ballsalsa said:

Here's a sampling of videos of people claiming to have been abducted by aliens.
Do you take them as seriously as the videos you like to tout from inside occupied Crimea?

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No, because a majority of people in Donbas are thanking Russia for liberating them from Far Right extremists.  A majority of people don't claim to be abducted by aliens.  See the difference? 

Edit:  Looks like chopstick beat me to the obvious 

chopstick said:

I think it's safe to say that videos from people in Crimea where 95% of the population voted to join Russia are far more likely to be normal/legit than some random alien UFO vid. I have no idea why you are correlating the two together. You alright man? Do you just automatically assume that anything that goes against your preconceived notions is a conspiracy theory? Because that would basically be a conspiracy theory

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

I think you messed up on your analogy.  Ukraine ousted its democratically elected government in 2014, just like the Nazis did in Germany.  So it's Ukraine that's following the Nazi model, not Russia.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

ballsalsa said:

Here's a sampling of videos of people claiming to have been abducted by aliens.
Do you take them as seriously as the videos you like to tout from inside occupied Crimea?

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No, because a majority of people in Donbas are thanking Russia for liberating them from Far Right extremists.  A majority of people don't claim to be abducted by aliens.  See the difference? 

Edit:  Looks like chopstick beat me to the obvious 

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shivas.wisdom said:

What democraticly elected government did the nazis oust? They came to power via legal means.

https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/germany-1933-democracy-dictatorship/

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

shivas.wisdom said:

Personally, I think claiming to be against war in general but thinking this specific war is still the best solution available, is more embarrassing.

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Did I miss your better solution somewhere?  Was it a vote by the people living in Donbas/Crimea, was a vote by the whole of Ukraine, or was it something else?

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ballsalsa said:

I'm sure you have some evidence of 'the majority of people thanking Russia' because otherwise it would seem like you're just making shit up as you go.

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shivas.wisdom said:

Always? Because we're still waiting on you naming who believes the US should be able to coup whomever they like without resistance.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

ballsalsa said:

I'm sure you have some evidence of 'the majority of people thanking Russia' because otherwise it would seem like you're just making shit up as you go.

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Of course.  You know I ALWAYS have evidence for anything I say.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/7226
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/7133
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/7020
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/6910
https://t.me/intelslava/32423
https://t.me/sputnik/7914

There's TONS more, I see this everyday.

Maybe you haven't seen this because you stick to news that censors content?

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chopstick said:

shivas.wisdom said:

Always? Because we're still waiting on you naming who believes the US should be able to coup whomever they like without resistance.

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You won't even admit that the US did a coup in Ukraine lol

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You won't even admit to your alt-right, neo-nazi friends' attempted coup right here

shivas.wisdom said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Did I miss your better solution somewhere?

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Yeah I guess you did:

Proposed positions on the Russian invasion of Ukraine

-    Express full support for Ukrainian popular resistance against the Russian invasion.

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You think we should side with Western Ukrainians against Eastern Ukrainians? 

shivas.wisdom said:

-    Prioritize support for self-organized groups defending emancipatory positions in Ukraine through donations, humanitarian aid, and publicizing their demands.

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That was already been happening.

shivas.wisdom said:

-    Support progressive anti-war and anti-regime forces in Russia and publicize their positions.

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Why not anti-war forces in Ukraine? 

It seems you're too anti-Russia to take a neutral viewpoint, so moving on to your next question...

shivas.wisdom said:

So what parts do you agree with?

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Looking at it sentence by sentence, I agree with

These:
- There are interests of big capital at stake, on both sides.
- Those who are suffering now, because of the delusions of some and the crafty economic calculations of others, are the peoples of Russia and Ukraine (and, perhaps soon, those of other geographies near and far away).
- Different governments have sided with one faction or the other, and have done so on the basis of economic calculations.
- For these governments and their ideologues, there are good and bad interventions-invasions-destructions.  The good ones are those carried out by their supporters, and the bad ones are those perpetrated by their opponents.
- Big capital and its “Western” regimes sat back and watched - and even encouraged - the situation as it deteriorated. Then, once the invasion had begun, they waited to see if Ukraine would resist, calculating what they could get out of one result or the other.
- As Ukraine persisted, then they began to issue "aid" invoices to be charged later.
- Putin is not the only one surprised by the Ukrainian resistance.
- Those who win in this war are the big weapon-manufacturing consortiums, and the big capitals that see this opportunity to conquer: to destroy-reconstruct territories, that is to say, to create new markets of commodities and consumers, of human lives.


Not these:
- There is an aggressive force, the Russian army.
- There is no appeal to humanity in them.
- The applause for Putin's criminal argument to justify the military invasion of Ukraine will turn into a lament when, by the same words, the invasion of other peoples whose processes do not please big capital will be justified.

ballsalsa said:

chopstick said:

shivas.wisdom said:

Always? Because we're still waiting on you naming who believes the US should be able to coup whomever they like without resistance.

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You won't even admit that the US did a coup in Ukraine lol

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You won't even admit to your alt-right, neo-nazi friends' attempted coup right here

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ballsalsa said:

Even If you posted 1000 videos of people within occupied Ukraine actually thanking Russia it wouldn't be evidence of 'the majority of people thanking Russia'.  It would be evidence of 1000 people thanking Russia

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shivas.wisdom said:

Always? Because we're still waiting on you naming who believes the US should be able to coup whomever they like without resistance.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

No one's willing to answer my question about what Eastern Ukrainians should do if not resistance.

It's a catch 22.  If you say of course they should resist, then you shouldn't call resistance aggression.  If you say they shouldn't resist, then you have to admit the US should be allowed to take over the world without resistance.

Nobody wants to admit either.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

It seems you're too anti-Russia to take a neutral viewpoint, so moving on to your next question...

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Not these:
- There is an aggressive force, the Russian army.
- There is no appeal to humanity in them.
- The applause for Putin's criminal argument to justify the military invasion of Ukraine will turn into a lament when, by the same words, the invasion of other peoples whose processes do not please big capital will be justified.

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ballsalsa said:

Do you have a poll taken prior to the invasion and occupation?

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