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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BirkenSaft] * 2
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Water tub and patience and maintain surface conditions


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BirkenSaft] * 4
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Literally nothing. Chill out and go for a walk, ride a bike, fly a kite. Start more cakes.

Take your pick
BirkenSaft said:
Thanks but you repeat yourself.

My Questions doesnt get answered

ive read the water Tub tek 3 times now but still dont know what to do with my 5 day old vermi dunked cakes^^



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: bfraz411] * 1
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bfraz411 said:
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Thanks but you repeat yourself.

My Questions doesnt get answered



Should I go to fruiting conditions now?


Your question was answered, directly, by several people previously. We're not responsible for you ignoring the answers you're given, or if you happen not to like them. Asking the same question over and over again won't get you different answers. At least not from those with some idea of what they're talking about. Again, be patient, take note of what those with some experience are telling you, and understand that there are no separate so called fruiting conditions generally. It's quite simple and there's no need, or benefit, in complicating this.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AyePlus]
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why did i even ask?

What r these for answers?

i dont get it here^^

Question about this:
1. if I rebuild my box and put the 4 glasses in there as a fixation of the grid, do the glasses have to be filled with water?

1. should my cakes already soaked in water and rolled with vermiculite really need to be soaked again + rolled in unpasteurized coconut? I mean does that have to be? would not that be a bit too much? After all, they are already growing...

2. directly initiate fruiting, or give 2-5 days time with closed lid to grow through and then just put the lid on diagonally?


I read multiple times the watertubtek, but it dont answers my questions
so im as clever as before

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BirkenSaft] * 1
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I answered two of those questions previously here as I recall. They are pretty much all touched on in the Tek, which you claim to have read, and the responses to that writeup in the thread following. For example:

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When all cakes have been coated in coir place them in any Water Tub that works for you, as long as it's a 6 sided container with a lid that closes fully. Place a cookie rack or glass jars inside the tub for your cakes sit on and add 1 inch of water. Place the lid back on fully to restrict FAE as much as possible and within hours the fully saturated environment will already have triggered regeneration in all colonies.



If you then read through some of the later responses in that Tek thread, you'll have practical suggestions for your other questions. Good luck.


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Edited by johnukguy (05/10/23 12:31 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: johnukguy]
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We're talking completely past each other.
You claim I don't take the answers I get seriously
I do very well. But this does not solve my current problems, because I have no real approach to continue with the watertub technique. Due to repeated statements on my part.


in the watertubtek thread there is nothing about "you should water your 5-day-old cakes rolled in vermiculite again and then roll them in coir to give them a new birth".

My question with the lid and the growth time or directly with the lid open was also not answered.

Apparently I am too stupid for this forum here

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BirkenSaft] * 3
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It’s okay I’m too stupid too but I always post anyways just to spite everyone here.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BirkenSaft] * 4
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BirkenSaft said:
why did i even ask?

What r these for answers?

i dont get it here^^

Question about this:
1. if I rebuild my box and put the 4 glasses in there as a fixation of the grid, do the glasses have to be filled with water?

No, the 1 inch of water at the bottom of the tub is enough

1. should my cakes already soaked in water and rolled with vermiculite really need to be soaked again + rolled in unpasteurized coconut? I mean does that have to be? would not that be a bit too much? After all, they are already growing...

After you birth your cakes you rinse, soak for 24 hours and coat in hydrated coir (doesnt have to be pasturized), sit on rack above water with lid closed for 48 hours, open and leave the lid cracked with a small gap for FAE. Once you harvest a cake you start with rinse, soak... repeat


2. directly initiate fruiting, or give 2-5 days time with closed lid to grow through and then just put the lid on diagonally?

Keep the lid closed for 48 hours then flip it. Yes,its that easy

I read multiple times the watertubtek, but it dont answers my questions
so im as clever as before



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: mushboy] * 2
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mushboy said:
rumfor69 said:
:whathesaid: it'll go green soon just wait for it


i wouldnt wait id toss that immediately. in the compost pile ye be.


Yeah it’s out. I had a bad run last year and I’m super worried that the house is still super infested. I know trich lives everywhere but I think some areas are worse than others.

So I’ve changed everything. New jars. Switched to millet. Have run everything by the book. I thought the spawn looked great. Cleanest I’ve ever had. I was able to grow shoeboxes in that exact same space without trich.

The only thing that is the same is the 20 quart gasket bin. I’ve washed them and sprayed them out with bleach but I’ve always wondered if the actual foam gasket could be a source for trich. I have a couple more almost ready to send - I think I will try removing the gasket just to see

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mycodemus]
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Mycodemus said:
mushboy said:
hang on to it until its obvious or you see green.

right now its 'highly suspect'.


Thanks. Will do.

I know the rectangle is pretty dry, but I saw someone saying a few pages back not to mist while it’s still colonizing so I’m unsure what to do. The box itself is steamy.


More pics of the rectangle shoebox. Top three are in sunlight which are the streaks across, but the sub is definitely dry. What do?



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: MushyMom]
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Hi all,

Please could someone tell me what type of contam this is on my tub and whether it’s treatable or not? If not would it be safe to harvest the shrooms at the side of the tub?

