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    #2902248 - 07/18/04 01:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

while surfin i saw some methods describing how to extract a liquid from fresh shrooms(by soaking them in ethanol & then evaporating the alcohol)which contains clear psilocin/psilocubin.They claim that the potency remains stable(no psilocubin is damaged)while the taste disappears.Is that true?I want to try but I'm afraid of ruining good mushrooms if something doesn't work well!Does anyone knows something about that?Anyone who tried succesfully this tek?


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Re: mushroom extract [Re: alexhs]
    #2905436 - 07/19/04 02:52 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Disclaimer: i didnt write this, and havnt had a chance to test it out yet personaly, but it seems to be scientificly sound. i will be trying it out once i get a batch of mushrooms to use it on.

Psilocybin extraction


Some of the advantages:

no stomach trouble/dizziness/nausea
better euphoria
effects come on quicker
easy control of dosage


The method:

ALCOHOL EXTRACTION OF THE MAGIC CRYSTALS by Professor Fanaticus

SUPPLY LIST
mushrooms
190 proof ethyl alcohol (GOLDEN GRAIN - EVERCLEAR ect)
Pyrex glass wide mouth slurry soaking vessel
Stove top boiling water pot (slurry vessel sits inside) "double boiler"
Funnel, and vacuum filtering set up or Dust-pollen masks
Small desk fan
Stirring tools - spatulas

Acquire quality psilocybe cubensis shrooms (harvested before or just as the veils open and cool dried with desiccant). The more shrooms used in the beginning, the more potent the concentration can be when finished. Use at least several grams of dried shroom material to make the process worthwhile and effective. The shrooms need to be thoroughly dry (rock hard) to allow pulverization. To pulverize the shrooms, put them into a small strong zip lock plastic bag (freezer bag), cover the bag with a magazine (for protection of the bag) and pound it with the rubber heel of a large shoe. Or, powder them in a small canister type coffee bean grinder.

In a heat resistant soaking vessel (Pyrex glass), combine the shroom powder with several times its volume with 190 proof Everclear (ethanol). This is the "slurry". Place the slurry steeping vessel in a pan of boiling water. Raising the slurry soaking vessel off the bottom of the hot water pan is a good idea for preventing serious sticking of the extracts. The slurry will start to boil. Turn the water boiling pan heat down and let the slurry simmer and steep for a few hours at a warm-hot temperature. Alcohol boils at a lower temperature than water. Watch the temperatures closely. Things can get totally out of hand and ruined very quickly without close attention paid. Stir the hot mixture periodically and often to keep things loose with no sticking.

After the hot steeping and while the slurry is still hot, filter it through filter paper. This is probably the most important part. A good filtration will be efficient and will keep most of the shroom material out, making for a clean extraction (clean of shrooms that is - but heavy on psilocybin). A small lab type vacuum pump powered bottle top filtering funnel with filter disk holder makes it all easy and fast, with little waste.

Collect and save the filtrate liquids. Heat the slurry (the mush in the filter paper) one or two more times with the 190 proof as before, filter, and accumulate the liquids of the extractions. The photos at the top are of extractions done twice.

If there is no vacuum filtering device at hand, inexpensive dust-pollen masks make good filters for the slurry. These are available at hardware, drug and paint stores. They are usually white or tan colored, fit over the nose and mouth and are held on to the face by a rubber band attached to the filter. Fashion the filter over the mouth of a drinking glass. Squeeze the filter and slurry to extract the alcohol. There are many details to deal with, but doing it once reveals them all. Experience is the best teacher. Store the extracted alcohol in a fresh bottle.

EVAPORATION AND CONCENTRATION

Combine the filtered alcohol extracts into the Pyrex steeping vessel. Place a small electric fan near the vessel and point the air flow directly down into the vessel until the surface of the alcohol ripples. This will speed the evaporation and concentration. The process will take several hours. The more alcohol extract - the longer the evaporation time. As the alcohol evaporates and the level recedes down into the glass, wash the residue that adheres to the inside of the glass back into the solution. Any fumes that are generated will be harmless because the alcohol is a non poisonous drinkable spirit. Keep flames away from the solution - pure alcohol is very flammable.

