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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Kwyjibo said:
You still haven't answered my first question.



I would say you, based on your non-response to my question.  That could change depending on your answer.



Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
You still argue, but you won't (can't?) provide an example?  That's defeat my dude.



:lol:

This is why nobody takes you seriously. You are inconsistent and have vastly different standards of evidence from others and yourself.

Your questions are irrelevant, as you...

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
...won't (can't?) provide an example?  That's defeat my dude.



Unless, of course, you're (once again) speculating on what's in someone's mind, which is another term for "making shit up on the fly".

Edit: although, to be fair, your argumentative style falls well within the alt-right playbook. Which makes sense.


Edited by Kryptos (07/14/22 01:28 PM)

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Kryptos]
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The complete and willful lack of any logical or consistent approach in these arguments is part of the reason for why I fully support militant antifascist action. Fascists and their sympathizers do not debate in good faith. They obfuscate and deflect until they see an opportunity to seize power, and then they violently put down their opposition - like, for example, passing censorship laws that criminalize minority opinions.



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shivas.wisdom said (exactly 1343 days ago):
Just dropping in to help illuminate a common tactic used by qman and company.

First, qman makes the incredibly stupid claim that David Frum is alt-left, in what I can only assume was an attempt to shift the overton window further right by redefining neoconservatives as left-wing.

Then, when this claim of his is immediately criticized for its ridiculousness, he does not even bother to defend the position. Qman simply falls silent.

[...]

He is not here to actually debate. He is not putting forth arguments in good faith. The idea is to cultivate an air of respectability, and use this to spread seeds of bullshit to the unwitting.

Unfortunately, it takes less time to post bullshit than to debunk it, and this is something they are aware of. Don't let yourself burn out and let this shit fly uncontested, but also avoid getting drawn into energy draining and time wasting arguments with this type of person.

In the streets you embarass fascists by physically overpowering them. In the online chat realm, you embarass them by clearly showing how truly stupid their ideas are, and refusing to engage them further.

I also remember reading once (I'll try and find the source) about a psychological effect. Basically, you put forth an argument and I respond with criticism, but then you never respond to my criticism. Even if my criticism is sound and your argument was invalid, there is a tendency for humans to perceive things as you, as the initiator, being dominant; and me, as the responder, being submissive - which influences how people will view the arguments. From the region of emotion, rather than logic, but that's how bad faith debate goes.

Here are some other common tactics you may find in use on Internet forums: Read more...




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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Can't say I'm gonna take the time to confirm this, but I suspect that Falcon has started using forum sliding, or the intrathread equivalent, either consciously or unconsciously.

I don't recall him doing the separate reply to each comment thing back before 2014, but now it's pretty standard to have a dump of 6-7 separate replies all at once. It does tend to drown out any other conversation that springs up with "NO YOU NEED TO PROVIDE ME WITH SPECIFIC EVIDENCE BECAUSE YOUR EVIDENCE ISN'T SPECIFIC ENOUGH FOR MY LIKING" repeated until the topic switches to the next page.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Kryptos] * 1
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To be fair, I've done the same thing to a lesser extent without nefarious motive.  In a heated thread one may find oneself responding to several posts about something one said and while it's much easier on the reader for those responses and all nested quotes etc. to be compiled in a single post, it's much quicker for the poster to reply to each in turn.  Generally speaking, If I find myself in a position to respond to more than 2 posts at one time I'll take the trouble to compile them.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: ballsalsa]
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Yeah, that's why I said "either consciously or unconsciously". I normally take the time to put multiple responses into a single post, but on occasion I am too lazy to do so. It might just be a side effect of having a very short time slot on the Shroomery for his internet patrol route, and so he needs to rapid fire fallacies and move on to the next forum.

That's the problem with dishonest tactics, and debating in bad faith: Hanlon's Razor says that they might just be stupid. Those of us who have been here for long enough to know that is not the case see through it, but the point of a bad faith debate isn't to convince your opponent, it's a performance for the audience.

It's hard to tell the difference between someone too dumb to realize they are using fallacious reasoning and someone intentionally using fallacious reasoning. I guess, unless it is a very well placed fallacy, but I'm talking about the obvious ones. Like, Mormon doorknocker obvious.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 3
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shivas.wisdom said:
The complete and willful lack of any logical or consistent approach in these arguments is part of the reason for why I fully support militant antifascist action. Fascists and their sympathizers do not debate in good faith. They obfuscate and deflect until they see an opportunity to seize power, and then they violently put down their opposition - like, for example, passing censorship laws that criminalize minority opinions.





Ah, so you are another hypocritical radicalized fool, to the point of embracing violence against the enemies of the western political & financial elite, the type of guy who would blindly follow Soros-funded ideologies into your own oblivion just to throw your life away to kill some freedom loving American rednecks that you hate so much, just like your American antifa counterparts.

