Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Sweden won't extradite the Kurds, sooooo...

Turkey Renews Threat to Veto Sweden and Finland’s NATO Bids

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Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan threatened once again to “freeze” Sweden and Finland’s Nato bids unless the military alliance complies with his conditions. “I want to reiterate once again that we will freeze the process if these countries do not take the necessary steps to fulfil our conditions,” he said. Last month, Erdoğan urged the two countries to “do their part” in the fight against terrorism, accusing them of providing a haven for outlawed Kurdish militants.

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wolf8312 said:

Lynnch said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

People here like to play that game. 

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So you don't support the actions of the Russian military and are willing to denounce them?

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We (ike the Tennis players) have to denounce Russia to prove ourselves to you?

Millions of non-Russians around the world believe it is the west that has provoked this war and that it is the Neocons and globalists who are the real threat to the peace and stability of this world! Many were warning about this exact scenario (inevitable confrontation with Russia/China) for the best part of two decades.

If you were willing to research and absorb (without fanboying for your own government) what is happening in this world in places like Canada and the Netherlands (farmers protests) you would realize that we are not on Russia's side but your side. Our own childrens' side.

We only prefer Russia (and I for one and certainly not counting my chickens on that score) because we wish to see an end to the neocon/globalist project (or PNAC) that is very clearly now leading our countries -and the world- toward ruin and collective insanity.

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Stable Genius said:

And the other guy named was Mamuka Mamulashvili did you catch this link below from the other post? Chrome gives me the option to translate, not sure why/how but it does.
https://www.maurizioblondet.it/cecchini-dai-piazza-maidan-silenzio-del-giorno/

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Stable Genius said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

shivas.wisdom said:

"what's your justification? Or why this war happened exactly?"

There is an aggressive force, the Russian army. There are interests of big capital at stake, on both sides. Those who are suffering now, because of the delusions of some and the crafty economic calculations of others, are the peoples of Russia and Ukraine (and, perhaps soon, those of other geographies near and far away).

Different governments have sided with one faction or the other, and have done so on the basis of economic calculations. There is no appeal to humanity in them. For these governments and their ideologues, there are good and bad interventions-invasions-destructions. The good ones are those carried out by their supporters, and the bad ones are those perpetrated by their opponents. The applause for Putin's criminal argument to justify the military invasion of Ukraine will turn into a lament when, by the same words, the invasion of other peoples whose processes do not please big capital will be justified.

Big capital and its “Western” regimes sat back and watched - and even encouraged - the situation as it deteriorated. Then, once the invasion had begun, they waited to see if Ukraine would resist, calculating what they could get out of one result or the other. As Ukraine persisted, then they began to issue "aid" invoices to be charged later. Putin is not the only one surprised by the Ukrainian resistance.

Those who win in this war are the big weapon-manufacturing consortiums, and the big capitals that see this opportunity to conquer: to destroy-reconstruct territories, that is to say, to create new markets of commodities and consumers, of human lives. Remember that the USA and Russia are the #1 and #2 global suppliers of weapons.

No war but the class war.

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Good summary!  (or should I say good summary?)

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Oh dear, how embarrassing.




Nice catch Falcon

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christopera said:

Stable Genius said:

(5 months, 5 days ago) https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27649677#27649677

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Stable Genius said: I’m just speculating, but I’d be willing to take a bet on a pipeline failure before summer

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Just sayin, but it seemed such obvious leverage 


Industrial companies across Germany are facing a real prospect of scaling down operations or shutting down completely if natural gas flows from Russia stop, the Financial Times reported on Monday.

Canadian lawmakers will be called to explain return of Nord Stream turbines

Key Nord Stream component sent to Germany from Canada: Report. Ukraine had pleaded with Ottawa to hold off on returning the turbine.

Kyiv doesn't see a problem destroying Germany's economy instead of negotiating a surrender


Zelensky explains why he fired Ukraine’s top security officials

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Ukraine’s security services are riddled with traitors and Russia “collaborators,” the president claimed.
"As of today, some 651 criminal cases have been registered on high treason and collaboration activities"

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3 of the 8 Himars missile launchers the U.S. sent recently have already been blown up. 4 more were sent last week, they will be located and destroyed one by one.

The shit is going to hit the fan for Zelensky very soon.

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Uhhhh, so Kyiv and Zelensky are doing it? Or is it the west?

I mean, because Kyiv and Zelensky are the elected government, so they should probably do whatever they think is right.

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Why does Zelensky have the right to ruin Germany's economy? That's from the RT article above.

Quote:

According to the publication, Germany’s largest steelmaker ThyssenKrupp and the world’s largest
chemicals company BASF have both warned that without sufficient natural gas supply, their factories
could be forced to idle or shut down completely, and could even suffer technical damage.