One can also use heat to evaporate and concentrate the liqueur. Use a double boiler type of set up to heat and evaporate off the alcohol to concentrate the liqueur. At this point, with hot concentrated liqueur (no crystal precipitate) it is best to go immediately to the storage tek (see Dosage and Storage at the end).

The concentrated shroom liqueur will have a pungent mushroomy aroma (like fungi perfume). Also, a white crystalline kind of precipitate will form in the alcohol liqueur (see above photo) as it cools. Store it in small screw cap bottles or vials in the freezer. Alcohol doesn't freeze solid and will remain liquid.

IMPORTANT GUIDELINES

1. Use warm-hot temps when steeping the initial slurry (shroom-alcohol). Use a double boiler for the slurry vessel. Avoid direct heat to the bottoms of the slurry soaking vessels. The extract has a tendency to bake on and stick very easily.

2. A good filter is a must. Lab quality filter paper helps for a cleaner extract (less shroom stuff). A small bottle top vacuum filtering funnel with a hand squeeze vacuum pump and fine slow flow filtering papers is perfect for this small extraction tek (look for the 47 millimeter filter sized set ups).

3. When filtering the slurry, do it while it is hot.

4. When heated in the initial slurry, the psilocybin alkaloid extracts are free base molecules. In the final liqueur on cool down, the free base molecules will coalesce and form crystals. It takes a day or two for the process to be complete. The less the final amount of liquid is, the easier it is for the free base psilocybin molecules to meet each other and coalesce into the whitish crystalline substance.

5. The crystalline extract can be completely dried by placing the liqueur container in front of a small fan to get most of the liquid out. To complete the drying, desiccant is recommended. Place the small vessel of liqueur into a larger jar with quality desiccant. It takes several days to complete drying. The final crystalline substance can be weighed, worked with and experimented with.

6. TEK personalization through experience is what happens to anyone trying this. Extracting plant material is an ancient art, and the ways are myriad.

DOSAGE and STORAGE

On cooling and with time, the free base psilocybin molecules coalesce in the liqueur and precipitate into a whitish crystalline extract which falls to the bottom of the storage vessel. The freebase Psilocybin molecules come together fast in the cool alcohol.

Storage and dosage prep is the same. If the liqueur has already precipitated the crystals, heat the final concentrated liqueur (for example - 20 grams of dried shrooms can be extracted to 50-100 milliliters alcohol) in its storage vessel in a pot of hot water. Boil the liqueur and stir and scrape deposits from the glass as the liqueur boils lightly. Alcohol boils at a lower temperature than water. Keep the storage vessel off the bottom of the boiling water pot. Direct heat is very bad for the liqueur, making it stick. As the liqueur boils, the crystals and extract will remelt with time. The large particles of the crystals can be crushed with a long needle probe to hurry up the process. When the crystals are dissolved, administer the magic liqueur while it is HOT. Using a syringe enables uniformity and accuracy of the dosages. Keep the liqueur stirred up to keep it uniform. The hot liqueur quickly becomes cloudy (precipitate) on slight cooling. A hot temperature of the liqueur with remelted crystals is important for accurate dosage administration.

While it is hot, dispense equal portions of the liqueur (10cc-20cc) into small storage jars with watertight caps. Each small jar is allowed to cool, the cap is put on and the jar is placed into the freezer for storage. Each jar is equivalent to an exact fraction of the original dry shroom weight so that dosage can be accurately controlled and determined.

When it is time to trip, the desired liqueur jars (with potency ratings) are removed from the freezer, allowed to warm to room temps, the lids taken off, a small fan is set up blowing air across the jars mouths and the liqueur is evaporated off to a manageable "hit" (variable alcohol). The small jars then become administration vessels where the entire contents (alcohol-water-crystalline extract) can easily be completely consumed.

