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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: hummingbird]
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Inflammation and destruction of cells


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NotSheekle said
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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Do you think it's the spike protein that's the main culprit in that?

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: hummingbird]
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No


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: hummingbird]
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hummingbird said:
My intention was to point out there's risks on both sides of the coin, and maybe try to show some of you that not all people choosing not to get the shot are ignorant



I hope you don't have to go to the hospital for an unrelated reason.

I shit you not. Was just at the hospital for another family member and they had to wait 10 1/2 hours to get seen in the ER.

Do you know how many people are going to die because of a 10 hour ER wait?

I'll let you guess: Too many.

What's changed in the past year and a half, a 1 hour wait max is now a 10 hour wait? Why is that?


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: TrancedOutBrah]
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Why?
koods said:
No



Why not? Do you think it's a culprit at all in the inflammation issues, being known to be cytotoxic?





TrancedOutBrah said:
hummingbird said:
My intention was to point out there's risks on both sides of the coin, and maybe try to show some of you that not all people choosing not to get the shot are ignorant



I hope you don't have to go to the hospital for an unrelated reason.

I shit you not. Was just at the hospital for another family member and they had to wait 10 1/2 hours to get seen in the ER.

Do you know how many people are going to die because of a 10 hour ER wait?

I'll let you guess: Too many.

What's changed in the past year and a half, a 1 hour wait max is now a 10 hour wait? Why is that?




Thanks man, I appreciate that. I hope the same for you and yours. The hospital has always been one of my least favorite places to be, probably only second to jail.

It's definitely a couple reasons. Mainly that a lot of people are sick. Also that hospital workers are burning out in a lot of places and are facing worker shortages. I'm concerned that will only get worse if vaccines are mandated across the board for medical workers too. It's awful, and I know extra people will die from the extended wait time. It's crazy out there, and I really feel for you medical workers right now. Those jobs are probably tougher than they've ever been in a lot of places over the last two years or so.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: hummingbird] * 4
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The spike protein doesn’t kill a cell on its own. Once the body recognizes it as a foreign substance it will attack the spike protein and if it’s attached to a cell that cell will be destroyed. That’s just normal adaptive immune system behavior and it’s much less destructive than the innate immune response to infection that is what kills people. When you don’t have antibodies to launch a targeted attack on infection the body’s response is a lot more scorched earth. It throws cytokines and other nonspecific immune cells into the general area of an infection and that is much more destructive.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
The spike protein doesn’t kill a cell on its own. Once the body recognizes it as a foreign substance it will attack the spike protein and if it’s attached to a cell that cell will be destroyed. That’s just normal adaptive immune system behavior and it’s much less destructive than the innate immune response to infection that is what kills people. When you don’t have antibodies to launch a targeted attack on infection the body’s response is a lot more scorched earth. It throws cytokines and other nonspecific immune cells into the general area of an infection and that is much more destructive.



:thumbup: yall honestly could not ask for a better explanation

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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Thanks for taking the time to explain that. I know that killer cells take out the infected cells once tagged, so they also use cytokines to destroy cells. I'm sure it's more complex than I (everyone) currently understand as far as how the entire adaptive immune response works.

I did find a couple studies that hint at the spike protein alone causing cell senescence, one hints at possibly more. A lot of this is probably above my pay grade honestly, but it's certainly being looked into by professionals...

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.00794-21

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34156871/

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: hummingbird] * 1
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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A man in Illinois has died from rabies after refusing to get the rabies vaccine after a bat encounter. Unbelievable.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2021/09/29/illinois-rabies-bat/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_source=twitter

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An Illinois resident in his 80s woke up to a bat on his neck in mid-August. The bat tested positive for rabies, but the man declined the rabies vaccine, officials say. He died a month later.
This is the first known case of a human contracting rabies in Illinois since 1954, according to the Illinois Department of Public Health.



Between bats and antivaxxers the human race is doomed


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (09/30/21 12:58 AM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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Quote:
This is the first known case of a human contracting rabies in Illinois since 1954, but not the first one to permanently reduce his carbon footprint with an ill conceived action.





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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
A man in Illinois has died from rabies after refusing to get the rabies vaccine after a bat encounter. Unbelievable.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2021/09/29/illinois-rabies-bat/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_source=twitter

Quote:
An Illinois resident in his 80s woke up to a bat on his neck in mid-August. The bat tested positive for rabies, but the man declined the rabies vaccine, officials say. He died a month later.
This is the first known case of a human contracting rabies in Illinois since 1954, according to the Illinois Department of Public Health.



Between bats and antivaxxers the human race is doomed





That bat article was pretty fucked. I would never expect to wake up with neck bite rabies. I would definitely get the rabies vaccine to try not to die a raving lunatic, but I'd still go find the bat cave and set it on fire immediately afterward. The Joker did some things right.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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He probably actually died from a coronavirus he got from the bat...jk


Rabies is horrible. Pasteur became obsessed with finding a vaccine after watching someone die from the disease. A lot of people got rabies and died from the early attempts at it too.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: hummingbird]
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I think the modern rabies prophylactic treatments are actually monoclonal antibodies.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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Interesting.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: hummingbird]
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My dog got bitten by a rabid wolf and my brother had to shoot him.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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:depressing:

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Crazy_Horse] * 1
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Crazy_Horse said:
My dog got bitten by a rabid wolf and my brother had to shoot him.



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Tommy Kirk, child star of ‘Old Yeller’ and other Disney films, dies at 79


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (09/30/21 10:32 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/mercks-covid-19-pill-cuts-risk-death-hospitalization-by-50-study-2021-10-01/

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A planned interim analysis of 775 patients in Merck's study found that 7.3% of those given molnupiravir were either hospitalized or had died by 29 days after treatment, compared with 14.1% of placebo patients. There were no deaths in the molnupiravir group, but there were eight deaths of placebo patients.




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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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The mu variant has disappeared from the US. Delta is just too dominating


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