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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Swami]
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Do you really know Lance Burton? I would also have her put a compass next to the glass bowl, nothing major, but I think it would provide a tad greater deal of accuracy.

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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Swami]
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A non-air catching object, eh? So something that isn't affected by air? That'd be something that isn't dinstinct from the affecting air. So, air. Every object 'catches' air to some degree. I think not having any strong air currents involved would be the way to solve that, and that's what the glass jar is for. If he can spontaeniously generate kinetic movement through air in a body of air seperated by a physical barrier (glass), I'd say that constitutes TK. You're making the experiment more complicated than it needs to be in order to be conclusive. Maybe 20 000$ conclusive is different than sane, reasonable conclusive, though...


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Panoramix]
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a spinning pin wheel! stop the presses


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: TheCow]
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I would also have her put a compass next to the glass bowl, nothing major, but I think it would provide a tad greater deal of accuracy.
Good suggestion - thanks! Add that to the list TK.

Do you really know Lance Burton?
I have met him, but we are not buds. However if TK could seemingly demonstrate such an ability on preliminary tests, I would gladly pay the man $500 for an hour of his time before shelling out $20K.


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Panoramix]
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A non-air catching object, eh? So something that isn't affected by air? That'd be something that isn't dinstinct from the affecting air. So, air. Every object 'catches' air to some degree.
*cough* True enough, but are you saying that psi "needs" an object SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to respond to minor air currents?

You're making the experiment more complicated than it needs to be in order to be conclusive.
He may come and demonstrate any time, but to collect, all known variables must be controlled. I have asked for nothing unreasonable nor undoable nor expensive nor requiring exotic equipment, now have I?


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Scarfmeister]
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swami, i don't mean to be dumb, but i need to know exactly what type of objects you'd accept so that i can begin practicing with those types of objects.

also, keep in mind that the only feat of telekinesis i can perform consistently is as stated, i'd much prefer you figure out something that i can videotape involving what i know i can do, then requiring me to delay this several days/weeks/months learning to do something new.

also, i don't really understand why you need a videotape beforehand. i mean i guess if you have to pay your lawyer or witness/whatever to come watch me then it makes sense you'd want to proof it for slight of hand trickery beforehand.

legally speaking how does this work? for instance if i do the experiment i outlined and you decide its some other factor after the fact (not pre-discussed) do i get to redo the experiment with new guidelines? do i have to pay taxes? is the notary there just to have everything filled out immediately?
no where on any of the legal documents should it say anything about telekinesis, a challenge, paranormal abilities, anything like that.


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: truekimbo2]
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swami, the only objects i've worked with are spinning things designed to move very easily with slight force. is that hunkey dorey? as part of the experiment we can account for air currents vs. the amount the object moves.


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: truekimbo2]
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Get a cork and stick in a needle vertically. Place a tooth pick with a small hole (so as to spin freely) horizontally centered on the needle and do it under glass. Simple enough.

I am most likely done with this thread as I have said my piece clearly. Now I need preliminary evidence else I will not waste my time with someone cupping their hands and creating a vortex around a pinwheel.


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Swami]
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i will attempt to do what you suggested.

however, i have said i can spin multiple pinwheels at once without the use of my hands. not much of an air vortex happening there.


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Swami]
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"...are you saying that psi NEEDS an object SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to respond to minor air currents?" truekimbo seems to think that they're the only objects he can do, so I'd say yes, at least in this instance. Maybe you can provide the pinwheel for the actual challenge to ensure there's no tampering. Actually, how about having the pinwheel selected in as random manner as possible by a mutually agreed-upon arbitrary organization? And have the organization's activities monitered and overseen by a handful of justices of the supreme court or whatever you've got handy.


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Panoramix]
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i wouldn't trust the supreme court to be free from secret shadow government psionic influence.

:P this is just silly, leave me in peace. its going to be bad enough i'm going to spend a hundred hours in the next month staring at a toothpick.


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: truekimbo2]
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truekimbo2 said:
its bad enough i'm going to spend a hundred hours in the next month staring at a toothpick.


hahaha. props man, i like your attitude. i hope you get it.