Obtaining Everclear/Super-High Proof Alcohol

First, call a well stocked liquor store and ask if they have 190 proof ethyl alcohol. Full service liquor stores supply hospitals and laboratories with 190 - 200 proof ethyl alcohol. If a permit is needed, call the state liquor board (usually in the State Capital) and ask for an application to get an ethyl alcohol permit. The fee is 5 or 10 dollars. On the application will be a question asking what the use of the alcohol will be. Write what they more or less want to hear. State that the use of the alcohol will be for "non-toxic surface sterilizing plus herb extraction - preservation - tincture - and perfume making" (or something to that effect).


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Re: mushroom extract [Re: NNY]
    #2914778 - 07/22/04 04:12 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The literature suggests that 10% of the psilocin will be gone in 24 hrs.

Also, dilute acetic acid(vinegar) is the best solvent to use for extraction.

I'd provide cites, but hey your fingers aren't broken, hit google.


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Re: mushroom extract [Re: fastfred]
    #2921670 - 07/23/04 08:15 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Also, dilute acetic acid(vinegar) is the best solvent to use for extraction.




Riiiggghhtttttt.... Try it and then get back to us.... I think you'll change your mind. Besides -- any aqueous solution with biological crap sitting in it is asking for trouble -- unless you plan to A/B extract -- that's a different story.

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    #2921728 - 07/23/04 08:39 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: mushroom extract [Re: micro]
    #2922085 - 07/23/04 10:33 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

wouldnt vodka work to some degree too or bacardi 151? Then just have a shot as a dose. also when i extract anyhting i always do it in 3 steps ex. 300ml of fluid seperate it inot 3 goups of 100ml and give each 100ml anywher from a few hours to a few dasy soaking then strain sqeeze and re soak in new solution. In the end put everything together and you should have extraced more then just one big extraction.


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Re: mushroom extract [Re: micro]
    #2931557 - 07/27/04 07:40 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

A/B not required. Works just great. Many people claim vinegar to be good for your health. I'm not one of those people, so I do the obvious thing and evap.

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Re: mushroom extract [Re: fastfred]
    #2931716 - 07/27/04 10:18 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)


I got this extraction off of the hive maybe it will help somone. if anyone tries it please let me know how it turned out. i've tried alcohol extractions before and always ended up with a nasty black tar after evaporating. this might be better



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Mushroom Aqueous-Organic Psilocin Extraction
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An Aqueous-Organic Extraction Method for the Isolation and Identification of Psilocin from Hallucinogenic Mushrooms
Casale, J. F.
Journal of Forensic Sciences, Vol. 30, No. 1, pp. 247-250 (1985) (http://www.rhodium.ws/pdf/shroom.psilocin.extraction.pdf)

Abstract

A simple aqueous extraction method for the isolation and identification of psilocin from Psilocybe Cubensis mushrooms is reported. This method employs a dephosphorylation of the phosphate ester to psilocin, which facilitates a greater product yield and simplifies identification. Psilocin extracted by this method is sufficiently concentrated and free of cocontaminants to allow identification by infrared spectroscopy and gas chromatography/mass spectrometry.

The tryptamines are one of four categories of hallucinogenic indoles in more than 20 classes of indole compounds comprising approximately 600 alkaloids1. Considerable research has been conducted with psilocin and psilocybin since their isolation by Hofmann et. al.2 Several extraction techniques1,3-6 have been used to isolate psilocin and psilocybin from more than two dozen species of mushrooms in four genera (Conocybe. Panaeolus, Psilocybe, Stropharia). The techniques that use methanol co-extract other compounds such as urea, ergosterol, ergosteral peroxide, ,-trehalose, baeocystin, and norbaeocystin3,4,7. At present, a useful aqueous extraction procedure has not been reported for psilocin and psilocybin.

The dephosphorylation of psilocybin to psilocin in vivo has been well documented1,8,9 and is thought to account for most or all of its central nervous system activity8. Conversion of psilocybin to psilocin is also necessary for aqueous extraction with organic solvents because of the very low lipid solubility of psilocybin. Extraction of only one compound also permits infrared analysis of the extract.

