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pinksharkmark said:
Besides, Moore does hate America -- at least his many public statements on the subject make it abundantly clear he does.

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afoaf said:
how, exactly, can you reinterpret the facts?

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afoaf said:
which facts did they state ?

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the vast majority of my tax cuts go to the middle class

saddam has deadly WMDs, they're in the area in and
around tikrit. (rummy)

I'm a compassionate conservative dedicated to limited
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the bush administration has made a living by ignoring,
suppressing and twisting the facts.

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Swami said:
Why don't you see that Moore is doing the exact same thing.

To the best of my limited knowledge, Moore hasn't put us $1,000,000,000,000 in debt; pissed off many allies, gotten almost a thousand of our young men killed, dismantled the Constitution...

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Swami said:
I read and I obey.

This whole thread is a joke to compare a journalist/entertainer who has NO power over citizens, to an idiot bent on destroying an entire way of life.

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Besides, Moore does hate America -- at least his many public statements on the subject make it abundantly clear he does.

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Moore is a master of making you think his way is the only way.

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afoaf said:
except that moore's facts, by and large, ARE facts,
littered with melodrama, not make believe and out
right bullshit.

fact: bush sat on his duff

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fact: bush family has close ties to saudis

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fact: bush diverted resources from afghanistan and the
hunt for osama to take out saddam

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fact: saddam was not involved in 9/11

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fact: choicepoint and katherine harris illegally removed
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fact: the bush administration has motivated one of the
largest exoduses of commited public servants from their
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bush misrepresented his tax cuts, his war, his NCLB, CS
and HF initiatives to the point of plausibly deniable lies.

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fact: bush family has close ties to saudis

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fact: bush diverted resources from afghanistan and the
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This is not a fact. You are presuming that with the war in Iraq the US cut back on trying to find bin Laden. That is not true.

you are incorrect. .

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fact: saddam was not involved in 9/11

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This is a fact. Nobody said it was otherwise.
bush has implied that saddam and iraq could be linked to the bin laden and the terriost attacks.

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fact: choicepoint and katherine harris illegally removed
eligible voters from the florida voter roles

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This is not a fact, this is your allegation.
you are incorrect. This is a fact.

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fact: the bush administration has motivated one of the
largest exoduses of commited public servants from their
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I don't know for sure, but this would seem to be a gross exageration.
I know he used some big words and fancy sentence structure but this too is also correct.

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bush misrepresented his tax cuts, his war, his NCLB, CS
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Those are not 'facts' either.
you are incorrect again.

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afoaf said:
except that moore's facts, by and large, ARE facts,
littered with melodrama, not make believe and out
right bullshit.

fact: bush sat on his duff

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That is one interpretation. The fact is: he did not immediately react to a brief that a plane had hit the World Trade Center.

he knew going in that one had hit and continued to sit there after he was notified that the second had hit....again...sat on his duff.

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fact: bush family has close ties to saudis

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That doesn't really matter. If my family has ties to Ireland does that make me complicit with the IRA?

it does when you've been coddling the Saudis even in the face of our WOT, remember 15 out of 19, royal funding for Al Queda and all that jazz

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fact: bush diverted resources from afghanistan and the
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This is not a fact. You are presuming that with the war in Iraq the US cut back on trying to find bin Laden. That is not true.

enjoy!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=resources+diverted+from+afghanistan&spell=1

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fact: saddam was not involved in 9/11

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This is a fact. Nobody said it was otherwise.

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fact: choicepoint and katherine harris illegally removed
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This is not a fact, this is your allegation.

Greg Palast's The Best Democracy Money Can Buy

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fact: the bush administration has motivated one of the
largest exoduses of commited public servants from their
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I don't know for sure, but this would seem to be a gross exageration.

google search, I'm pressed for time, but I produced a sizeable
body of information on this claim in a recent thread, I'll dig for it later

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bush misrepresented his tax cuts, his war, his NCLB, CS
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Those are not 'facts' either.

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fact: bush sat on his duff

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That is one interpretation. The fact is: he did not immediately react to a brief that a plane had hit the World Trade Center.

he knew going in that one had hit and continued to sit there after he was notified that the second had hit....again...sat on his duff.

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Heres an interesting video clip about this from the CBC, one of Canada's news networks.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/bushsawfirstplane1.ram

Seems like Bush can't keep his story straight.