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Re: AB [Re: morrowasted]
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Bowel to bladder fistula. So it was a pretty high risk surgery.

She never woke up from surgery so it’s likely she also had a stroke during the procedure. It was the sepsis that killed her tho

My mom got her a slot for surgery at John’s Hopkins but she wanted to go with her local hospital 🤦‍♂️


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (09/23/21 03:59 PM)

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Re: AB [Re: morrowasted]
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Okay, thanks for clearing that up

I was indeed thinking along the lines of wrongly administered medicines and whatnot


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Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros...

A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.


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Re: AB [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Bowel to bladder fistula. So it was a pretty high risk surgery.

Oh, okay. I see. Yeah, the surgeons need to make the risk of such a surgery precisely clear when obtaining consent. If you are ever being told you shouldget  surgery, it is your prerogative to ask any questions about the surgery- exactly how it will be performed, what the precise success/failure/complication rates are for that hospital or for that procedure in general.

Unfortunately sometimes people who have last consciousness have to receive emergency surgery in circumstances where no family can be contacted to guide decision making and the person has no documents on them at the time (advanced directive etc.).

This is where hospitals and doctors frequently find themselves in sticky legal situations, and it's the reason that at least half of doctor/nurse time is spent in front of a computer screen thoroughly documenting everything, and why legal protections had to be put into place for personnel providing care under those circumstances

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Re: AB [Re: morrowasted]
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Sweden will drop all Covid measures on the 29th of September


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Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros...

A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.


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Re: AB [Re: Tripsurfer]
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I thought they didn’t have any measures.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: AB [Re: koods]
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They have some, mostly limits on the number of people allowed in public venues


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said:



Watch this morrow you are so far off track with your pro GMO you don't even know

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Re: AB [Re: koods]
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My dad died from alzheimer's.

Edited by Crazy_Horse (09/23/21 07:02 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: nan0]
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nan0 said:
morrowasted said:



Watch this morrow you are so far off track with your pro GMO you don't even know



You can't post stuff like this and then say that other people are on a high horse just because they reply to it laughing or something similar. You should expect that people are going to laugh when you post something like that.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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That creep's church is about 30 minutes from my house.


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Re: AB [Re: morrowasted] * 2
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Even if 1/2 to 3/4 of medical error deaths are explained/excluded by missed diagnosis or "trigger happy lawyers", the death rate from medical error is still quite a bit higher than covid. Someone dying from elective plastic surgery is a great example of a major mistake. They went in healthy and ended up dead. What a good example to prove this point, lol. I actually didn't know much about that case, but it's a lot more fucked up than I initially thought...

https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/16/showbiz/joan-rivers-cause-of-death/index.html
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/05/melissa-rivers-settlement-medical-malpractice-suit-joan-rivers-death

My uncle just recently died because of a drug combination prescribed to him that never should have been. He was essentially poisoned by a doctor who either didn't check or understand the interactions between the drugs he prescribed. No legal action will be taken because my family doesn't have the time or money to pursue it, and it's not going to bring him back.

I know how most of you seem to feel about anecdotal evidence, although it seems somewhat hypocritical because other people you agree with can use it and it often counts. My evidence was from two medical professionals who are both pro vax/vaccinated, quite different than Nikki Minaj's cousin's friend's testicle size claims. I'm sure someone out there could understand how what I'm hearing directly from two people I've know personally for decades working in the field dealing with all this up close holds more weight than conflicting data and studies in the media. I guess I'm doing it wrong though...if I was linking memes and twitter posts, I'd be getting all the plus ones in here.

I'm not anti vax, if you want to get it and think it will help you, go for it. I'm not going to trash anyone for that choice. It obviously elicits an immune response, and I don't doubt that it can help some people. However, I'm concerned about all the conflicting data and accounts regarding efficacy and side effects. There seems to be quite a few personal accounts of issues from the vaccine. That's in my own personal life, from people I know well...as well as people speaking out publicly. I'm not sure it's wise to completely discount all of that. I also keep hearing people(mostly on here) say unless you have a reaction a day or two after the shot, there's no way the shot has anything to do with it. Seriously?  A brand new technology that's never really been used before this has no chance of unknown long term side effects? I'm concerned that if it does, no one will make the connection...because they are told it's not possible in favor of reducing "vaccine hesitancy".

A normal healthy/young individual has an extremely low chance of getting really sick or dying from covid. Why risk possible vaccine side effects for a disease like that. It's not the same as polio or smallpox, not even close really. I know someone is going to say I should get it for everyone else around me, because that's what I keep hearing...but we aren't completely responsible for someone else's health. If you aren't taking care of yourself and get sick you can't really just blame someone else for that. There's many things one can do to better their own health. I'm not a sociopath for thinking that either. If you trust the vaccine works they way it should, you'll be protected if you have it, right? Would you blame a vaccinated person who is an asymptomatic carrier for getting other people sick with covid? If you are in the high risk group that's most severely affected by this virus, there's plenty of other contagious diseases out there that could make you extremely sick or die if you catch them.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said:
You can't post stuff like this and then say that other people are on a high horse just because they reply to it laughing or something similar. You should expect that people are going to laugh when you post something like that.