Concentration and detectability of psilocin and psilocybin are dependent on several variables, including:

1. The absence of glucose, which will prevent the production of psilocybin10.
2. Low levels of ammonium succinate, which will give poor yields of psilocybin10.
3. The growing medium, which requires a pH of less than 710.
4. Timing: maximum production of psilocybin occurs on the seventh day after germination, while maximum production of the mycelium is reached by the ninth day10.
5. Temperature: complete loss of psilocin and psilocybin will occur in harvested mushrooms left at room temperature for an extended period of time3.
6. Oxidation: psilocin will oxidize to a blue product (possibly accounting for the bluing color in the four genera containing psilocin and psilocybin)9.

Because of the increasing popularity of these mushrooms and kits available from drug oriented publications for growing mushrooms containing psilocin and psilocybin in cow manure a simple aqueous extraction procedure has been developed that extracts reasonably pure psilocin from mature mushrooms. This extraction method greatly simplifies the identification of psilocin from those mushrooms by infrared spectroscopy and gas chromatography/mass spectrometry (GS/MS).

Experimental Procedure

A representative sample of 2 to 10g of dried mushrooms is ground to a fine powder by mortar and pestle. The powder is mixed with 100 mL of dilute acetic acid in a 250-mL beaker. The pH is readjusted to pH 4 with glacial acetic acid. After standing 1 h, the beaker is placed in a boiling water bath for 8 to 10 min or until the internal temperature of the acid mixture reaches 70?C. The beaker is removed and cooled to room temperature under running water. The acid mixture is separated from the mushroom powder by suction filtration using glass wool. The filtrate is brought to pH 8 with concentrated ammonium hydroxide and quickly extracted with two 50-mL portions of diethyl ether. Gentle mixing instead of shaking should be used to prevent an emulsion. The ether is dried over sodium sulfate, filtered, and evaporated under nitrogen with no applied heat.

Crude psilocin will appear as a greenish residue. Recrystallization from chloroform/heptane (1:3) yields white crystals. The resulting powder can then be submitted to infrared and mass spectral analyses.

Results and Discussion

This method permits rapid isolation of psilocin from hallucinogenic mushrooms by co-extraction of both psilocin and psilocybin. Dilute acetic acid is an excellent solvent for this purpose, because both compounds are very soluble in acetic acid11 and very little of other interfering substances arc extracted, It is most likely some other compounds are co-extracted but are removed from psilocin in the ether extraction from the aqueous base. Psilocybin is completely dephosphorytated to psilocin by heating the acid extract. After addition of the base, extraction into ether should be performed promptly, because of decomposition of psilocin at a greater pH than 712. The extraction and dephosporylation steps produce reasonably pure psilocin from a small amount of mushroom material. Two grams of mushrooms will often be sufficient to obtain an infrared spectrum of psilocin(Fig. 1). (http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/pictures/psilo.xtract.fig1.gif)
Smaller mushrooms exhibits provide ample psilocin for mass spectral analysis (Fig. 2). (http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/pictures/psilo.xtract.fig2.gif)

This method has been used in our laboratory for six months and has given excellent results in separating psilocin from methanol-soluble compounds. Other identification techniques such as gas chromatography and microcrystalline tests are possible on psilocin extracted by this method.

