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Philcybin on Clonazepam.
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Heya. I have a question. I apologize in advance for the wall of text, but I've never done philcybin, and while researching it I've come across nothing but deadends and somehow made it here after a few days.

I was hoping I could get some help. I figured the more information I give you guys, the better. And hell, maybe it will find someone else who searched for answers in the future. This is about already being on a benzo (clinically/prescribed for years) and not mixing the two intentionally for the benefit.

I've never done any psychedelics. I'm in my 40s and have had a lot of problems throughout my life, especially with anxiety, panic attacks, and depression. The last 4 years I've felt as though I'm on my way out, and I've been disintegrating in health. I've been on meds for years--since I was in my teens, and I'm currently working on my 10th year using 1mg of klonopin daily just to be able to sleep. I was diagnosed ptsd, nervous/panic disorder when I was young, and though I fought them off the best I could by putting up a wall, and doctors prescribing SNRI after SSRI and mood stabilizers, etc, etc to help, I feel as though I am really, truly, at the end of the line now. To put it simply, the modern medical system has been of no help and I don't have the strength, will, or know-how, to magically fix myself.

In the back of my mind, I've always had this suspicion that psilocybin or some type of strong drug/outer body experience could help me understand myself and snap me out of my psychological problems, but I have fear, lots of fear about it. When I was around 14 I smoked some really strong weed and had my first panic attack that was half in consciousness and half out of it--not to mention plenty of other childhood hang ups, traumas, and problems related to gangs and family--but that incident was a small catapult into an awareness of mortality and fear inside of me. I tried weed later in life when I was older, but the anxiety always crept up, even if it wasn't a full panic attack it was enough to remind me of the powerful anxiety and weakness inside me, and it re-instilled the fear I have deep inside regarding drugs. I have been a slave to fears and my mental bullshit my entire life, and though I have never been against drug use, I've been afraid of them.

I'd like to say that I've grown beyond all that now, and my years of studying, growing, reading and listening to people like Jung, Alan Watts, and McKenna, etc have expanded my understanding, but really all they've done is put words to my feelings that I've always had, minus the major element: drugs. But, my fear and all my problems are still there, if not worse, and they have no intention of leaving.

The bottom line is I want to do psilocybin, I'm locked to this medication, all my friends are dead and gone, and I don't trust myself to do psilocybin alone (for hurting myself or something else). There are no places/studies to do it under positive supervision or with someone experienced, and if there is, I can't find any that are legit or will accept me.

So, what would be your suggestion to someone like me? I want out of my hell, I want to live what physical life I have left, in consciousness while being aware of the unconscious, and be okay with me. I want to be better. I don't want my fear anymore, I don't want my nerves and mental problems to control me anymore. I feel as though I haven't been living for my entire life, and that I've been walking around on eggshells as half a man.

I am lost. And am I crazy for thinking Psilocybin can help me? Am I even on the right path to understand and heal? Am I selfish for wanting and thinking I can be better? What guidance can you give to someone who wants to know but hasn't a goddamn clue about this? Also, if I were just to say fuck it and get a hold of some psilocybin, go alone somewhere and try to give it all up, is it safe while I'm on klonopin for so long? Is there anyone out there who has gone through this?

I need advice and I appreciate your input. I understand there are no "professionals" or anything, so you can give it to me straight. I'd rather have advice from people with experience and understanding than none at all.

Edited by bonobo79 (07/19/24 05:05 AM)

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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: bonobo79] * 3
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There’s no problems taking psilocybin containing mushrooms while on benzos, but the benzos might dampen the trip a little. Maybe not so much if you’ve been on that dosage for a long time… I don’t know.

But heck yeah, it’s worth a shot mate.

You don’t need a trip sitter if you start low and work your way up, you’ll be just fine by yourself. Most people do psychedelics by themselves. Just be careful with your dosing and don’t drive a car and you’ll be fine. Make yourself a nice comfortable spot to sit down and trip while listening to some chill music.

I’d recommend getting off the benzos all together and just trip every now and then.

Harmalas, found in Syrian Rue and Banisteriopsis caapi, can also really help people through rough times. They’re powerful, natural antidepressants.

Welcome to the Shroomery! 👍👍


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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: bonobo79] * 1
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:whathesaid:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22644699#22644699

You already have the mentality to better yourself and have the will to keep living as well as the right to want that be the best possible life, With out (less) fear.  That is a positive selfish-ness.

Even microdoses have potential to help ppl in similar situations.

I hope the best for you, and if you do decide to follow this experience, we are all here help and share our experiences.
:vibin:

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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: Bardy]
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Bardy said:
There’s no problems taking psilocybin containing mushrooms while on benzos, but the benzos might dampen the trip a little. Maybe not so much if you’ve been on that dosage for a long time… I don’t know.