Thanks

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: altford78] * 1
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altford78 said:
cozmyc said:
You have unwanted spores in there now, transfer asap and as slow and carefully as possible.


Will do! I'll just cut wedges from the prettiest cube myc the furthest away from the mold myc and see what grows.

Side questions, when we see the sporophores on mold is there a way to know if it has actually began sporulating? Like a visual cue or a timeframe? I tried googling but couldn't find much.

EDIT: No time for the transfer today, will have to wait like 12h or so, I really wonder what it's going to look like by then.


I did the transfers. There were some unexpected technical issues when the transfer wedge got stuck on the underside of the lid when I was wrapping the petris. :laugh2: Had to do some percussive maintenance, which got the transfer wedge unstuck, except now there's chunks of transfer agar everywhere .:rofl2: :facepalm:

I also did a naughty no-no and excised the mold. I'm just going to leave the dish alone now and see what happens to the myc.

Anyway, just wanted to share my progress, thank you everybody for the help, you rock :smile:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: omgflyingbanana] * 2
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omgflyingbanana said:
Been tearing my hair out trying to fight the ol' green monster. I'm no noob, I've been cultivating with great success for 4 years now, but I'm truly stumped right now. So I'm swallowing my ego and asking for help.

Culture on agar looks perfectly clean, but I usually transfer again to another plate just to be sure. Grain jars look and smell perfectly clean and I wait a few days after it is fully colonized to spawn. Coir is properly pasteurized (I've even tried PCing it out of desperation). Everything looks fine and the substrate fully colonizes with healthy and fast growth. Then BAM, green spot pops up out of nowhere.

I just dumped my 4th tub in a row. It has happened too often to be bad luck; clearly something is wrong. Any help is appreciated.


Thanks for the suggestions, guys. Here’s what I did:

* Started a new culture from spore.
* Inoculated a couple BRF cakes, planning on fruiting in-vitro to figure out if trich is coming from the culture itself or from the substrate/spawning process.
* Made some Muda bottles, same reason as above.
* Moved my tubs to a different room just in case.

Feeling a lot less frustrated and a lot more excited. I love learning and trying new things. Let me know if I missed anything :^)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nonagon] * 1
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johnukguy said:
What shoebox specific Tek are you thinking of using? In general the only major difference that I can think of is having a lower ratio of spawn to substrate perhaps. So 1:1, 1:2 at the most for questionable spawn.


Yeah cool, I'm gonna go with 1:1 for all of them. See how it goes.
Nonagon said:
stockw said:
Is the best practice for spawning slightly questionable spawn shoeboxes?

I ask because I've got quite a few jars which I'd now deem questionable after learning more from people here (some wet grain against glass) & a few more with uncolonised sections.

I'm not willing to ditch them all as I'd hope to get at least something.

Don't get me wrong I've definitely learnt from this & I understand clean spawn is king, but yeah, it's a lot of time & work to throw away for me.

If shoebox is the way forward, is there a particular tek specific to this situation? Casing layer or not, set & forget or not etc?

Thanks for all the help


A bit of clear bacterial gunk or a few partially colonized wet grains will likely colonize bulk and fruit decently. These usually recover slowly after a break and shake and do best with higher spawn ratios.

If significant portions are uncolonized they are more vulnerable to mold taking over and ruining any other spawn in the tub. I’d just scoop those areas out entirely while spawning.

Shoeboxes keep less of your eggs per basket in case one molds on you. I found some 2.2 L Tupperware containers where four of them fit a monotub perfectly for similar effect.


OK thanks for information, will try this out.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: johnukguy]
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johnukguy said:
There are no separate fruiting conditions anymore. Air and light are allowed from the get go. Don't use fans or heating mats. You don't need to fiddle with your SAB, just go get a cheap tub when you can. For the water tub, I'd recommend that you follow this Tek:

Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes


Well, it seems quite obvious that your statement is not entirely correct and cannot be applied to all the different species we are growing here without further consideration.
CO2 does play a certain role for  ideal growing conditions of mycelium and another for ideal growing conditions of fruit bodies.
This should seem pretty clear when you consider that in a natural situation mycelium grows underground while mushrooms grow above ground.

as a higher level of co2 is desirable during colonization it is less the case for fruiting. FAE can still not be ruled out as a pinning trigger (as far as i am informed) and although psilocybe cubensis is very easy to cultivate and forgiving, FAE seems to play an important role in going from "growing mushrooms" to maximizing flushes and therefore BE.
It's not my intention to provoque a discussion on the topic (too many opinions) but i can say from my personal experience that ideal colonization and fruiting conditions are not identical.
just my 2 cents, be happy


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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Does this one look ok?  Made at the same time as the other trichy tub.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: MushyMom]
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MushyMom said:
Does this one look ok?  Made at the same time as the other trichy tub.




looks ok to me. πŸ‘πŸΌ
if the spot at 18 o'clock doesnt grow at double the speed of the rest you should be good.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: chris77] * 3
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chris77 said:
18 o'clock


6pm for our american friends.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Yahra] * 3
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The issue is there is still so much not understood about mushrooms. Until
Yahra said:
chris77 said:
18 o'clock


6pm for our american friends.

:havesomescience:


Thank you. I almost had an aneurysm.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Way] * 1
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You are welcome.

I had several converting from pint to ml.


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