References

[1] Schultes, R. E., "Indole Alkaloids in Plant Hallucinogens" Journal of Psychedelic Drugs, Vol. 8, No. 1, Jan.-March 1976, pp. 7-25.
[2] Hofmann, A., Heim, R., Barck, A., Kobel, H., Frey, A., et al, "Psilicybin [sic] and Psilocin" Helvetica Chimica Acta, Vol. 42, No. 2, 1959, pp. 1557-1572.
[3] Beug, M. W. and Bigwood, J., "Quantitative Analysis of Psilocybin and Psilocin in Psilicybe Baeocystis (Singer and Smith) by High-Performance Liquid Chromatography and by Thin-Layer Chromatography" Journal of Chromatography, Vol 207, No. 3, March 1981, pp. 379-385.
[4] Koike, Y., Wada, K., Kusano, G., Nozoe, S., and Yokoyama, K., "Isolation of Psilocybin from Psilocybe Argentypes and Its Determination in Specimens of Some Mushrooms" Journal of Natural Products, Vol. 44, No. 3, May-June 1981, pp. 362-365.
[5] Ott, J. and Guzm?n, G., "Detection of Psilocybin in Species of Psilocybe Panaeolus and Psathyrella" Lloydia, Vol. 39, No. 4, July-Aug. 1976, pp. 258-260.
[6] Guzm?n, G. and Ott, J., "Description and Chemical Analysis of a New Species of Hallucinogenic Psilocybe from the Pacific Northwest" Mycologia, Vol. 68, No. 6, Nov. 1976, pp. 1261-1267.
[7] Lenny, A. W. and Paul, A. G., "Raeocystin and Norbaeocystin: New Analogs of Psilocybin form Psilocybe Baeocystis" Journal of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Vol. 57, No. 10, Oct. 1968, pp. 1667-1671.
[8] Horita, A. and Weber, L. J., "Dephosphorylation of Psilocybin in the Intact Mouse" Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology, Vol. 4, No. 6. Nov. pp. 730-737.
[9] Horita, A. and Weber, L. J., "The Enzymatic Dephosphorylation and Oxidation of Psilocybin and Psilocin by Mammalian Tissue Homogenates" Biochemical Pharmacology, Vol. 7, No. 1, 1961, pp. 47-54.
[10] Catalfomo, P. and Tyler, V. E., "The Production of Psilocybin in Submerged Culture by Psilocybe Cubensis" Lloydia, Vol. 27, No. 1, March, 1964, pp. 53-63.
[11] Clarke, E. G. C., Isolation and Identification of Drugs, Pharmaceutical Press, London, 1974, p. 526.
[12] Agurell, S. and Eilsson, L., "Biosynthesis of Psilocybin Part II. Incorporation of Labeled Tryptamine Derivatives" Acta Chemica Scandinavica, Vol. 22, No. 4, 1968, pp. 1210-1218.


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Re: mushroom extract [Re: fastfred]
    #2933541 - 07/27/04 06:59 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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A/B not required. Works just great. Many people claim vinegar to be good for your health. I'm not one of those people, so I do the obvious thing and evap.

Do a little research first next time before you post...




Why don't you use the search engine? I've adressed this issue at least ten thousand times.

Vinegar stinks and takes for ever to evaporate, not to mention is an aqueous solution which would promote enzymatic degredation, as I stated above (yes, I realize the methanol, too, becomes an aq solution over time.) Like I said -- try it and you'll see why methanol is better. I've already done it both ways many times, so I don't need to do more research, thank you.

You have yet to qualify your statement that "Also, dilute acetic acid(vinegar) is the best solvent to use for extraction." Why don't YOU do some research on THAT and get back to us.

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Re: mushroom extract [Re: micro]
    #2935033 - 07/28/04 01:33 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Easy, cheesy... Everyone has their prefered methods. I didn't see acetic acid mentioned, so I mentioned it.

In a crude extraction, it's often not easy to get a completely dry product. That's why I prefer to use something that isn't going to cause blindness!


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    #2937339 - 07/28/04 07:37 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The methanol will evaporate (as long as it's not rushed) -- actually the solution will be almost all water at the end even before it "dries." With a simple methanol extraction you're extracting out the oils and stuff, so don't expect a crystalline solid as the product -- it'll be more like a resin.

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Re: mushroom extract [Re: micro]
    #2937482 - 07/28/04 08:19 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

do you think this resin could be cleaned up by recrystalization adding just enough hot alcohol to dissolve it and then cool it slowly first to room temp and then put it in fridge till it gets cold and then stick it it in freezer till crystals form and filter do you think this would work?


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    #2937519 - 07/28/04 08:28 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

No -- there's too much crap in there to do that. Recrystalization assumes that the mix is mostly product.