But heck yeah, it’s worth a shot mate.

You don’t need a trip sitter if you start low and work your way up, you’ll be just fine by yourself. Most people do psychedelics by themselves. Just be careful with your dosing and don’t drive a car and you’ll be fine. Make yourself a nice comfortable spot to sit down and trip while listening to some chill music.

I’d recommend getting off the benzos all together and just trip every now and then.

Harmalas, found in Syrian Rue and Banisteriopsis caapi, can also really help people through rough times. They’re powerful, natural antidepressants.


Thanks for the advice. Yeah, I've tried getting off it at least 3 times now over 10 years. It's been a major goal of mine and a nightmare. Probably harder than anything I've ever done in my life, and I'm determined to get off it. I'm actually hoping using psilocybin will help me with another attempt(?).

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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: bonobo79]
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It may help give you the will power to push through the hard times. It could give you a bright white light to aim for. It’s certainly not unheard of, but it’s not guaranteed. It’s still up to you.


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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: Bardy]
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Bardy said:
It may help give you the will power to push through the hard times. It could give you a bright white light to aim for. It’s certainly not unheard of, but it’s not guaranteed. It’s still up to you.

Over all, I just want to be better and have a life. If being able to see a light happens as well, I couldn't ask for more.

But as of now, I still haven't the slightest clue where to start. I guess here is my jumping point, I just need to figure out what I need to do.

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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: bonobo79]
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I guess you need to go find yourself some acid or some shrooms haha


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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: Bardy]
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When I was younger and still living on the streets by choice ( traveling age 16 to 24) I was prescribed Klonopin since age 7 for a sleep disorder,and you don't just stop taking thats tuff after years so I was on it u till 25 ish .... Homeless and living rough I NEVER enjoyed mushrooms one time!!! without taking KlonopinS, now I always learned amazing amounts about myself and it was therapeutic AND medical AND spiritual BUT it was not fun unless I had Klonopin or Xanax or whatever.... Now I love myself and actually ENJOY boomers without any drugs to numb my anxiety, i still live with horrible depression and anxiety, but mushrooms helped me stop my heroin/fent/benzos addiction and get help now I take methadone and am almost 1.5 years clean..... But if YOU WILL BE 100% OK TO MIX K-PINS AND MUEHROOMS it will almost guarantee a good time, but may make it less soul searching ish, more fun less learning but you will always learn something from it what are you trying to accomplish?

Edited by naturesnordix (07/19/24 08:24 AM)

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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: naturesnordix]
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One time I was at a festival and did some boomers, only and eigth, had a horrible ( not bad but just aweful haha) soul searching trip continually walking in the cold around the trails not able to talk for hours, examining life choices, I was a H addict at the time and when the sun came up I felt like a new man, I DIDENT use, get sick or even think about useing for 3 days no repressions.... Of course I ended up going back because people places and things but it showed me I could stop, it wasent impossible.... I've always found the high doses ive taken have been more beneficial and life changeing but the smaller doses are the fun ones, even eating 5 gs over 8 hours is fun, do 5 gs at once and it will be less ""fun " and more beneficial in the end as long as you do it in a safe environment, (don't eat mushrooms and play on the road kids, dont run twords the pretty lights)

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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: naturesnordix]
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Also pre roll you joints because trying to roll one faced is really hard lol

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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: Bardy]
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Any suggestions on the type for your first? Aren't some breeds stronger than others, and some have bad nausea effects, etc? I really want to make sure I'm in the right space and place.

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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: bonobo79]
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To which do you have access,  Or are you planning on cultivating?

Cubes are the easiest for cult, maybe not the most gentle on stomach. But unless you're overly sensitive in the digestive track, it's not much to concern yourself with.

penis envy varieties are usually considered more potent but possibly too potent for a solo first try.

Ps. Subtropicalis is more potent (theorized to have higher maoi contents) also general consensus is easier on the stomach.

I get a little (very minimal) anxious on the come-up. so it's good to have your mind otherwise occupied/engaged

Making a tea with lemon and filtering out the solids is better on the stomach and anxiety.

You could also start with mini or micro doses.
I think (in my not professional opinion) that this will be of greater benefit to your situation, IN THE BEGINNING...

To allow you to ease into the effects as well as gain a positive connection with "the drug" label/association perceived.


By all means I'm not trying to dissuade you from tripping, nor am I  encouraging you to take my words with anything more than a grain of salt. DYOR

Any cubensis will be sufficient, it's just a matter of dialing in the amount per oneself.

Most ppl usually when trying a new type, start lower with an additional amount to top-off after effects become apparent (or not) if it's not as profound as expected/wanted.

Example: subtropicalis - 0.75g at first with an additional 0.5g ready if the need arises.

