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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Blue Cthulhu] 1
#27672119 - 02/24/22 06:31 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Blue Cthulhu said: Thank you! Obviously already violated since Poland is a NATO member.
Not just Poland. Here's a map of countries that have joined NATO since our promise. You can see why Russia wouldn't want Ukraine to join:
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2] 2
#27674073 - 02/26/22 10:45 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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This statement originally appeared in Russian on avtonom.org, a media project that grew out of the libertarian communist network Autonomous Action.
Against Annexations and Imperial Aggression
Yesterday, on February 21, an extraordinary meeting of the Russian Security Council was held. As part of this theatrical act, Putin forced his closest servants to publicly “ask” him to recognize the independence of the so-called “people’s republics” of the Luhansk People’s Republic [LPR] and Donetsk People’s Republic [DPR] in eastern Ukraine.
It is quite obvious that this is a step towards the further annexation of these territories by Russia—no matter how it is formalized (or not formalized) legally. In fact, the Kremlin ceases to consider the LPR and DPR part of Ukraine and finally makes them its protectorate. “First the recognition of independence, then annexation”: this sequence was already worked out in 2014 in Crimea. This is also clear from Naryshkin’s stupid reservations at the meeting of the Security Council (“Yes, I support the entry of these territories into the Russian Federation “). Since the meeting, as it turned out, was broadcast on tape [rather than live], and these “reservations” were not cut out, but left in—the hint is clear.
In an “appeal to the people” that same evening, Putin seemed to “agree” with these requests and announced the recognition of the LPR and DPR as independent states. In fact, he said the following: “We are taking a piece of the Donbass, and if Ukraine rocks the boat, then let it blame itself, we don’t consider it a state at all, so we’ll take even more.” According to Putin’s decree, Russian troops are already entering the territory of the LPR and DPR. This is a clear gesture of threat towards the rest of Ukraine and especially towards the parts of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions still controlled by Ukraine. This is the actual occupation [in the sense that until now, Luhansk and Donetsk were only occupied by proxy].
We do not want to stand up for any states. We are anarchists and we are against any borders between nations. But we are against this annexation, because it only establishes new borders, and the decision on this is made solely by the authoritarian leader—Vladimir Putin. This is an act of imperialist aggression by Russia. We have no illusions about the Ukrainian state, but it is clear to us that it is not the main aggressor in this story—this is not a confrontation between two equal evils. First of all, this is an attempt by the Russian authoritarian government to solve its internal problems through a “small victorious war and the accumulation of lands” [a reference to Ivan III].
It is quite probable that the Kremlin regime will stage some kind of spectacle of a “referendum” on the annexed lands. Such performances already took place in the DPR and LPR in 2014, but not even Moscow recognized their results. Now, apparently, Putin has decided to change that. Of course, there can be no talk of any “free and secret voting” in these territories—they are under the control of militarized gangs completely dependent on Moscow. Those who were opposed to these gangs and against integration with Russia were either killed or forced to emigrate. Thus, any “referendum on the return of Donbass like a lost ship to its native harbor” will be a propaganda lie. The residents of Donbass will be able to formulate their decision only when the troops of all states—and first of all the Russian Federation—leave these territories.
The recognition and annexation of the DPR and LPR will not bring anything good to the inhabitants of Russia itself.
First, in any case, this will lead to the militarization of all spheres of life, even greater international isolation of Russia, sanctions and a decline in general well-being. Restoring the destroyed infrastructure and taking the “people’s republics” into the state budget will not be free, either—both will cost billions of rubles that could otherwise be spent on education and medicine. Have no doubt: the yachts of the Russian oligarchs will not become smaller, but everyone else will begin to live worse.
Second, the likely aggravation of the armed confrontation with Ukraine will mean more dead and wounded soldiers and civilians, more destroyed cities and villages, more blood. Even if this conflict does not escalate into a world war, Putin’s imperial fantasies are not worth a single life.
Third, this will mean the further spread of the so-called “Russian world”: a crazy combination of neoliberal oligarchy, rigid centralized power, and patriarchal imperial propaganda. This consequence is not as obvious as the rise in the price of sausages and the sanctions on smartphones—but in the long run, it is even more dangerous.
We urge you to counter the Kremlin’s aggression by any means you see fit. Against the seizure of territories under any pretext, against sending the Russian army to the Donbass, against militarization. And ultimately, against the war. Take to the streets, spread the word, talk to the people around you—you know what to do. Do not be silent. Take action. Even a small screw can jam the gears of a death machine.
Against all borders, against all empires, against all wars!
-Autonomous Action
 Translation: “No War Between Nations! No Peace Between Classes!”
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Asante]
#27675821 - 02/27/22 05:11 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Resistance: Ukrainian citizens are filling up the molotov cocktails in preparation for the invasion.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: imachavel] 3
#27676558 - 02/28/22 06:03 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Anyone else notice how Ukrainian politicians are defending their country instead of running away or attacking the capital ?
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2]
#27681908 - 03/04/22 02:47 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Psilynut2 said: Putin just gave a speech and said he believes Ukraine has always been part of Russia and that he is saving half of the population that was tricked by the Nazis . Gotta listen to both sides of the argument bro.
Well, last week you (all) denounced an entire protest movement as Nazis because a fascist flag had appeared amongst them (although videos of this lone individual being expelled and jeered by the protestors were typically ignored).
If similar fascist flags appeared among Ukrainian protesters would you similarly denounce all Ukrainian protesters as Nazis?
Or would that be ridiculous?
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: wolf8312]
#27683105 - 03/04/22 08:47 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Hagerstown Maryland today where the truckers are tonight. Three percenter flag right there.

