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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Will ask for clarification. I thought she knew guns. Illinois' assault rifle ban is only 11 months old, and if you already had one you can keep it if registered by next January.

Probably the issue here is that Illinois expanded the definition of assault rifles.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Wouldn't touch an AR15 for most mid + game hunting applications unless it was chambered for a 6.5mm Grendel.


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said:
Will ask for clarification. I thought she knew guns. Illinois' assault rifle ban is only 11 months old, and if you already had one you can keep it if registered by next January.

Probably the issue here is that Illinois expanded the definition of assault rifles.



Assault rifles have been banned nationwide for decades. You might be thinking of an assault weapon ban


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Yeah I think expended legal definition for assault rifle added what were previously called assault style rifles. Lots of regulations on how many in the clip, but how long does it take to change a clip? I guess the hero with the gun can take out the shooter, when reloading, keeping mass shotings in single digits.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
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Again, you're mixing up terms.  An "assault rifle" has selectable fire. The bans have been on "assault weapons" which have had many definitions, depending on the legislative body.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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I think there is a whole lot more mixing up terms than just me. Who decided there was one correct or accepted definition? People argue about and so do legal jurisdictions.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
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As far as I know, every definition of "Assault Rifle" includes select fire.  If I'm incorrect, feel free to link or cite a source that defines the term otherwise.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil] * 1
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the stg 44 was the first real assault rifle because it had select fire, compact design, high rate of fire and range.

from the wiki article.

Quote:
The variety in nomenclatures resulted from the complicated bureaucracy in Nazi Germany



hah. typical.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: mushboy]
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This post details a state's definition of assault weapons, which includes various semi-automatic firearms with specific features or configurations. The law categorizes rifles, pistols, and shotguns that can accept detachable magazines and have features like folding stocks, pistol grips, flash suppressors, or other enhancements that could increase firepower or usability. It also includes firearms with fixed magazines holding more than 10 rounds, short overall lengths, or certain model types manufactured before specific dates. The post lists numerous specific firearm models deemed assault weapons under the law, highlighting the broad and detailed nature of the regulation.

My state defines an assault weapon as any select fire, or fully automatic or "burst fire" weapon sure but it also includes:


Any semi-automatic centerfire rifle, regardless of the date produced, that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following features: 1) A folding or telescoping stock; 2) Any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, thumbhole stock, or other stock that would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing; 3) A forward pistol grip; 4) A flash suppressor; or 5) A grenade or flare launcher

A semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following features: 1) The ability to accept a detachable ammunition magazine that attaches at some location outside the pistol grip; 2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward pistol grip or silencer; 3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm without being burned (except a slide that encloses the barrel); or 4) A second hand grip


A semi-automatic shotgun that has both of the following features: 1) A folding or telescoping stock; or 2) Any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other stock, the use of which would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing

A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has: 1) a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition; or 2) an overall length of less than 30 inches


A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the ability to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition


A semiautomatic shotgun that can accept a detachable magazine; or a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Any semi-automatic firearm other than a pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun, regardless of the date produced, that has at least one of the following features:
any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock or any other stock, the use of which would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing;
an ability to accept a detachable ammunition magazine that attaches at some location outside of the pistol grip;
a fixed magazine with the ability to accept more than 10 rounds;
a flash suppressor or silencer, or a threaded barrel capable of accepting a flash suppressor or silencer;
a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm without being burned (except a slide that encloses the barrel);
a second hand grip; or
an arm brace or other stabilizing brace that could allow such firearm to be fired from the shoulder, with or without a strap designed to attach to an individual’s arm.

Any semi-automatic firearm, legally manufactured prior to September 13, 1994, that meets one of the two-factor criteria tests outlined in the law as it existed on January 1, 2013.

Certain other semi-automatic firearms listed by make and model.

Copies or duplicates of certain semi-automatic rifles, pistols, or shotguns that have the same capabilities of those firearms and that were in production prior to or on April 4, 2013.