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I like quoting RT because
1. they are friggen on the money and report the news in a very impartial way, stop laughing it's true
2. it pisses people off, winner winner

iggyhiggy said:

Stable Genius said:

And the other guy named was Mamuka Mamulashvili did you catch this link below from the other post? Chrome gives me the option to translate, not sure why/how but it does.
https://www.maurizioblondet.it/cecchini-dai-piazza-maidan-silenzio-del-giorno/

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Yeah interestin but i'd take anything from that Maurizio Blondet with more a punch than a pinch of salt

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Oh ok. Seeing as you are probably a lot more familiar with his work what would be your main criticisms of his work and possibly this investigation he did?

shivas.wisdom said:

What democraticly elected government did the nazis oust? They came to power via legal means.

https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/germany-1933-democracy-dictatorship/

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

ballsalsa said:

I'm sure you have some evidence of 'the majority of people thanking Russia' because otherwise it would seem like you're just making shit up as you go.

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Of course.  You know I ALWAYS have evidence for anything I say.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/7226
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/7133
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/7020
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/6910
https://t.me/intelslava/32423
https://t.me/sputnik/7914

There's TONS more, I see this everyday.

Maybe you haven't seen this because you stick to news that censors content?

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how can some people decry the western military industrial complex AND say oh no poor KRUPP might shutter some factories.

look up krupp. i almost consider it a win

Stable Genius said:

2. it pisses people off, winner winner

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

mushboy said:

and what happened to the biolabs?

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The Department of Defense admitted to supporting 46 biological research facilities in Ukraine.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Psilynut2 said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

You don't have to be an expert to know these very simple facts.

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If they are simple then why are we already disagreeing ?

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Because the mainstream media is lying to you?

Psilynut2 said:

Quote:

In an emergency session, the Ukrainian parliament voted 380 to 0 on Saturday to remove Yanukovych from office, saying he was guilty of gross human rights violations and dereliction of duty

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraines-yanukovych-missing-as-protesters-take-control-of-presidential-residence-in-kiev/2014/02/22/802f7c6c-9bd2-11e3-ad71-e03637a299c0_story.html

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That's not what other sources say.  Here was the final Rada vote:

Yes  328
No  0
Abstention  0
Did not vote  6
Not present  116

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The action did not follow the impeachment process as specified by the Constitution of Ukraine (which would have involved formally charging the president with a crime, a review of the charge by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine, and a three-fourths majority vote – i.e. at least 338 votes in favor – by the Rada)

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Stable Genius said:

iggyhiggy said:

Stable Genius said:

And the other guy named was Mamuka Mamulashvili did you catch this link below from the other post? Chrome gives me the option to translate, not sure why/how but it does.
https://www.maurizioblondet.it/cecchini-dai-piazza-maidan-silenzio-del-giorno/

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Yeah interestin but i'd take anything from that Maurizio Blondet with more a punch than a pinch of salt

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Oh ok. Seeing as you are probably a lot more familiar with his work what would be your main criticisms of his work and possibly this investigation he did?

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Yes, thank you for asking.

My main criticism about his work came (during pandemics period) when I discovered a site (BUTAC,  www.butac.it ) wich debunks fake news.
On this site you can find news by  Blondet (aside with many others) debunked about every day.
He never checks nor provide any source and many of his news turn out to be complete bullshit or atleast far-fetched and long-stretched. He also happened to do embarassing quotes for a journalist (example: obviuosly fake twitter accounts, sometimes as well baits for donors...).
I got courious about him and he turned out to be a well known ultra-catholic bigot antisemitic homophobic xenophobic conspiracy nutter.

Personally i don't take seriously this kind of 'journalist'.
And don't think it's because he's a far-right winger: his former co-worker Fausto Biloslavo is a right-winger too, but i consider him a respectable journalist (despite not agreeing with him on much), who has done a pretty good job in reporting the first months of war (from Ukraine) avoiding the tipical western msm narrative.

Now, coming about this particular investigation, i don't know, i'll try to make a research about its legitimacy. There are a few things that i critcize ex ante: lack of source, weak source check. Tese things yet make me suspiciuos.

Another thing that makes me suspicious is the timing of the article you posted (2017) with respect to the italian political situation back then...but it would be another whole chapter

iggyhiggy said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

mushboy said:

and what happened to the biolabs?

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The Department of Defense admitted to supporting 46 biological research facilities in Ukraine.

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Man, you serious? its the Nth time you or chop show again the same document trying to support the biolab theory, and your document just show evidences of collaboration about 'clear' biological research, nothing secret, nothing shady or dangerous. I'm not saying nothing of it existed, but stop pretending the documents you posted are 'proof' of it

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