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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Northerner] * 1
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People numb themselves with drugs because they are powerless and cannot handle how evil and terrible the world in which they live really is. This is basic.

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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Northerner] * 1
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Accusing me of apophenia? Go ahead, google it. I'm not drawing lines through disparate dots. What a joke!

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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Northerner] * 1
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This is the real source of a bad trip. My ex told me it himself. He was laying sobbing on the floor with 6 grams of cubensis inside him. And he moaned "This world is SO fucked up!" His father had passed away, and not just that. He saw a lot about what is actually happening.
I laid there with him on the cold tile and hugged and squeezed him. And later he told me that was the only thing that could have ever helped him in those moments. And it was totally silent.

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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Northerner]
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Northerner said:
What's any of that got to do with addiction? You're not making sense.

There's a million dots but no lines.


Someone's just on one.  There is clearly to room for discussion here


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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Blue_Lux]
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Blue_Lux said:
Check out when you get the chance what the percentage of recovery rate is for publicly and privately funded rehabs. It is close to 98% failure rate. Why is that? Oh, yes... people are debauched hedonists.... Right.... What I am saying is actually humanist. What you think you are saying is really an illusion and is just supportive of the greed of certain individuals profitting from fake psychology and re education camps back into slavery. Abraham Lincoln said wage work is tantamount to slavery. Then he was shot. Yes, alcohol if you did not know, numbs you. It is literally an anaesthetic. This isn't some self righteous grandstanding. This is basic analysis unadulterated and un-seduced.



You are talking to me?

I've been an addict and have successfully quit several really shitty substances such as alcohol and tobacco. Sober since 2016.

Please do not put words in my mouth or claim to know my thoughts. Smells like "self righteous grandstanding" to me. Denial at it's finest. I hope that one day you can stop lying to yourself.


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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Nichrome]
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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Nichrome] * 1
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I'm talking to anyone and everyone. I call it speaking ad apertum. It is called pure and total honesty to a free subject.

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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Blue_Lux] * 1
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And just to amend that... I don't like the term 'ex boyfriend.' We still talk, and we still care about each other, and my husband knows and understands completely. It is called care and concern. You don't cross someone out of your life whom you loved.. and once you truly love someone, that never disappears. Blahblah people 'move on'... and often to heartlessness. There is such a thing as staying true to love, even though it may take careful consideration. Anything that actually matters and is real is possible. It's just that so many people don't make the effort, and so people think many things are impossible, and they act as such, which reinforces the false notion that they are indeed impossible, and that there would be no point in trying at all. Etc. Etc. Yeah.

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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Blue_Lux]
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Blue_Lux said:
People numb themselves with drugs because they are powerless and cannot handle how evil and terrible the world in which they live really is. This is basic.


Some do. Most don't. Most who take drugs don't do it because of this.

Blue_Lux said:
Accusing me of apophenia? Go ahead, google it. I'm not drawing lines through disparate dots. What a joke!


Correct, no apophenia, no lines, there were not described connections at all. Just random dots all over the place.

Blue_Lux said:
This is the real source of a bad trip. My ex told me it himself. He was laying sobbing on the floor with 6 grams of cubensis inside him. And he moaned "This world is SO fucked up!" His father had passed away, and not just that. He saw a lot about what is actually happening.
I laid there with him on the cold tile and hugged and squeezed him. And later he told me that was the only thing that could have ever helped him in those moments. And it was totally silent.


This right here... What is the world? I really don't think you understand this primary thing in this context.

The world is not external. My world is not your world, and not the world of the person nearest you either.


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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Blue_Lux]
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Blue_Lux said:
I'm talking to anyone and everyone. I call it speaking ad apertum. It is called pure and total honesty to a free subject.


That's really weird.



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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Northerner] * 1
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If we are able to communicate ideas, we share the world.

Guarantee housing and universal basic income, guarantee that workers choose what is produced democratically for the benefit of their human race and community, guarantee access to affordable healthcare that doesn't bankrupt a 75 year old man and put him in a hotel which then puts him out on the streets! Guarantee an education not designed to put people in the hands of the rich who use them for their own interests. Guarantee freedom of speech, guarantee that elected officials will not be bribed against the wishes of their constituents. Guarantee a free internet and access to telecommunications not designed to program people. Guarantee that algorithms cannot be produced to hypnotize people and manufacture their consents. Guarantee the police are not pawns of corrupt lawyers and judges who own jails and imprison people for exploring their own consciousnesses! Guarantee that water is not poisoned. Guarantee that the soil is not poisoned. Guarantee communal food production and affordable access to healthy food. Guarantee that commercialized drugs cannot be pumped to people by fake experts owned by pharmaceutical executives, along with faulty medical devices manufactured specifically for poor people, reserving what actually works for the richest of the rich.

Legalize psychedelic paganism!

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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Blue_Lux]
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So you think that if there was your ideal society there would be no addiction?

You are so stunningly delusional it is actually hard to comprehend people like you exist.

edit: I must say that thinking this through, I honestly believe that this type of thinking/behavior is probably why we have the fuck world Blue_Lux is describing. Believing that you have some definite answer and then not willing to communicate with others because you are so blinded by your own hubris. 

Edited by Kiwi89 (11/25/23 04:29 PM)

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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Blue_Lux] * 2
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This is a thread about bad trips. Not an ambiguous thread where people talk at nobody specifically, in an effort to prove god knows what about how the whole world is fucked so everybody should just give in to addiction...

Are some mods going to handle this yet or what. Good lord.


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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Kiwi89]
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nothing is guaranteed, that's for sure, it's only promised as part of propaganda or sales pitches.

sometimes I think things are in constant renegotiation while the parts are wearing out.

I am happy about the coffee, fresh fruit and canned fish tho'


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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: redgreenvines] * 2
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I can’t speak for anyone else. I can say that whatever happened to my brain and spirit on the trips I’ve done dislodged whatever was going on that made me unable to stop drinking alcohol every day. I still have shitty days - and good ones too. But for the first time in 20 years, I don’t have to make sure I’ve got enough alcohol to make me pass out every day.  I’m not going to say I’m “cured,” but I just don’t think about it much anymore. I’ve lost 40 pounds and strengthened many of my relationships.

I’m still pretty shaken from that last trip, and I’ve had some other hard ones, but I wouldn’t take  them back to be back where I was 14 months ago. I’ve also had some pretty wonderful experiences.  Including  joining the community here, most of the time.  😂

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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Chelonia]
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Lovely and logical.

Good job.


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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: TheStallionMang] * 2
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TheStallionMang said:
Thank you, that was still helpful even if I don't think there's any chance they'll want to take doses that big


Please bear in mind that my research suggested that many people on long-term SSRIs need 30-50% more to get the same effect. I am pretty sure I fell into that category. So yes, that’s a huge dose, but not as huge as it would be on a regular brain. And I won’t take that much again, since I’m pretty sure my brain has returned to its normal state after being off of antidepressants for a good while.

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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Chelonia] * 1
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I have also noticed that people who have gone through prolonged adrenal fatigue also have a hard time trippin and tend to require a lot more of a dose and still don't get all the powerful subtle energy layers.


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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Chelonia] * 1
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Many people on long term SSRIs are completely immune to mushrooms. Neurochemistry is a hella complex topic that is really not well understood.

My wife was immune to mushrooms on one SSRI, another they just made her feel angry (odd I know) but LSD works great on her. Her last trip was actually enviable. She saw the universe and all its connections all at once.


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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Northerner]
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If she eats the L first do the mushrooms then work while in the throws of the L?

L folds cells in a special way...


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