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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: d33p]
    #2866084 - 07/07/04 07:44 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

except that moore's facts, by and large, ARE facts,
littered with melodrama, not make believe and out
right bullshit.

fact: bush sat on his duff

fact: bush family has close ties to saudis

fact: bush diverted resources from afghanistan and the
hunt for osama to take out saddam

fact: saddam was not involved in 9/11

fact: choicepoint and katherine harris illegally removed
eligible voters from the florida voter roles

fact: the bush administration has motivated one of the
largest exoduses of commited public servants from their
positions in government

bush misrepresented his tax cuts, his war, his NCLB, CS
and HF initiatives to the point of plausibly deniable lies.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: d33p]
    #2866153 - 07/07/04 08:03 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Why don't you see that Moore is doing the exact same thing.

To the best of my limited knowledge, Moore hasn't put us $1,000,000,000,000 in debt; pissed off many allies, gotten almost a thousand of our young men killed, dismantled the Constitution...


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: Swami]
    #2866178 - 07/07/04 08:08 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Swami said:
Why don't you see that Moore is doing the exact same thing.

To the best of my limited knowledge, Moore hasn't put us $1,000,000,000,000 in debt; pissed off many allies, gotten almost a thousand of our young men killed, dismantled the Constitution...




I'm sure you are only trying to be funny, but could all the left-leaning people on this board improve their reading comprehension skills.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: d33p]
    #2866199 - 07/07/04 08:12 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I read and I obey.

This whole thread is a joke to compare a journalist/entertainer who has NO power over citizens, to an idiot bent on destroying an entire way of life.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: Swami]
    #2866234 - 07/07/04 08:22 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
I read and I obey.

This whole thread is a joke to compare a journalist/entertainer who has NO power over citizens, to an idiot bent on destroying an entire way of life.




You see this is what im talking about, those reading comprehension skills. We were not comparing Moore to Bush. We were comparing the similarities in their propaganda tactics.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: d33p]
    #2866267 - 07/07/04 08:31 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

We were comparing the similarities in their propaganda tactics.

Uh huh. Like comparing Mike Tyson's right cross to that of a school childs. They both use the same muscles.

Where then is the film of Moore promising to find Osama Bin Laden at all costs and then dismissing it's importance?


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: Phred]
    #2868238 - 07/08/04 11:19 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Besides, Moore does hate America -- at least his many public statements on the subject make it abundantly clear he does.




Sources? I'd like to see these "abundantly clear" statements.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: Vvellum]
    #2868340 - 07/08/04 11:45 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

apparently making statements criticizing the
american corporate establishment or the
corruption in our government equates to
hating america itself.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: afoaf]
    #2868390 - 07/08/04 12:11 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

it's abundantly clear that you're either with us or against us.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: Vvellum]
    #2868527 - 07/08/04 01:08 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I'll smoke you out of your hole....

or smoke out of your hole...

or, something like that.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2868891 - 07/08/04 03:18 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

In the end, what is, is.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: Redo]
    #2869354 - 07/08/04 05:48 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Moore is a master of making you think his way is the only way.




Nobody MAKES anyone think anything. F9/11 is just an editorial. Moore has his opinions about Bush and the Iraq war, and he's presenting them to anyone who wants to hear them. Listen to what he has to say about the issue, listen to what Donald Rumsfeld or George Bush has to say about it, and decide for yourself.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #2869447 - 07/08/04 06:27 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

you may as well be pissing in the wind, homie.

where you been?


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: afoaf]
    #2869502 - 07/08/04 06:46 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I recently bought Michael Moore's book 'Stupid White Men' when I found out it contained a chapter called 'Kill Whitey' in it. I want to scan a couple pages and post it on the internet in a couple places. It appears Michael Moore hates white people, too, even if he himself is white. The whole chapter is a soapbox diatribe on how bad white people are and how badly they have treated him and how black people and other minorities are subjected to all kinds of propaganda.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: afoaf]
    #2869574 - 07/08/04 07:10 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
except that moore's facts, by and large, ARE facts,
littered with melodrama, not make believe and out
right bullshit.

fact: bush sat on his duff




That is one interpretation. The fact is: he did not immediately react to a brief that a plane had hit the World Trade Center.

Quote:

fact: bush family has close ties to saudis




That doesn't really matter. If my family has ties to Ireland does that make me complicit with the IRA?

Quote:

fact: bush diverted resources from afghanistan and the
hunt for osama to take out saddam




This is not a fact. You are presuming that with the war in Iraq the US cut back on trying to find bin Laden. That is not true.

