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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Stable Genius]
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r3volution.gurl said:
Quote the support for Russian military.


Quote:
Stable Genius said: They don't like it when you point out that Russia is going to win this 'special military operation' proxy war, no matter how much money their retarded Congress throws at the problem.


Who shot first?

I have mixed feelings about tax dollars going to military aid. I can still see that Russia engaged in a war of aggression against a neighbor. What's your problem?

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Kwyjibo]
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Kwyjibo said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
If you need a name, by "you", I meant "Kwyjibo".  :wtf:


Source or make believe.


Who else would I mean by "you" when replying to you?


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Kwyjibo] * 2
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r3volution.gurl said:
I haven't read anyone express any support for Russian military or this war in general.


koods said:
Read harder


mushboy said:
Read closely..er


Kwyjibo said:
Start here.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27671584/filter/27861716


Kwyjibo said:
Did you read all 80 pages?


This reminds me of the Mueller report:

  • Welp, the Mueller report just came out and the report concludes that the investigation "did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities".

  • Yes they did!  Did you read the whole thing?

  • Yep.

  • Well it's in there somewhere!

  • Where?

  • Read the whole thing and you'll find it!


People here like to play that game.  :shrug:


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Kryptos] * 1
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Kryptos said:
Lynnch said:
We've had enough pedantic nonsense in this thread already, don't you start now too.


They're right wingers. When both the facts and the law aren't on their side, they pound the table.


Can you provide an example?  Or is this another round of "read the last 100 pages and I'll betcha it's in there somewhere!"


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: koods] * 1
    #27864288 -

koods said:
Showing off. Control of territory. Control of resources. Imperialism. Showing off.


It went from:

"The Russian loses are staggering. They are losing entire units, dozens of soldiers at a time all over the place. 50-100 yesterday. They are taking down fighter jets. Capturing high ranking officers. Loses the Russian military has never experienced in modern times."

To:

"Showing off."

:lol:


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Kwyjibo said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
If you need a name, by "you", I meant "Kwyjibo".  :wtf:


Source or make believe.


Who else would I mean by "you" when replying to you?


No, you made a claim about me. Prove that's what I believe. Source or make believe. Still waiting on that name.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Kwyjibo]
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Kwyjibo said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Who else would I mean by "you" when replying to you?


No, you made a claim about me. Prove that's what I believe. Source or make believe. Still waiting on that name.


I specifically said:  "you, based on your non-response to my question.  That could change depending on your answer."

It's pretty clear why neither you nor anyone else will answer the question.  It would show I was right.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Kwyjibo said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Who else would I mean by "you" when replying to you?


No, you made a claim about me. Prove that's what I believe. Source or make believe. Still waiting on that name.


I specifically said:  "you, based on your non-response to my question.  That could change depending on your answer."

It's pretty clear why neither you nor anyone else will answer the question.


I told you that's not what I believe, I don't need to answer your question to prove that. So, where's that name?

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
People here like to play that game.  :shrug:


So you don't support the actions of the Russian military and are willing to denounce them?

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Lynnch]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
koods said:
Showing off. Control of territory. Control of resources. Imperialism. Showing off.


It went from:

"The Russian loses are staggering. They are losing entire units, dozens of soldiers at a time all over the place. 50-100 yesterday. They are taking down fighter jets. Capturing high ranking officers. Loses the Russian military has never experienced in modern times."

To:

"Showing off."

:lol:


That was certainly one of the intended purposes. It hasn’t worked out well.

You don’t think that one of the rationales for the invasion was as a show of force?


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Lynnch] * 1
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Lynnch said:
Who shot first?



Do you mean the snipers shooting Ukrainian police and citizens(yes some shot by the police but not all) at the 2014 Maidan or the Ukrainian military shooting civilians in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in the years following, or, when
39 pro Russian protesters died, were killed/burned alive by the far right in Odessa in May 2014, or, when Russian troops crossed the border in 2022? 

Who were the Maidan snipers?

The article above talked about a leaked phone call between High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton and Estonian Foreign Affairs Minister Urmas Paet, discussing
that the shooters were protest movement provocateurs rather than supporters of then-president Viktor Yanukovych
You gotta hand it to the Russian Intelligence, they're pretty good at this phone tapping shit.

The Guardian ran the story regarding the leaked phone call.

An Italian journalist Gian Micalessin did an investigative report into the Maidan shootings, he claims that the shooters were Georgians and Lithuanians enlisted by Mamuka Mamulashvili, a military
adviser to the former Georgian premier Saakashvili and another person, an American named Brian Christopher Boyenger

If you take the time to look through the links I've put together you'll find it's not as black and white as you may think  :shrug:

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Stable Genius]
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What the fuck does that have to do with the invasion?