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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: LewDoja]
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I would highly advise not to get bogged down in all the bullshit about strengths and minor difference in effects. The only thing that matters is species. Some species have twice the amount of psilocybin as others, so it is worth knowing which species you have.

But to answer your question, no, it does not matter which type you start with. I started with the one of the strongest species known to man and it was fine.

It’s simple. It’s all about dosage. If you have stronger shrooms you simply need to eat less.

How do you know how strong your shrooms are? You never do. This is why you take a smaller amount to begin with.

It is impossible to know ahead of time what a trip will bring you or exactly how high you’re going to be from 2g of dried mushrooms. You just need to research the average amount needed for whatever strength trip you want, low ball your dose and go from there.

Also,
Nausea comes with the territory of tripping. You might get it, you might not. It probably won’t matter which type of shrooms you eat.


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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: Bardy]
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This is the Magic Mushroom Dosage Calculator.

https://www.shroomery.org/6257/Magic-Mushroom-Dosage-Calculator

Use it to figure out roughly how much you should eat to achieve a certain level of trip.

Whatever dose you end up eating, it’ll be good for you.

I wouldn’t bother starting with micro dosing either. I don’t think it’s beneficial at all for addiction. The heavier experience is what is needed I think.


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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: Bardy]
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LewDoja


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Bardy said:
This is the Magic Mushroom Dosage Calculator.

https://www.shroomery.org/6257/Magic-Mushroom-Dosage-Calculator

...

This is great info, thanks. I need to go about figuring out how to find a reliable source and get them. I'm literally a babe in the woods here. Cultivating seems to be out of the question, because I live in the city, and no matter how much I learn I still feel as though I don't know a damn thing about mushrooms, much less in my ability to grow them correctly.

I only mentioned the nausea because I do have a sensitive stomach, and I'm worried that might control my trip, if that makes any sense.

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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: bonobo79]
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Current science shows that higher doses are needed to really get the benefits out of the psychedelic experience, especially it has been demonstrated with psilocybin, not so much with LSD and that just had to do with time constraints. It's a lot easier to do studies with a drug that lasts anywhere from 3-6 hours (lemon tek noticeable reduces duration but increases intensity)

I highly recommend psilocybin if you are a high-anxiety depressed individual. I was diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder, alongwith major depressive disorder and I beat all of this with 4-6 yearly psilocybin trips along with supplemental LSD trips throughout the year as needed.

I can honestly say after a high dose of psilocybin my brain is completely free of anxiety for almost an entire month afterward, it truly is a magical substance, the experience itself can be challenging but you are already going through a challenging life mate, if you made it this far I know you are a trooper.

Don't give up mate, the fact you are trying to better yourself shows me you have the will to do what you need to do to get better.

I can't promise you will have a good time, but I can promise that the science behind how psiliocybin works is truly something else to behold a marvel of our times are truly a boon to humanity in terms of aiding mental health.

I hope the best for you mate and welcome to the shroomery, I hope you find what you need from here, I know I did.


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Spread kindness, love, empathy, compassion.

Learn from mistakes. Try and do better. Each day is a new day, try to make it a better one.

Coconut and Avocado is awesome for the skin.

MIND OVER MATTER

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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: TrancedOutBrah] * 2
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I really hope so. Thanks for the kind words. That means a lot more to me than you'll ever know.

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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: bonobo79] * 1
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You'll find a lot of people here will relate to having mental health issues. Not everyone understands what it's like to suffer from high anxiety and depression (and thankfully so - it's a lot of unnecessary suffering).

Benzos might "dull" a trip a little bit, but it's quite often overstated. You will absolutely still trip while on benzos or even if you take one. They just make you more relaxed and make the experience easier to digest. Sometimes it's necessary to have a challenging trip in order to see what you need to work on in order to improve yourself.

There's never been a trip I regret taking. Not one. Not even the ones that I curled up in pure terror because I had made a mistake. I learned from my mistakes and vowed never to make the same kind of mistake. It's all a learning process and emotional decompression.

Getting that emotional release is so cathartic, it's a blessing.


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Lead by example, words mean little when your actions don't reflect what you say.

Spread kindness, love, empathy, compassion.

Learn from mistakes. Try and do better. Each day is a new day, try to make it a better one.

Coconut and Avocado is awesome for the skin.

MIND OVER MATTER

:mushroom2::lsd:

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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: TrancedOutBrah] * 2
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The depression and anxiety becomes very apparent in hindsight, especially after or during a trip. People are notoriously bad at understanding themselves


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Re: Philcybin on Clonazepam. [Re: Blueberry Muffin]
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Blueberry Muffin said:
The depression and anxiety becomes very apparent in hindsight, especially after or during a trip. People are notoriously bad at understanding themselves


Very true. I keep finding this with things all throughout my life haha. Often other people understand what I’m going through better than I do haha


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