not a contaminant because it appeared in less than 30 minutes after shaking and it's the same color as freshly harvested bruised shrooms.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Phaethon]
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Some yellowing at the bottom of my jar where there are burst grains. Is it probably contaminated and should I toss it?





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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: malvaneglecta] * 1
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Radamanto said:
Hey guys, is it normal for the mycellium inside a grain jar to bruise after shaking the jar? I'm pretty sure it's bruising and not a contaminant because it appeared in less than 30 minutes after shaking and it's the same color as freshly harvested bruised shrooms.



Depends on culture.. these semps did every time


Couple days after shake


And were much more blue in person

Edited by LewDoja (12/03/24 07:31 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
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AspectOfTheCreator said:
80% failure rate.








I dont have pics of the agar but it was just generic, clean round symetrical LMEA plates that dont contam even when saved for months after use. As a test, Ive kept blank agar plates open while doing a2g and contam never shows up even months later. It will show up if i cough on it. All my jars colonize the same, look the same. They always get trich right when fruiting should start. Ive used sfd stickers, sfd discs with atv glue. My success rate with agar is 100%. My jars always colonize within 2-3 weeks. Always look clean. No grains against glass. Before the shake prior to spawning I check the headspace above the grains for any stray uncolonized grains against the glass or inner lid. I also remove the agar wedge with a spoon. I spawn to coco bliss coir prepped via bucket tek with 4.6x its mass in water. 1:2.5:0.5 (1 qt spawn mixed with 2.5 qt coir pseudo cased with 0.5 qt coir).

I delt with this issue when first coming back to cult except had 100% failure. Went to about 100% success (all spawn yielding 1 oz dry or more) despite not really changing much. Now, inexplicably back to huge failure rate. I use pennington wbs prepped fooman style PCed at 18 psi for 2 hours. One piece metal lids with sfd sticker or atv glued sfd. Spawn to just plain coir. Everything always seems perfect. Everything colonizes well, surface conditions are good. Then bam, right around the time I expect fruits I get trich.

People are going to tell me my spawn is off but it looks no different from when I had high success rates spawning PE to a 1:6 ratio.

On the bright side, over the past 2 years I have grown more mush then I know what to do with in 10 life times. I could get out the game for awhile but I genuinely enjoy the hobby and would like to figure out why I cant grow consistently even at this point. After my past success throwing up canopies of harder to cult mush like pans, nats, enigma, and penis envy.

If anyone has any out the box ideas im open to listen. Someone recommended I spawn infront of a flow hood. I like the idea but am not open to purchasing one.



STERILIZE YOUR SUB AND USE MGP+ your spawn looks great. It's not your spawn. I promise you if you do this, trich will be a thing of the past. I used to never have trich and pasteurized my sub. Hell I even used to cold hydrate my sub and still never got trich. Them one day, it just changed and got trich in every single damn grow no matter what.. now I sterilize every single time.

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