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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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I remember a day when we all had to vote in person

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Joh.Ke]
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Joh.Ke said:
GenesisCorrupted said:
It happened on a large scale. Mostly in the swing states that actually decide who’s gonna be president. In our country most of our states are pretty set as either red or blue. Lots of the purple mailboxes vanished.
What a coincidence…



Wouldn't it be some kind of felony?  To interfere with the electoral process like that.  If Trump is truly found guilty of it, then he should go to jail.

Some people seem to think that I am a Trump supporter, I am not. I do not care whether he runs in 2024 one way or the other.


I hope genesis is just referring to gerrymandering and voter suppression. I believe the fake electors case is separate.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: sudly] * 2
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The guy literally said he would be a dictator on day one if reelected.
Maybe he can pull that off or maybe not but we know what his intentions are because he told us

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: sudly]
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Those were all separate things that he did.
But with a singular purpose in mind.


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Edited by GenesisCorrupted (12/10/23 08:13 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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Trump is implicated in the whole fake electors thing, but gerrymandering and voter suppression aren't necessarily to do with trump, but other Republican pundits.

Essentially, even without trump those would and do happen. There's a lot of dubious political tactics, pork barreling is another example.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: sudly]
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I think his dirty lawyer came up with the idea. But Trump is definitely the one who said we should go through with the fake elector plot. That’s on him.
At least it should be.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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The fake electors scheme is separate from voter suppression.

Despite trumps claims, there was no voter fraud outside of the 10 or so cases in any given year. Certainly no change.

The voter suppression takes form in more red tape to be able to cast a vote, making access to voting harder.

The 'stolen' mailboxes were from a paint and repair facility.

So I'm pretty sure the voter suppression wasn't from mailboxes being stolen, but from the ease of voting being made harder.

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Mr Trump has voiced concerns in recent weeks about Democrats’ push for expanded mail-in voting, arguing it will lead to a rise in voter fraud.

He argues he is not opposed to absentee ballots, which the voter must apply for, but rather universal mail-in voting schemes in states like California and Nevada, where ballots are automatically sent to every registered voter

“Especially since Reuters is a wire service, other news (organisations) are going to use these pictures as evidence of Trump tampering with the USPS. When it’s later revealed that it was just a place where mailboxes get refurbished, trust in news organisations is further eroded.”

A Reuters spokesperson told National Review that the initial captions only “provided brief details” and had now been updated. The captions now state that the boxes are stacked at a “sandblasting and painting company”, but adds “people who live nearby said the pile had grown noticeably larger in recent weeks”.

A fact check by USA Today noted that a Google Street View image from August 2019 shows stacks of mailboxes far larger than the ones in the viral photos. “The photo in question is of a vendor we have done business with for several years,” a USPS spokesperson said. “They are a contractor that repairs or destroys old collection boxes. They now make new collection boxes also. Photos such as this appear every couple of years.”

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/us-election-viral-photos-claim-donald-trump-stealing-mailboxes/news-story/aa5adb34049cb3b55ba1fef73da827a4?amp



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: sudly] * 1
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There was an election fraud in...what was it, Iowa? One of those bumfuck nowhere red states. Republicans tried to steal a congressional seat.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/22/iowa-woman-guilty-voter-fraud-republican-congress

Obviously, they got caught, because they're idiots. Last time they did this, in 2018, the managed to knock out a democratic representative for a year, and then steal the seat completely in 2019.

There's definitely fraud going on. The republicans are doing it every election. Why do you think I routinely call them criminal scum?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
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Yeah, not a lot of counts of voter fraud, definitely not a widespread epidemic.

Voter fraud is moot, voter suppression is rampant.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Yeatster] * 2
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Yeatster said:
I remember a day when we all had to vote in person


I remember that too. It sucked, and kept a lot of people from being able to vote.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Lynnch]
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Making mail in voting harder is a form of voter suppression.

Trump went on a lot about how the votes were in his favour earlier on voting day but then 'abruptly' changed.

He tried to frame the turning of a red wave as some kinda corruption, when the simple explanation is that the mail in votes were counted later.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Lynnch]
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Yeah, they close at 8 PM. People who waited all day long didn’t get to to vote.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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In Australia every school and plenty of community halls or local spaces become a voting center. The longest I've ever waited in line is under 10 minutes.

I think senior citizens were allowed a kind of text or electronic vote, but early polling centres were open around the place for a while before the election day too.

