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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 3
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You can't actually sterilize the surface of the SHIP (or anything else) with alcohol, and you can't safely flame it, so you're shoving a needle through a likely bacterial vector. Opening the jar exposes it to whatever is in the air, but with a SAB that is generally low risk because the suspended stuff will stay suspended rather than added to liquid and poured onto your sterile grains.

fahtster uses SHIPs, but with a novel steam sterilization pen setup.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Phaethon]
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If the SHIP is sterilized along with the rest of the jar in the pressure cooker, then how is it any more of a vector than the air you expose it to?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Phaethon]
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Okay, thanks, I get the "can't sterilise the SHIP surface with ISO" argument. I've just bought a bunch of jars and none of the lids have SHIPs. I've gone all agar and glass jars already. Too many disasters with bags and LC recently. Industrial level PTSD.

BUT: What about bags and LC? If a SHIP is bad, is a bag then more risky than glass jars? Why would anyone risk large spawn bags if the odds are bum? I had the impression that "professional farmer-level people" only use bags and LC. Is that a misperception?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: SWBZA]
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I don’t see any bags.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Arctic_Fox]
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Arctic_Fox said:
If the SHIP is sterilized along with the rest of the jar in the pressure cooker, then how is it any more of a vector than the air you expose it to?


Yeah, actually, good point. I used to sterilise my jars with SHIPs with a foil cover and took them straight out of the PC into the SAB. Foil only came off after SAB had time to settle. Mmm...

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: SWBZA] * 3
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Arctic_Fox said:
If the SHIP is sterilized along with the rest of the jar in the pressure cooker, then how is it any more of a vector than the air you expose it to?


If you sterilize with foil over the lids and don't touch the foil until inoculation, and don't wipe with alcohol, that's probably fairly safe. But as soon as it's exposed to open air, you have no way of sterilizing the surface short of something like a steam pen.

SWBZA said:
BUT: What about bags and LC? If a SHIP is bad, is a bag then more risky than glass jars? Why would anyone risk large spawn bags if the odds are bum? I had the impression that "professional farmer-level people" only use bags and LC. Is that a misperception?


People open the bags in front of a flow hood and pour in LC or colonized grains.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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GenesisCorrupted said:

I don’t see any bags.


I'll take a look, thanks.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: SWBZA] * 6
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just a quick fyi:

bods unmodified "tek" was never meant to be a tek.  He states this right away in the writeup.  He just did it to show that it could be done.

in my opinion, there are far better tub designs.  Ive thought about doing a writeup on my own tubs but it seems silly.  its a 16q or 20q tub with pastys ez dial hole pattern.  thats it. no tape, no foam, no dickering around with the lid. set and forget.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Phaethon]
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SWBZA said:
BUT: What about bags and LC? If a SHIP is bad, is a bag then more risky than glass jars? Why would anyone risk large spawn bags if the odds are bum? I had the impression that "professional farmer-level people" only use bags and LC. Is that a misperception?


People open the bags in front of a flow hood and pour in LC or colonized grains.


Well, you see, there you have it - I mustn't play with the big boys if I don't have the big toys! Flow hood for Xmas, please friends. Crowd source me one

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Phaethon] * 1
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Yeah. I don't use SHIPs (or LC) but I was envisioning the usual process of preparing and sterilizing the jars with foil on and only removing the foil in a sterile environment when ready to use, and only using it once. I see that as no less safe than removing the lid.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
just a quick fyi:

bods unmodified "tek" was never meant to be a tek.  He states this right away in the writeup.  He just did it to show that it could be done.

in my opinion, there are far better tub designs.  Ive thought about doing a writeup on my own tubs but it seems silly.  its a 16q or 20q tub with pastys ez dial hole pattern.  thats it. no tape, no foam, no dickering around with the lid. set and forget.



That link to pastys hole pattern just saved my bacon, thanks. I have set time aside for tomorrow to drill a bunch of holes and they would have been too low - too close to the substrate. Thanks a mill!