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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Swami]
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Swami what a load of BS! Why would he have to spin the wheel in water, if he can do it in an (provable) air tight container... quit changing the rules. air tight container= proven ESP... I can picture this now: TK arives at swamis house, does the airtight pinwheel, and even manages to spin it underwater, but then swami pulls the " ok I need to see you do it with no gravity before I give u the cash, so the next time NASA goes to the moon see if u can hitch a ride, now, GET OUT MY HOUSE FOOL"

There are other ways to prove no air flow BESIDES water. i am sure u can think of some.

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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: 2Experimental]
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Quote:
2Experimental said:
Swami what a load of BS! Why would he have to spin the wheel in water, if he can do it in an (provable) air tight container... quit changing the rules. air tight container= proven ESP... I can picture this now: TK arives at swamis house, does the airtight pinwheel, and even manages to spin it underwater, but then swami pulls the " ok I need to see you do it with no gravity before I give u the cash, so the next time NASA goes to the moon see if u can hitch a ride, now, GET OUT MY HOUSE FOOL"

There are other ways to prove no air flow BESIDES water. i am sure u can think of some.



You didn't read Swami's post correctly. The water is to indicate that the glass is air tight... at no point did Swami suggest a submerged performance.

"After completion, the object shall be removed, the jar filled with water and slowly rotated before the camera for a minute or two to show that no holes have been drilled in the jar."


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>air tight container= proven ESP
-If this was your only standard to prove ESP then I could fashion a pinwheel with blades that, when one side painted black and the other side painted white, would spin around quite well when exposed to sunlight and thereby prove ESP. It is fortunate for you to have taken no financial risk; you would have been quite had. \

However, Swam puts twenty thousand dollars on the line and all you can do is stand on the sidelines complaining when he takes measures to prevent against such false positives.

Edited by TheShroomHermit (05/27/04 06:48 PM)

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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: TheShroomHermit]
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I think that with 20 000$ on the line, Swami's more in need of people telling him about erroneous or unnecessary 'measures to prevent against false positives' than people to suggest them. The experiment is quite simple and if done properly (like in the manner truekimbo originally suggested, which was quite thorough in its accounting for exterior influences that'd possible create unwanted variables). A pinwheel isn't exactly the best indicator, though. Maybe one of those plastic lawnorniment-y flower dealies, seems like they only really spin when there's something to actually push them. Though in theory a pinwheel lined up straight that isn't spinning when a belljar is lowered over it should remain inert until it's disturbed by something, most likely viberations up the base of whatever it's attached to. Seems like sticking it in the ground would be the best way to avoid that. Having it suspended upside down, as was suggested earlier, runs the risk of having the string's swinging end up causing the pinwheel to spin.


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Panoramix]
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to whom ever it concerns,
i dont think swami has made any extreme or over-the-top requests.
i dont think he is trying to pull a fast one or trick anyone.
i think this will be a great experiement, and im kind of excited.
we should try to think of ways we can make this experiment better.

TrueKimbo2, good-luck, it will be something great if you can reproduce your results.

swami, good-luck, so far i think science and statistics are on your side, so i guess you wont need luck.


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: truekimbo2]
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truekimbo- Honestly, I'd really like to see you go through with this. I don't think you fully realize how impossibly amazing it would be for you to actually be successful with such a simple test. You'd be rich like no man.

I will personally come and shoot a documentary about you - FREE OF CHARGE (and you'll get half of whatever net profits I'd make). Then I'd make sure to send a copy to every major news outlet in the country (and some in other countries). An entire new industry will no doubt spring up surrounding you. Every superpower in the world would toss ridiculous amounts of money at you to get you to develop your telekinesis.

Of course, all you'd have to do is videotape your feat and be able to factor out any false positives.


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Sclorch]
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sclorch, i'd really prefer you stop with those kinds of posts.

either i can't do it, in which case none of that stuff would happen
or i can do it, and i know what i'm talking about when it comes to the psionic influence in the world already.

either way, those types of posts really really bother me, and i'd wish you'd stop. if you want i'll also stop making a type of facetious post of your choice.


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: truekimbo2]
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You think I was being sarcastic? Not at all.

I own and run a small production company. I'm dead serious. If you can do this, I will guarantee you an audience. And I'll let you have alot of input on the editing (I don't want you to exploit yourself).

If you want to talk more, send me a PM. I can't be any more serious.


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Sclorch]
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But this will be quite different than filming gay porn...  :crazy2:


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