Pat King. Organizer of the Ottawa protest. Overt white supremacist.
https://twitter.com/thedudeseannn/status/1497438171486900230?s=21
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
#27683111 - 03/04/22 08:53 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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koods said: Hagerstown Maryland today where the truckers are tonight. Three percenter flag right there.

Pat King. Organizer of the Ottawa protest. Overt white supremacist.
https://twitter.com/thedudeseannn/status/1497438171486900230?s=21
Pictures of flags! Oh, the humanity.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
#27686522 - 03/07/22 05:24 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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This is what Russia does to Russian speaking cities in Ukraine
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos]
#27686756 - 03/07/22 09:58 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Top comment says that's a cluster bomb casing, not unexploded ordinance.
Neither Russia, Ukraine, or the US have signed on to the cluster munitions ban.
Well, the empty casing of a Russian cluster bomb is even worse. That was one of a number of 9M55K rockets that hit Kharkiv on Feb 28. And they are Russian. Investigators reconstructed the trajectory of the rockets back to a location inside Russian territory.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.observers.france24.com/en/europe/20220306-ukraine-russia-kharkiv-rockets-cluster-munitions-bombs-war-crimes-icc
The article has a detailed explanation of how they figured it out. The quick explanation is the rocket sheds various parts in the air as the submunitions are deployed, so there is a distinctive trail of parts that are lined up with in direction from where the rocket came. Satellite images show the battery of launch vehicles and a smoke trail from a rocket headed towards Kharkiv. These are Russian launches from inside Russian territory.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Mach z 800] 3
#27687134 - 03/08/22 07:42 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2]
#27687138 - 03/08/22 07:49 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Psilynut2 said:

biden is the strongest president in American history period. Even China knows better than to cross him.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Mach z 800]
#27687215 - 03/08/22 08:55 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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biden is the strongest president in American history period. Even China knows better than to cross him
The face of strength ? Or the face of a man who just found out he swallows ?
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
#27687832 - 03/08/22 05:30 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
#27688825 - 03/09/22 04:53 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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You posted one video that shows nothing that you claim it does. Supposed to a hospital but looks like a room in a private home or office. Absolutely nothing in the video to indicate it’s in a hospital. Why should anyone believe the rest of the shit you are saying about videos you’ve seen yet refuse to post.
Hospitals don’t generally use door handles like this due to the contamination risk. They use handles that can be operated without using the palms of your hands
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
#27689243 - 03/09/22 11:29 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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This is the fate Putin fears




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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods]
#27689657 - 03/10/22 11:14 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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This is the stuff chopstick believes
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: christopera]
#27689933 - 03/10/22 03:59 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Somebody posted this on twitter. I think it's quite appropriate for this discussion:

Next they will whitewash the Nazi's in Ukraine like they did the Syrian Al-Qaeda.
Heh, they're just moderate Nazi's! Keep sending them the CIA cash!
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: chopstick]
#27689937 - 03/10/22 04:05 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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chopstick said: Somebody posted this on twitter. I think it's quite appropriate for this discussion:

Next they will whitewash the Nazi's in Ukraine like they did the Syrian Al-Qaeda.
Heh, they're just moderate Nazi's! Keep sending them the CIA cash!
I think you’re confused. We don’t buy your premise that Ukraine is run by nazis.
Every western country has nazi and they gravitate towards military service. (and trump rallies and trucker convoys)
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: koods] 1
#27689960 - 03/10/22 04:29 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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koods said:
I think you’re confused. We don’t buy your premise that Ukraine is run by nazis.
Every western country has nazi and they gravitate towards military service. (and trump rallies and trucker convoys)
 Fine people in Charlottesville
Ah, so you're on step 2. Got it.
Where you're wrong is that not only was there a very high concentration of them in Ukraine, abnormally so, but they occupied positions in government and in the police. They also basically run the Ukrainian SBU - Ukraine's intelligence service.
Nobody could seriously oppose them. Not even the president of Ukraine. Hence why the attacks and shelling on Donbass *never* stopped and the Minsk agreements were torn to shreds. I don't think anybody that wasn't a hardcore radical seriously opposed pursuing peace in Donetsk and wanted to ethnically cleanse the people there. Unfortunately, the "regular" people did not have enough power to prevent the radicals from doing exactly that.
Ukraine is a good example of how a radicalized minority can completely take over a country and terrorize the people into submission so long as they have sufficient personnel, funding, outside support, control over the media and are willing/capable to kill anyone that threatens their agenda. They ticked all of these boxes.
The terror campaigns these people unleashed on former pro-Russian areas they controlled between the time they took over in 2014 and the Russian intervention in 2022 is astounding. I read one report that they had killed some 200 people from the city of Kharkov and detained hundreds more. When you wage terror campaigns like that, the rest are absolutely too afraid to speak out.
Freeing the country from these bandits is an absolute priority, and for good reason.
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Kryptos] 1
#27690674 - 03/11/22 08:11 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Kamala’s weird instinct to laugh hysterically when faced with a tough question gets her in trouble yet again.
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