Quote:

fact: saddam was not involved in 9/11




This is a fact. Nobody said it was otherwise.

Quote:

fact: choicepoint and katherine harris illegally removed
eligible voters from the florida voter roles




This is not a fact, this is your allegation.

Quote:

fact: the bush administration has motivated one of the
largest exoduses of commited public servants from their
positions in government




I don't know for sure, but this would seem to be a gross exageration.

Quote:

bush misrepresented his tax cuts, his war, his NCLB, CS
and HF initiatives to the point of plausibly deniable lies.




Those are not 'facts' either.


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2869638 - 07/08/04 07:26 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Divided_Sky said:
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Quote:

fact: bush family has close ties to saudis





Quote:

fact: bush diverted resources from afghanistan and the
hunt for osama to take out saddam




This is not a fact. You are presuming that with the war in Iraq the US cut back on trying to find bin Laden. That is not true.

you are incorrect. .

Quote:

fact: saddam was not involved in 9/11




This is a fact. Nobody said it was otherwise.
bush has implied that saddam and iraq could be linked to the bin laden and the terriost attacks.

Quote:

fact: choicepoint and katherine harris illegally removed
eligible voters from the florida voter roles




This is not a fact, this is your allegation.
you are incorrect. This is a fact.

Quote:

fact: the bush administration has motivated one of the
largest exoduses of commited public servants from their
positions in government




I don't know for sure, but this would seem to be a gross exageration.
I know he used some big words and fancy sentence structure but this too is also correct.

Quote:

bush misrepresented his tax cuts, his war, his NCLB, CS
and HF initiatives to the point of plausibly deniable lies.




Those are not 'facts' either.
you are incorrect again.




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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: Ed1]
    #2869802 - 07/08/04 08:12 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

haven't read it....


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2869870 - 07/08/04 08:33 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Divided_Sky said:
Quote:

afoaf said:
except that moore's facts, by and large, ARE facts,
littered with melodrama, not make believe and out
right bullshit.

fact: bush sat on his duff




That is one interpretation. The fact is: he did not immediately react to a brief that a plane had hit the World Trade Center.

he knew going in that one had hit and continued to sit there after he was notified that the second had hit....again...sat on his duff.

Quote:

fact: bush family has close ties to saudis




That doesn't really matter. If my family has ties to Ireland does that make me complicit with the IRA?

it does when you've been coddling the Saudis even in the face of our WOT, remember 15 out of 19, royal funding for Al Queda and all that jazz

Quote:

fact: bush diverted resources from afghanistan and the
hunt for osama to take out saddam




This is not a fact. You are presuming that with the war in Iraq the US cut back on trying to find bin Laden. That is not true.

enjoy!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=resources+diverted+from+afghanistan&spell=1


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fact: saddam was not involved in 9/11




This is a fact. Nobody said it was otherwise.

Quote:

fact: choicepoint and katherine harris illegally removed
eligible voters from the florida voter roles




This is not a fact, this is your allegation.

Greg Palast's The Best Democracy Money Can Buy

Quote:

fact: the bush administration has motivated one of the
largest exoduses of commited public servants from their
positions in government




I don't know for sure, but this would seem to be a gross exageration.

google search, I'm pressed for time, but I produced a sizeable
body of information on this claim in a recent thread, I'll dig for it later


Quote:

bush misrepresented his tax cuts, his war, his NCLB, CS
and HF initiatives to the point of plausibly deniable lies.




Those are not 'facts' either.




I did not preface that phrase with 'fact', that's my
summary of the aforementioned information, which, as it turns
out, are facts


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: afoaf]
    #2871473 - 07/09/04 02:51 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
Quote:

Divided_Sky said:
Quote:

afoaf said:

fact: bush sat on his duff




That is one interpretation. The fact is: he did not immediately react to a brief that a plane had hit the World Trade Center.

he knew going in that one had hit and continued to sit there after he was notified that the second had hit....again...sat on his duff.







Heres an interesting video clip about this from the CBC, one of Canada's news networks.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/bushsawfirstplane1.ram

Seems like Bush can't keep his story straight. :rolleyes:


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Re: Michael Moore Hates America [Re: Phred]
    #2871507 - 07/09/04 02:59 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I agree, the name of the movie isn't an ad-hom attack, I'm not sure why I wrote that when I did. I was just so disgusted that they have to resort to challenging Moore's patriotism in the name of the movie. It just shows how desperate they've become I guess.

I would also like to see the sources or quotes you have of Michael Moore being Anti-American. He many be a lot of things but being un-patriotic isn't one of them.


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