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Phaethon said:
You can't actually sterilize the surface of the SHIP (or anything else) with alcohol, and you can't safely flame it, so you're shoving a needle through a likely bacterial vector. Opening the jar exposes it to whatever is in the air, but with a SAB that is generally low risk because the suspended stuff will stay suspended rather than added to liquid and poured onto your sterile grains.

fahtster uses SHIPs, but with a novel steam sterilization pen setup.



I’ve used that steam pen tek quite a bit, one of my favorites. I happen to have had the same tabletop vape as faht and it’s really simple to put together and use once you get the hang of it.

BeefSupremeJr said:
just a quick fyi:

bods unmodified "tek" was never meant to be a tek.  He states this right away in the writeup.  He just did it to show that it could be done.

in my opinion, there are far better tub designs.  Ive thought about doing a writeup on my own tubs but it seems silly.  its a 16q or 20q tub with pastys ez dial hole pattern.  thats it. no tape, no foam, no dickering around with the lid. set and forget.


EZ dials all the way, +1


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
just a quick fyi:

bods unmodified "tek" was never meant to be a tek.  He states this right away in the writeup.  He just did it to show that it could be done.

in my opinion, there are far better tub designs.  Ive thought about doing a writeup on my own tubs but it seems silly.  its a 16q or 20q tub with pastys ez dial hole pattern.  thats it. no tape, no foam, no dickering around with the lid. set and forget.


Can you “easy dial” a shoebox too? I’ve been using them unmodified but they seem to have way more airflow than the bigger tubs

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: NotWimbo] * 1
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Ive never done it. I dont really believe in shoeboxes.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: NotWimbo]
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NotWimbo said:
BeefSupremeJr said:
just a quick fyi:

bods unmodified "tek" was never meant to be a tek.  He states this right away in the writeup.  He just did it to show that it could be done.

in my opinion, there are far better tub designs.  Ive thought about doing a writeup on my own tubs but it seems silly.  its a 16q or 20q tub with pastys ez dial hole pattern.  thats it. no tape, no foam, no dickering around with the lid. set and forget.


Can you “easy dial” a shoebox too? I’ve been using them unmodified but they seem to have way more airflow than the bigger tubs


Are you using the purple handle ones?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Tri]
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nope.  too expensive and frankly too bulky.  i dont need that much headroom and i have to wonder: who does? i use either sterilite or target brand 16s.  cheap as possible .

i dont recommend drilling holes.  always gonna crack the tub thata way.  i melt mine outside with a hot screwdriver.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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So if I put food coloring in a LC, is it possible that the mycelium will discolor the LC and the same mycelium will also change color?






PD: I attached the photo of a LC that I have, the seller apparently used blue food coloring, and the mycelium started to grow red. Currently the LC is growing in a jar, the mycelium is healthy and growing after 7 days of grain inoculation

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
Ive never done it. I dont really believe in shoeboxes.


I don’t think you need to because the shoebox already gets enough air. Putting holes in it would dry it out even faster than it already does. I have to agree. I don’t think the shoebox is nearly as good as the tub because of that flaw. People just don’t care if those small containers close very tightly.

I want to see a link to smelly hobbits shoebox of choice.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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hi could you tell your opinion about my mycelium. it doesnt look so white and im not sure if it is ready

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: SWBZA] * 4
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SWBZA said:
Well, you see, there you have it - I mustn't play with the big boys if I don't have the big toys! Flow hood for Xmas, please friends. Crowd source me one

:awethumb:


To tell you the truth, almost nobody really needs a flowhood. The things one can accomplish with only a SAB are far beyond what most people consider possible.

-Bags can be done in a sab. I place mine over the kitchen sink to make it far higher for bags.

-lc can be done in a sab as well.

Just growing cubes, woodlovers, Pans and exotics?
You don't need a fh :wink:

Growing under 30 kg dry per year?
You don't need a flowhood :wink:

I could stretch this much further:)

Just making the point that the sab is much mightier than it is generally given credit for.


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