You’re talking about violence against protesters 8 years ago as if that has anything to do with invasion by a foreign military.

Quote:
Russia's suggestion has been that the shooters were organized by the opposition to increase outrage against the governmen


At least that article names the party making the suggestion.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: koods] * 3
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Lynnch said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
People here like to play that game.  :shrug:


So you don't support the actions of the Russian military and are willing to denounce them?



We (ike the Tennis players) have to denounce Russia to prove ourselves to you?

Millions of non-Russians around the world believe it is the west that has provoked this war and that it is the Neocons and globalists who are the real threat to the peace and stability of this world! Many were warning about this exact scenario (inevitable confrontation with Russia/China) for the best part of two decades.

If you were willing to research and absorb (without fanboying for your own government) what is happening in this world in places like Canada and the Netherlands (farmers protests) you would realize that we are not on Russia's side but your side. Our own childrens' side.

We only prefer Russia (and I for one and certainly not counting my chickens on that score) because we wish to see an end to the neocon/globalist project (or PNAC) that is very clearly now leading our countries -and the world- toward ruin and collective insanity.


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"I'm every nightmare you ever had. I am your worst dreams come true. I am everything you ever were afraid of."

Pennywise the dancing clown


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: koods] * 1
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He asked who shot first so I gave some suggestions! Just trying to help buddy  :flipthebird:

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: koods]
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koods said:
r3volution.gurl said:
I'm asking for as much detail as for example Shiva provided when explaining falcon's justification.

Is that hard?

What is the purpose of Russia's conquest of Ukraine exactly?


Showing off. Control of territory. Control of resources. Imperialism. Showing off.


:picard:

Can you be more specific please and provide sources on 'control of resources'?


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"Souls love. That’s what souls do. Egos don’t, but souls do. Become a soul, look around, and you’ll be amazed-all the beings around you are souls." -Ram Dass

Edited by r3volution.gurl (07/16/22 09:09 AM)

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Lynnch] * 1
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Lynnch said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
People here like to play that game.  :shrug:


So you don't support the actions of the Russian military and are willing to denounce them?


What is denouncing going to accomplish exactly?

That's like me asking you to denounce the US. Whether you do or don't, makes no difference in the situation of the world.


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"Souls love. That’s what souls do. Egos don’t, but souls do. Become a soul, look around, and you’ll be amazed-all the beings around you are souls." -Ram Dass

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: wolf8312]
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wolf8312 said:
Lynnch said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
People here like to play that game.  :shrug:


So you don't support the actions of the Russian military and are willing to denounce them?



We (ike the Tennis players) have to denounce Russia to prove ourselves to you?

Millions of non-Russians around the world believe it is the west that has provoked this war and that it is the Neocons and globalists who are the real threat to the peace and stability of this world! Many were warning about this exact scenario (inevitable confrontation with Russia/China) for the best part of two decades.

If you were willing to research and absorb (without fanboying for your own government) what is happening in this world in places like Canada and the Netherlands (farmers protests) you would realize that we are not on Russia's side but your side. Our own childrens' side.

We only prefer Russia (and I for one and certainly not counting my chickens on that score) because we wish to see an end to the neocon/globalist project (or PNAC) that is very clearly now leading our countries -and the world- toward ruin and collective insanity.


Forget about denouncing anyone.  Do you support the actions of the Russian military in Ukraine, yes or no?

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: r3volution.gurl]
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r3volution.gurl said:
koods said:
r3volution.gurl said:
I'm asking for as much detail as for example Shiva provided when explaining falcon's justification.

Is that hard?

What is the purpose of Russia's conquest of Ukraine exactly?


Showing off. Control of territory. Control of resources. Imperialism. Showing off.


:picard:

Can you be more specific please and provide sources on 'control of resources'?


Do you not already know that Ukraine has several large nuclear facilities, huge fossil fuel reserves and transportation infrastructure for oil/gas?  Another example would be the vast grain producing regions within Ukraine that provide food for much of the world.  Ukraine is the #1 producer of sunflower, the #6 producer of corn, #7 producer of wheat, #4 producer of barley, etc.

Just a hunch, but I think that food and energy resources might be kinda important to control...

:picard:

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
Forget about denouncing anyone.  Do you support the actions of the Russian military in Ukraine, yes or no?


Yes. You got a problem with that?

Tell us why anybody should care that you have judged us? :lol:

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: chopstick]
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chopstick said:
ballsalsa said:
Forget about denouncing anyone.  Do you support the actions of the Russian military in Ukraine, yes or no?


Yes. You got a problem with that?

Tell us why anybody should care that you have judged us? :lol:


A problem?  Nah, you're welcome to believe whatever you want.

Judged?  Nah, I'm just getting everything out in the open.  Nothing quite like saying the quiet part out loud, eh?

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