Algimec Agmi

Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89

AK-47 or -74*

Holmes MP-83

AKM*

Intratec TEC-DC9 & AB 10*

AKS-74U*

Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion

American Spirit AR-15*

I.O. Inc. Hellpup AK-47*

AR-10 or -15*

I.O. Inc. PPS-43C*

ARM*

Iver Johnson enforcer model 3000

Armalite AR-180

IZHMASH Saiga AK*

Armalite M 15*

Kel-Tec PLR-16 Pistol*

Australian Automatic Arms SAP pistol

Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU rifles, and RFB*

Auto-Ordnance Thompson type

MAC-10, MAC-11, and MAC 11 carbine type

Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type

MAADI AK 47*

Barrett M107A1 or REC7*

MAK90*

Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1

Masterpiece Arms MPA pistols*

Beretta AR-70

Mini-Draco AK 47*

Beretta Storm*

MISR*

Bushmaster auto rifle

NHM90 & NHM91*

Bushmaster auto pistol

Norinco 56, 56S, 84S, & 86S*

Bushmaster Carbon 15*

Olympic Arms AR-15, A 1, CAR, PCR, K3B, K30R, K16, K48, K8, & K9 rifles*

Bushmaster XM 15 *

Poly Technologies AKS and AK 47*

Bushmaster ACR rifles*

Remington tactical Rifle Model 7615*

Bushmaster MOE rifles*

Rock River Arms LAR-47*

Calico Liberty III and III Tactical Pistols*

Rock River Arms LAR 15*

Calico Liberty 50, 50 Tactical 100, 100 Tactical, I, 1 Tactical, II and II Tactical Rifles*

Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model

Calico Models M-900, M-950, and 100-P

SA 85 or SA 93*

Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88

SAR-8, SAR-4800, SR9*

Chiappa Firearms Mfour-22*

Scarab Skorpion

Centurion 39 AK*

SIG 57 AMT and 500 series

Colefire Magnum*

SIG Sauer P516 and P556 pistols*

Colt AR-15

Sig Sauer 551-A1, 556, 516, 716, and M 400 Rifles*

Colt Match target Rifles*

SLG 95*

Colt Sporter

SLR 95 or 96*

Daewoo AR 100 and AR 110C*

Smith and Wesson M&P15 rifles*

Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2

Spectre Auto Carbine

Doublestar AR rifles*

Spectre auto pistol

Doublestar Corporation AR*

Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G3

DPMS AR-15*

Sterling MK-6 and MK-7

DPMS Tactical rifles*

Steyr AUG

Draco AK-47*

Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shot gun

DSA SA58 PKP FAL*

Thompson TA 5 pistols*

Encom MK-IV, MP-9, and MP-45

TNW M230 and M2HB*

Fabrique Nationale/F/N 308 Match and L1A1 Sporter*

USAS-12

Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC

UZI carbine

FAMAS MAS 223

UZI mini-carbine

Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT

UZI pistol

Federal XC-900 &XC-450

Valmet M62S, M71S & M78S*

Franchi SPAS-12 & LAW 12

Vector Arms AK-47 or UZI*

Galil AR & ARM

Velocity Arms VMA pistols*

Galil and Galil Sporter*

VEPR*

German Sport 522PK*

WASR-10*

Goncz High-Tech carbine

Weaver Arms Nighthawk

Gonz High-Tech long pistol

Wilkinson “Linda” pistol

HCR AK-47*

Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine*

Hi-Point Carbine Rifles*

WUM*

HK USC*

Yugo Krebs Krink*

HK-PSG-1*

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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We're not talking about assault weapons.  We're talking about assault rifles.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Yah didn't u read the thing any centerfire rifle with a grip  or folding stock is an assult rifle :facepalm:

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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no its not. your states laws are ignit dawg.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Yah didn't u read the thing any centerfire rifle with a grip  or folding stock is an assult rifle :facepalm:



Again, that's not what your post says.  It says "Assault Weapon."


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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a modified automatic pistol with an extended mag is an ar style assault rifle now.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: mushboy]
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To you, but not under any legal definition.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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So its an assault weapon that's a rifle which is commonly known to anyone that speaks English as an assault rifle :facepalm:

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28558304 -

You can make up definitions all you want, but it only serves to make your words have no meaning at all.  I've been here long enough to know that for you this isn't a concern.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil] * 1
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An assault rifle is an assault weapon, but an assault weapon isn't necessarily an assault rifle.
Assault weapon= blanket term for scary lookin guns
Assault rifle= fairly specific term

Now that that's cleared up, does anyone have something to add that hasn't been said a million times before on this beaten to death subject?

I do love gun nut videos where they lose their minds over the ATF definition of a short-barreled rifle

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Lynnch]
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Technically, I think an assault weapon should be the term for any weapon primarily designed to assault a defensive position.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Kryptos]
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The only true "a salt weapon"


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