Alcohol will dissolve a lot of stuff out of the fruitbodies -- only a small portion of it will be psilocybin or psilocin. Recrystalizing it would more likely make you lose psilocybin into the alcohol.

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Re: mushroom extract [Re: micro]
    #2941964 - 07/29/04 09:26 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Why would you use methenol, its toxic? And if you evap to water then wont the water allow for breakdown? I think using ethenol alchol like bacardi 151 or eveclear is the best idea and dont over evap so its still at least 20% to stop any growth. You can buy a cheap tool for ~$6 to test the proof from easttnstills.com (no plug intened).

What would happen if you did allot of shrooms using this meathod? I was thinking of doing a 1oz per dose trip. Me and one of my friends triped on 10-15g last time, we just kept eating em :laugh: we felt we could handle more. But then again im still looking fowards to acid and doing a full dose of pedro.


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    #2942859 - 07/30/04 02:09 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I have used ethanol (91.5% abv) for plant extractions many times. I have never tried it with mushrooms. But I will say this. Methanol is MUCH better for extractions granted that you let it evaporate COMPLETELY.

QUOTE: "You can buy a cheap tool for ~$6 to test the proof from easttnstills.com (no plug intened)."

I assume you are referring to an 'alcoholometer.' It's basically a hydrometer with an estimated alcohol proof scale. They aren't the most accurate devices on the planet. I have one from the US customs house and it's not accurate to swear by. Just remember that different suspended and dissolved particles will adjust your specific gravity and throw off your alcohol percent reading. But this is probably a negligble factor anyways. Shooting for 20%, you could be fairly certain that no bacteria have moved in.

As for the "doing shots of shroom juice," I suggest that you shake the container vigororously directly before pouring your shots. That way you could ensure that any non-soluble particles are equally suspended.


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Re: mushroom extract [Re: KonkeyDong]
    #2942886 - 07/30/04 02:19 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Speaking of extraction. What about hot water? If the tea method of ingestion is so effective then couldn't one perform a rapid extraction with water? I assume the evaporation would be as slow as Kobe Bryant's trial, but I think it would work. I will give this a try next time I have some stuff lying around. I'm thinking:

Distilled water
The paydirt
Mason jar
Filter paper on top

Any suggestions on the filter paper? I have heard that coffee filters are 10 microns, but that seems a little tight for something that I can see through.

3 microns?

I just want something to let the moisture out while keeping the airborne shiznit out.

Does this sound stupid?

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    #2950307 - 08/01/04 12:21 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I have so many bad things to say about this thread that I will say nothing, at all.

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Re: mushroom extract [Re: micro]
    #2967763 - 08/05/04 02:14 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i have been watching but reluctant to speak. dont go off of one website or tek. i have done many extractions and seen many variations. i like the one that says you should heat the product to a boil. i remember when someone posted to make lsd you mix bleach and windex. (dont do that by the way) i almost got sick thinking of some dumb kid running off to try.


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Re: mushroom extract [Re: crAckZ]
    #2975525 - 08/07/04 03:51 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

If you are going to use methanol on dried medicinal mushrooms, I guess that would work OK.

Using it on fresh though, is not a good idea. Methanol and H2O will form an azeotrope... so you will never be able to evap all the methanol unless you take it to complete dryness.

Since it forms a resin you probably won't be able to ever get it to complete dryness unless you spread it out very thinly and scrape it up and respread it several times...

Hardly worth the work considering that their are non-toxic alternatives such as ethanol and acetic acid.


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Re: mushroom extract [Re: fastfred]
    #2977709 - 08/08/04 10:13 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

>Methanol and H2O will form an azeotrope

Water and methanol don't form an azeotrope. Water and ethanol do.

>so you will never be able to evap all the methanol

Besides, evaporation is a different process from distillation(where an azeotrope would have an influence on the maximum available concentration of methanol in the product). An existence of an azeotrope doesn't influence the evaporation of a substance or a mix of substances into air at any rate.


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