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TeamAmerica
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: Ophanim]
#9352461 - 12/02/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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By taking a psychadelic you are diving into new territories of your brain, anxiety or deppression may be part of this, as well as love, hope, imagination, etc...More madness and anxiety is caused by the fear of madness, dont let your pre-concieved ideas rule your thoughts about how "normal" your mind should be, go with it, dont freak out, I know it can be hard, but you can overcome it. Its just as much about you as it is the psychadelic.
I think this video by Terrence will help you out a little...
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: TeamAmerica]
#9352889 - 12/02/08 06:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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lsd is a psychedelic substance which occasionally causes psychotic behavior in people who have not taken it
haha good shit
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jazzillion
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: TeamAmerica]
#9352906 - 12/02/08 06:17 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Any anxiety that stirs out of my marijuana use is usually because of being high out in public frequently and it makes me hesitant.
I'd supplemented with 5-HTP to help induce more rem and deeper sleep cycles when I go to sleep medicated (which is about 6 days out of the week) and balance my mood. My issue with it is it makes me groggy and extremely lethargic. It makes it hard to wake up, hard to stay awake, and hard to become clear headed first thing in the morning, which results in even more anxiety and frustration. I find myself to be easily effected my anything that alters my brain chemistry, and 5-HTP doesn't sit right with me. However, I haven't tried melatonin, which I've heard good things about.
I have mild depressive spurts for which I medicate to mitigate my symptoms, but side effects from the marijuana do make it better and worse from time to time. I find Ginkgo Biloba and eating a lot of Omega fatty foods, as well as cutting back on pot when need be, and excercising and spending more time outdoors helps a lot more than 5-HTP does. I also find not sleeping too much helps as well as avoiding caffeine, but I love my caffeine.
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Beege
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: jazzillion]
#9353176 - 12/02/08 06:44 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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this thread title is misleading, it somehow implies that mushrooms and marijuana cause anxiety, when FME, both substances do the exact opposite.
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TeamAmerica
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: Beege]
#9353234 - 12/02/08 06:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Beege said: this thread title is misleading, it somehow implies that mushrooms and marijuana cause anxiety, when FME, both substances do the exact opposite.
It all just depends.
I agree though, Both are the best medication for feeling hopeless or anxious, But they can also bring out the same thing in you, as I said before, Its about you just as much as its about the psychadelic.
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: Beege]
#9353236 - 12/02/08 06:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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^And thus, they don't cause anxiety in anybody?
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Beege
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: LSDreamer]
#9353247 - 12/02/08 06:51 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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LSDreamer said: ^And thus, they don't cause anxiety in anybody?
not that I've seen
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jazzillion
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: Beege]
#9353252 - 12/02/08 06:51 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Beege said: this thread title is misleading, it somehow implies that mushrooms and marijuana cause anxiety, when FME, both substances do the exact opposite.
Mushrooms and marijuana can cause anxiety and they can treat anxiety. They are interpretive substances that affect people differently, especially when used over time or in certain situations. Generalizations are irrelevant when discussing medical afflictions, symptomatology, and treatments.
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LSDreamer
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: Beege]
#9353259 - 12/02/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Beege said:
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LSDreamer said: ^And thus, they don't cause anxiety in anybody?
not that I've seen
Well, you clearly did just see it since you must have opened the thread to post in it.
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TeamAmerica
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: LSDreamer]
#9353268 - 12/02/08 06:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol ^
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Beege
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: LSDreamer]
#9353273 - 12/02/08 06:54 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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sounds more like deep-seated emotional problems rather than a negative effect of these substances
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LSDreamer
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: Beege]
#9353282 - 12/02/08 06:55 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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^So, you're really going to try to defend the position that neither weed nor mushrooms has ever, will never, and can never cause anxiety in any person?
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Beege
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: LSDreamer]
#9353288 - 12/02/08 06:55 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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pretty much, yea.
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LSDreamer
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: Beege]
#9353310 - 12/02/08 06:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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^That is so completely ridiculous that I don't even know how to begin to respond. I'm not even sure how you can reconcile that view with reality. Do you write off every reported instance of it as the user's fault that has nothing to do with the drug? Do you assume everyone who says this happens to them is lying? Or stupid? Or insane?
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Beege
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: LSDreamer]
#9353327 - 12/02/08 06:59 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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No I think they are probably misunderstanding the cause of the problem.
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TeamAmerica
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: TeamAmerica]
#9353333 - 12/02/08 06:59 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think how we perceive things causes the anxiety.
Marijuana or Mushrooms may lead to anxiety about the feelings it gives you, but could I say that they dont directly cause anxiety?
I think that's viable
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LSDreamer
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: TeamAmerica]
#9353350 - 12/02/08 07:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've had panic attacks on mushrooms over absolutely nothing. No basis, no deep seated emotional problem, just outright full blow, senseless, baseless panic and fear. To say that it's impossible for mushrooms to cause anxiety is ludicrous.
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Beege
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: LSDreamer]
#9353370 - 12/02/08 07:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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sure while you were on it, my point is they don't cause lasting anxiety problems. Reoccurring anxiety stems from deep-seated emotional problems in the sub-conscious, not mushrooms.
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LSDreamer
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: Beege]
#9353396 - 12/02/08 07:05 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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^Sure they can. For example, an especially horrifying mushroom trip could cause PTSD and every time the person, for example, was in a room similar to the one they were in during the trip, they could have a panic attack. I guess you could say that's deep-seated subconscious emotional problems, but that would be some pretty heavy semantics manipulation.
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Re: 5-HTP for individuals with Marijuana/Mushroom-induced anxiety or depression [Re: LSDreamer]
#9353408 - 12/02/08 07:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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psh, please
The only reason they would have a "horrifying mushroom trip" is if their life already sucked and they were abusing the mushrooms. A "bad trip" is nothing more than a difficult learning experience.
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