I mean we pretty much knew that already, but thanks for verifying :thumbup:

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I'm asking why you're posting soley on one forum on a website that doesn't seem to have any interest to you other than the political forum. Does that not seem weird to you?


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The wolves howl, the sheep dwell, and the fool casts his whom.

Edited by undersativaskies (07/14/22 06:50 PM)

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: chopstick] * 2
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chopstick said:
Ah, so you are another hypocritical radicalized fool, to the point of embracing violence against the enemies of the western political & financial elite, the type of guy who would blindly follow Soros-funded ideologies into your own oblivion just to throw your life away to kill some freedom loving American rednecks that you hate so much, just like your American antifa counterparts.

I mean we pretty much knew that already, but thanks for verifying :thumbup:



I've got that George Soros money; where do you think we got these guns?
I've got that George Soros money; to pay for all of our bailfunds.
I've got that George Soros money; it's the only money for me.
All of that George Soros money bought me all this DMT.



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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: chopstick] * 3
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chopstick said:
shivas.wisdom said:
The complete and willful lack of any logical or consistent approach in these arguments is part of the reason for why I fully support militant antifascist action. Fascists and their sympathizers do not debate in good faith. They obfuscate and deflect until they see an opportunity to seize power, and then they violently put down their opposition - like, for example, passing censorship laws that criminalize minority opinions.





Ah, so you are another hypocritical radicalized fool, to the point of embracing violence against the enemies of the western political & financial elite, the type of guy who would blindly follow Soros-funded ideologies into your own oblivion just to throw your life away to kill some freedom loving American rednecks that you hate so much, just like your American antifa counterparts.

I mean we pretty much knew that already, but thanks for verifying :thumbup:



Thankfully our resident anti-nazi, totally not right-wing, Soros funding detector has logged on to rant about it to us.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: ballsalsa] * 4
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Everyone knows the real antifascists support Russia's military.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Kwyjibo]
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Kwyjibo said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Kwyjibo said:
You still haven't answered my first question.



I would say you, based on your non-response to my question.  That could change depending on your answer.



Nice job avoiding answering yet again, ever going to come up with a name?



If you need a name, by "you", I meant "Kwyjibo".  :wtf:


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Kryptos] * 1
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Kryptos said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
You still argue, but you won't (can't?) provide an example?  That's defeat my dude.



:lol:

This is why nobody takes you seriously. You are inconsistent and have vastly different standards of evidence from others and yourself.

Your questions are irrelevant, as you...

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
...won't (can't?) provide an example?  That's defeat my dude.



Unless, of course, you're (once again) speculating on what's in someone's mind, which is another term for "making shit up on the fly".

Edit: although, to be fair, your argumentative style falls well within the alt-right playbook. Which makes sense.





Still no example?  Alrighty then.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: undersativaskies] * 1
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undersativaskies said:
I'm asking why you're posting soley on one forum on a website that doesn't seem to have any interest to you other than the political forum. Does that not seem weird to you?



Because I'm interested in politics, and that takes up a good chunk of my time.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Quote:
I'm asking why you're posting soley on one forum on a website that doesn't seem to have any interest to you other than the political forum. Does that not seem weird to you?



Maybe it’s his part time job


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Quote:
I'm asking why you're posting soley on one forum on a website that doesn't seem to have any interest to you other than the political forum. Does that not seem weird to you?



Our true enemy; has yet to reveal themselves


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theRealrollforever said:
That’s not possible; even with computers

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Kwyjibo said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Kwyjibo said:
You still haven't answered my first question.



I would say you, based on your non-response to my question.  That could change depending on your answer.



Nice job avoiding answering yet again, ever going to come up with a name?



If you need a name, by "you", I meant "Kwyjibo".  :wtf:



Source or make believe.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Kryptos said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
You still argue, but you won't (can't?) provide an example?  That's defeat my dude.



:lol:

This is why nobody takes you seriously. You are inconsistent and have vastly different standards of evidence from others and yourself.

Your questions are irrelevant, as you...

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
...won't (can't?) provide an example?  That's defeat my dude.



Unless, of course, you're (once again) speculating on what's in someone's mind, which is another term for "making shit up on the fly".

Edit: although, to be fair, your argumentative style falls well within the alt-right playbook. Which makes sense.





Still no example?  Alrighty then.



Random unrelated statement? Loser.

Source or make believe?

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
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shivas.wisdom said:
Everyone knows the real antifascists support Russia's military.



I haven't read anyone express any support for Russian military or this war in general.


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"Souls love. That’s what souls do. Egos don’t, but souls do. Become a soul, look around, and you’ll be amazed-all the beings around you are souls." -Ram Dass

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: r3volution.gurl]
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Read harder


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: koods] * 1
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Lmfao

Quote the support for Russian military.


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"Souls love. That’s what souls do. Egos don’t, but souls do. Become a soul, look around, and you’ll be amazed-all the beings around you are souls." -Ram Dass

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