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OfflineSquattingMarmot
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Michael Moore Hates America
    #2863587 - 07/07/04 02:40 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Has anybody else seen previews for this "rebuttle" film for F9/11?

http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/

Its pretty sad when they have to use an ad-hominen attack in the title of the film. I just came back from seeing F9/11 and IMO, is a very patriotic film that criticizes the Bush admin and its policies, not America itself. Tomorrow night (Wed, July 7th) on the Daily Show they're doing a clip about this movie, it looks funny as hell.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2863867 - 07/07/04 06:20 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

At least he goes challenged.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2863873 - 07/07/04 06:22 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

At least now we can say everyone who hates Michael Moore loves this fag!  :laugh:


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2863921 - 07/07/04 06:52 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

SquattingMarmot wries:

Its pretty sad when they have to use an ad-hominen attack in the title of the film.

Huh? That's not an ad hominem. "Stupid White Men" -- now that's an ad hominem.

Besides, Moore does hate America -- at least his many public statements on the subject make it abundantly clear he does.

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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: Phred]
    #2864128 - 07/07/04 10:20 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

If he hated america, wouldn't he put out a movie promoting bush?


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: Worf]
    #2864167 - 07/07/04 10:40 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

> If he hated america, wouldn't he put out a movie promoting bush?

Wouldn't make as much money.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: Phred]
    #2864270 - 07/07/04 11:21 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

pinksharkmark said:
Besides, Moore does hate America -- at least his many public statements on the subject make it abundantly clear he does.



How so? I'm sure you're aware that criticism of one's country is not the same as hating it.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2864300 - 07/07/04 11:30 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

at first I was thinking that this movie was just going
to be a pile of GOP crap, but they had the maker of
the film on conway and steckler last week...

he was actually very levelheaded and far from shrill.

I'm kind of curious to see what he does with this film.

although, if it's just more of the 'Moore lies by edit'
bullshit, I'll take a crap in the aisle and leave.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: afoaf]
    #2864373 - 07/07/04 11:57 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

There are of course already numerous articles showing it to be just that.

And to be fair, others showing it's not.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2864602 - 07/07/04 12:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I don't understand this discussion of whether Moore is lying, or is against America, or is too Liberal, or whatever.

The Farenheit 9/11 film was all actuall footage of things that were actually documented occurring.
Then we get a comment from the presidency claiming that it was "fiction"
I don't get it. Someone enlighten me.

The movie obviously had a clear bias (what with all the tear-jerker scenes and such), but it was all presented by facts, not exaggerations.

Who cares if Moore has his own personal liberal agenda, or is getting rich off the movie, or whatever the fuck...

Bottom line, Farenheit 9/11 shows that the current administration is lying through their teeth to the American people about very serious life or death issues, which was what the movie was all about. If someone can refute this statement, I'd be eager to hear it. Really.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: Grav]
    #2864612 - 07/07/04 12:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Moore is a master of making you think his way is the only way.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2864644 - 07/07/04 01:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"Michael Moore Hates America" ?????


Is that the best they can do???
:lol: :lol: :lol:


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Its like the dying screams of dinosaurs.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: Grav]
    #2864658 - 07/07/04 01:06 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

> but it was all presented by facts, not exaggerations.

This is my main gripe with Moore... he exaggerates facts to mislead people into following his line of reasoning. Show me the facts and let me decide if I want to think as you... don't try to slight-of-edit different speaches together, etc...

> Bottom line, Farenheit 9/11 shows that the current administration is lying through their teeth to the American people about very serious life or death issues, which was what the movie was all about.

Yes it does... I just wish I could trust Moore enough to accept it as accurate, rather than sensationalized hype... I am not saying F911 is accurate or is hype, but rather that I cannot trust Moore to provide me something that isn't hype.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: Redo]
    #2865455 - 07/07/04 04:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

how, exactly, can you reinterpret the facts?


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: afoaf]
    #2865566 - 07/07/04 05:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Seuss, I totally agree with you about the editing trick stuff, and how Moore wants to present things a certain way, His way.

But regardless, the film shows some black & white information that is liberated from any sort of personal bias. It also shows footage that you just can't see anywheres else. Mainly Iraqi war clips that give you a little reality check of what's actually happening.

It's obvious Moore WANTS you to hate the administration, but damn he gives some pretty solid reasons to do so.

Though, I also think it's good to be wary of his information, Anyone's information. No matter how Righteous they appear. It's good practice to assume everyone is lying to you because they probably are.

But some film footage just doesn't lie any way you look at it.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: Grav]
    #2865603 - 07/07/04 05:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I mean c'mon.
It needs to be said, and said loudly all over the world.

They lied and sent people to death for personal profit.

"Oh well" if we have to put up with his editing tricks. The overall message is clear.. our country is led by thieves and liars. I'm not idealistic enough to think that this information will actually change anything, but atleast it's becoming more available and LESS corrupt.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: afoaf]
    #2865845 - 07/07/04 06:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
how, exactly, can you reinterpret the facts?




Well the Bush Admin stated only facts but for some reason a great deal of people seem to think they lied numerous times.

Its funny how Moore uses tactics that are Similar to the Bush Admin's to deceive people. I really have no idea why some people are unable to realize it.

I mean i see all the bullshit mixed in with good stuff from Hanity and Colmes, Coulter, and O'Reilly. Moore is not a saint.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: d33p]
    #2865928 - 07/07/04 06:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

which facts did they state ?

(loose quotes)

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the vast majority of my tax cuts go to the middle class

saddam has deadly WMDs, they're in the area in and
around tikrit. (rummy)

I'm a compassionate conservative dedicated to limited
federal government.

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the bush administration has made a living by ignoring,
suppressing and twisting the facts.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2865934 - 07/07/04 06:58 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

rupert murdoch hates america, that is why he is ruining it with all the right-wing pro-christian propganda on fox spews


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: afoaf]
    #2866034 - 07/07/04 07:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
which facts did they state ?

(loose quotes)

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the vast majority of my tax cuts go to the middle class

saddam has deadly WMDs, they're in the area in and
around tikrit. (rummy)

I'm a compassionate conservative dedicated to limited
federal government.

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the bush administration has made a living by ignoring,
suppressing and twisting the facts.




Of course, they are politicians. Why don't you see that Moore is doing the exact same thing.


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