When I post a video to a talk of a lady who's warning about the dangers of GMO and a way forward for agriculture? She's got a phd in quantum physics.

You put GMO-activists, who fight for farmers rights to save their own seeds, are fighting for biodiversity, pushing back against bayers collonialism in the same boat as climate change deniers???

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Re: AB [Re: hummingbird] * 1
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Anecdotes are fine, it's all about how they're used. I think my hospital has a total of one Covid patient right now. If I was an anti-vaxxer I could use that to say Covid isn't real and it's all media hype. If I wanted to push the vax I could say it's because such a high percentage of people in my area are vaxxed. While the second statement likely contributes a lot, it's mainly just because the Covid rates are fairly low here right now. My anecdote is completely irrelevant to describe anything that's going on in Florida or Texas.


Taking the vaccine is not a risk. Getting Covid while unvaccinated is more risky in every way for every demographic except the few who are severely allergic to a vaccine component, and even then an epi pen pretty much eliminates that risk. Almost every other vaccine side effect happens far, far more often with actual Covid then with vaccination, and most who experience these side effects from the vaccine almost certainly would have the same or worse with actual Covid coursing through their body due to the way their body responded to a much smaller localized exposure to spike proteins.

The only way to "take care of yourself" in terms of staying safe from a virus is to either get vaccinated or don't go near people. Being "healthy" statistically helps a lot, but millions of people have underlying conditions and genetic predispositions that they don't even know about which leave them susceptible. Sometimes an innate immune system that is "too strong" actually makes things much worse. While young and healthy people are much less likely to die, some research shows they're more likely to wind up with conditions like myocarditis and debilitating long covid. This all just seems theoretical to most people until they end up being one of the many unlucky ones. Adaptive immunity is what you're looking for with viruses, and it comes through vaccination or exposure.

There's no need to assign blame. A vaccinated person is less likely to get infected. A vaccinated person will likely remain infected and a carrier/spreader for less time. A vaccinated person took a step that makes them far less likely to get those around them sick, it's up to them how much mor cautious they want to be, and it's up at risk people to determine their own comfort level with exposure. Many don't have that luxury though, such as if they require caregiver assistance or need to work in jobs that expose them.

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Re: AB [Re: feevers] * 1
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Even if 1/2 to 3/4 of medical error deaths are explained/excluded by missed diagnosis or "trigger happy lawyers", the death rate from medical error is still quite a bit higher than covid


It’s not. ~250,000 medical error deaths a year, or 685 per day. Covid deaths are over 2000 per day.  Covid is currently the leading cause of death in the United States. More than heart disease or cancer.

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My evidence was from two medical professionals who are both pro vax/vaccinated, quite different than Nikki Minaj's cousin's friend's testicle size claims. I'm sure someone out there could understand how what I'm hearing directly from two people I've know personally for decades working in the field dealing with all this up close holds more weight than conflicting data and studies in the media.


What conflicting data? All over the United States unvaccinated people are being hospitalized and dying at 10-20x the rate of the vaccinated. There is no rational explanation for your anecdotal reports that almost everyone hospitalized in your local hospital are vaccinated. You’re literally saying unvaccinated people in your community are magically not getting sick with covid. It’s an extraordinary claim and your personal relationship with the people telling you these things doesn’t even come close to being sufficient evidence.

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A brand new technology that's never really been used before this has no chance of unknown long term side effects?


mRNA only has one function. It tells a ribosome how to make a protein. The virus uses the exact same method to make copies of itself.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (09/24/21 09:06 AM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: nan0] * 1
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nan0 said:
morrowasted said:
You can't post stuff like this and then say that other people are on a high horse just because they reply to it laughing or something similar. You should expect that people are going to laugh when you post something like that.


When I post a video to a talk of a lady who's warning about the dangers of GMO and a way forward for agriculture? She's got a phd in quantum physics.

You put GMO-activists, who fight for farmers rights to save their own seeds, are fighting for biodiversity, pushing back against bayers collonialism in the same boat as climate change deniers???


what does quantum physics have to do with genetics, agriculture, or biology? people didn't go to steven hawking for open heart surgery or questions about how to sew a new fashionable dress - at least, i hope they didn't. just because you have a PhD in one field doesnt make you an expert in every field. you can be a genius in your own field and a complete idiot in every other subject. hell, with enough money you can even be a complete moron in your own subject....

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Psion]
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When I post a video to a talk of a lady who's warning about the dangers of GMO and a way forward for agriculture? She's got a phd in quantum physics.



Why the hell would you consider a physicist an expert on agriculture?


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods] * 2
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Lol for real tho, mofks trying to get a haircut from a dentist

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: QM33]
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feevers said:
Getting Covid while unvaccinated is more risky in every way for every demographic except the few who are severely allergic to a vaccine component



QM33 said:
Lol for real tho, mofks trying to get a haircut from a dentist



Speaking of allergic reactions and haircuts...heard about this on that radio for the first time today:

"Can coronavirus make you allergic to hair dye?"

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/coronavirus-hair-dye-allergic-reactions-b1925468.html


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whether low pressure sucks or high pressure blows...
it's a bugger to cycle in.

even though I'm feeling good
Something tells me I'd better activate my prayer capsule

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Re: AB [Re: koods]
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Lawyers can't cause medical error deaths.

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