It's easy to vote here, generally there should be a place to vote within a 10 minute drive of wherever someone is, but if someone doesn't have their own transport they're not far on public transport.

Mail in votes are easy enough to do early on too. Just got to ask online or visit a post office I think.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Lynnch] * 4
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My wife dropped my mail in ballot cause I was recovering from surgery.

Should of stuffed my intestines back inside my abdominal cavity and boot strapped myself to the voting center.

I’m part of the woke conspiracy I guess.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: mushboy]
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They're puttin chem trails on the mail!

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said:
Fascists operate by the principle of Shroedinger's asshole. It's all a joke...until it isn't. This is why the ranks in the kkk are called wizards and dragons--it's to make them seem ridiculous, and therefore safe. It's why Hitler started his movement in beer halls, and continued his meetings in beer halls--to look like a bunch of weirdo drunks.

Then, suddenly, they drop the mask and start punching/gassing.


I wonder if you actually believe what you're saying about Donald Trump, though?

Fascism of today presents itself in a much different way than in the early 20th century. Modern Fascism uses flowery language, and promises to keep you safe, by taking away your rights.

The Democratic party is the party that is actively trying to take away your free speech rights. The Democrats are the ones that wanted to make medical treatments compulsory. The Democrats are the ones who fostered the Russiagate witch hunt, and are now weaponizing the justice system against their opposition.

The Nazis claimed to be a Socialist party. They pretended to be leftists, just like the Democrats pretend to be leftists.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Trump loves flowery language. He makes promises all the time. He just said that the Democrats want to outlaw Christmas.:shrug:
Also, Democrats aren’t burning books.
I’m not saying Democrats are blameless.
But Republicans are definitely the ones with a lot more fascist lean.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: sudly] * 1
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sudly said:
Making mail in voting harder is a form of voter suppression.

Trump went on a lot about how the votes were in his favour earlier on voting day but then 'abruptly' changed.

He tried to frame the turning of a red wave as some kinda corruption, when the simple explanation is that the mail in votes were counted later.


He also pushed laws that prevented the counting of mail in ballots before election day.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Kryptos said:
Fascists operate by the principle of Shroedinger's asshole. It's all a joke...until it isn't. This is why the ranks in the kkk are called wizards and dragons--it's to make them seem ridiculous, and therefore safe. It's why Hitler started his movement in beer halls, and continued his meetings in beer halls--to look like a bunch of weirdo drunks.

Then, suddenly, they drop the mask and start punching/gassing.


I wonder if you actually believe what you're saying about Donald Trump, though?

Fascism of today presents itself in a much different way than in the early 20th century. Modern Fascism uses flowery language, and promises to keep you safe, by taking away your rights.

The Democratic party is the party that is actively trying to take away your free speech rights. The Democrats are the ones that wanted to make medical treatments compulsory. The Democrats are the ones who fostered the Russiagate witch hunt, and are now weaponizing the justice system against their opposition.

The Nazis claimed to be a Socialist party. They pretended to be leftists, just like the Democrats pretend to be leftists.


No it doesn't. It presents itself the exact same way it did in the 1930s. It's a big roaring party. It's fun rallies. It's saying that trans and gay people are groomers and child molesters. It's saying that anybody that disagrees with them is the enemy. It's a projection of machismo, and a celebration of the id for those that can afford to be in the club. But even those that can afford the club are layered into the haves and the have nots.

All of this happened 100 years ago. All of it is happening today.

And just like the Nazis pretended to be socialists because the people liked socialist ideas, trump pretends to be a populist who cares about the people.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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GenesisCorrupted said:
Joh.Ke said:
GenesisCorrupted said:
It happened on a large scale. Mostly in the swing states that actually decide who’s gonna be president. In our country most of our states are pretty set as either red or blue. Lots of the purple mailboxes vanished.
What a coincidence…



Wouldn't it be some kind of felony?  To interfere with the electoral process like that.  If Trump is truly found guilty of it, then he should go to jail.

Some people seem to think that I am a Trump supporter, I am not. I do not care whether he runs in 2024 one way or the other.


Well, Trump actually put somebody in charge of the USPS. Who did not have the American voters best interest at heart. They had trump’s best interest at heart.
So they tried to justify it with some thin excuse. But they ended up stealing a lot of mailboxes that did not come back.

Some people in our country have to wait almost an entire day to go and vote in person.



Ahem...


https://about.usps.com/who/leadership/officers/pmg-ceo.htm


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