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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: kaiowas]
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shlorch, assuming i really can do TK, and for now i understand thats a big assumption, all the things i've been saying about james randi and the government and modern psionic science is also true.

if i can really do TK, there is no way i can get hooked up with scientists or james randi.

BTW, i know someone that can do large scale TK (like levitate books and shit) that took the preliminaries (i'm not sure of what exactly she did in it, i think levitated various things) and 3 months later she got a letter saying she was disqualified for some reason.

and as far as the asbestos tile goes, i'll go find one and try it out, i'm assuming i can do it.


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: trendal]
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"Science is not, and should not be, in the business of creating beliefs. For the simple reason that science is not always correct"

great point here!  not to mention the egos of some scientists get in the way of their judgement.  but most scientists have an understanding beforehand of what it is make a prediction based on a theory, and then see if it's true.  science is a tool, a great tool, but not the only tool :grin:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
There is another possibility: telekinesis and related phenomena are an emerging ability of humans. If that was the case, I would expect to see things happen as they do: telekinesis would generally be a weak ability, if present at all, in most people.



I find it unlikely that we are still evolving in such a dramatic manner. Evolution like that could not occur today because simply there are just too many people in the world. It is not like it was back in the days when we were a small people, evolving. It was a much more contained system. For that kind of evolution to occur, then people who have telekenisis would have to continuously get together and have children. My biggest doubt that telekenisis is real is that I cannot see what our minds would be acting on. Are you implying that we can just focus on say a paper pin wheel, and then manipulate it? And what exactly are we manipulating? It seems to be a rather focused beam that we can achieve. Through a glass dome, and then manipulating only the certain atoms that we wish. And what is causing the motion? If we are causing motion it cannot just be by the air currents, because then this would not work in a vacuum. We would have to be starting something from rest, and then set it in a circular motion. But I cannot see where we get the energy to do such a thing. Our minds cannot project things that can go through glass and start a pinwheel in motion. If you can actually prove it, then I would be highly impressed. So highly impressed that I would have to believe that there is no physical reality, but more of a George Berkeley reality where everything exists because it is being percieved by the mind.
Edit: I realize energy is just a concept. but to start something in motion that was not in motion before, takes some sort of physical power. I am trying to identify what this physical power is.

Edited by TheCow (05/25/04 05:08 PM)

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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: TheCow]
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Evolution itself is exponentially increasing. First came physical evolution of our species, which took millions of years to reach this state. Then mental evolution, which spanned over thousands of years, and is constantly accelerating. Look at the evolution of the past 100 years which saw the the emergence of technology, appliances, computers, cars, commercial jets, modern medicine, and so much more. What's to say it stops here, and whats also to say the next evolution won't be metaphysical?

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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: kaiowas]
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"'Higher physics can get pretty illogical sometimes'

where?"

I find it gets a little abstract around quantum physics. But given the interdependence of all variables when we talk about reality and the actual system we live in rather than conjectured circumstances where all variables can be perceived and accounted for, I'd say illogical wasn't an unfair characterization. I mean, it's even called Chaos Theory, sounds like freaky shit to me.

"'but there's a degree of randomness that exists in reality that can't be explained otherwise'

there has always been this degree of error. scientists know this."

Alright, so we agree that we're in agreement. The probability of error is what makes theories theories rather than Grand High Commandments That Require Belief.

"'and pointing your finger at the pinwheel and shooting energy through glass into it causing it to move in an anonymalous manner is necessarily every aspect of what we're talking about'

for physics, energy is a concept, it's not real, just a concept we made up in order to analyze moving particles. you can't shoot out potential or kinetic energy our your fingers."

Yeah, my bad, that's supposed to read "...in an anonymalous manner isn't necessarily every aspect of what we're talking about". For physics, matter is a concept too, in that it can be argued that matter exists simply as a facet of energy just as easily as it can be argued energy is simply a function of matter. How is the motion of the particles less 'real' than the particles themselves?

Anyways, about evolution. Greater mental faculties seem to make it easier to live in larger groups. People are living in larger and larger groups. It's not like 1 000 000 years ago some proto-gopher was like 'fuck scales, I'm gonna try having hair cause then a million years down the line my species will have evolved into porcupines, whom are served very well by their hair!' Evolution is such a gradual process being undertaken in and ongoing manner, hence it's hard to be sure of a specific creature's actual limitations, particularly when it comes to mentation and cognation and stuff that we, as creatures currently evolving in a subtle and ongoing manner, might have trouble even making ourselves aware of. You can't use your own eye to look at your own eye, but you can look at it in a mirror. Only by establishing an external frame of reference with which to compare what evolution's going on now can we grasp what's actually going on. It's what archeology's about, studying the past as an evolutionary frame of reference for organisms that exist today.


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Panoramix]
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  there have been stories of poeple with super powers since civilization began, and i'm guessing far before that.

also, government research has shown that most everyone has the ability to do psionics.  genetics does play a factor in having the ability inherntly ON, but doesn't affect ability to progress to any large degree.

also, no on knows how TK works, i wouldn't try figuring it out on your own.

neat little tidbit: the official psionic take on OBE's is that they are hallucinatory in nature (very very generally speaking) and also they consider it no big deal.  much harder to project your consciousness while awake to a differnt PHYSICAL location and get sensory data from both places at once :smile:


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: truekimbo2]
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bumpitty

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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Revelation]
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bump bump


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: truekimbo2]
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> also, government research has shown that most everyone has the ability to do psionics

That explains why that casinos have such a hard time staying in business, eh? Gotta source for this mysterious government research that shows people have psionics?


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Seuss]
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Swami is going to have a lot on his plate when he gets back!

Someone wanting to take the Swami challenge, Mr.Mushrooms leaving, George Bush elected President..


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Jellric]
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> Swami is going to have a lot on his plate when he gets back!

So what happens first... Swami responds to this post or Shroomism disappears after Bush gets his letter?


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Seuss]
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seuss, not too many poeple are willing to spend thousands and thousands of hours trying to effect random number generators in order to perfect micro PK. however those that do, do go to casinos and win. also, i wouldn't be suprised if casinos had poeple to check for that sort of thing.


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Seuss]
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That explains why that casinos have such a hard time staying in business, eh?

I have mentioned this on three different occasions. Never get a valid refutation. If one could control those (extremely massive) dice, instead of an air-catching pinwheel, my $20K would be chump-change.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Swami]
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so what's the word on the challenge here S. Dogg? Are you gonna stand behind your money?

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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: truekimbo2]
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also, i wouldn't be suprised if casinos had poeple to check for that sort of thing.

Huh? What type of machine can detect imaginary psi-waves?


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: truekimbo2]
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"Not too many people are willing to spend thousands and thousands of hours trying to effect random number generators in order to... go to casinos and win"

I'm sure all the nerds here have had experiences of getting perfect dice rolls just at the most crucial moments (ah, Risk...). That's why the real money's in the games that involve dice or to a lesser degree cards rather than computerized slot machines or videopoker thingies. Also, with I Ching hexagrams, I've found I've been able to correctly predict results in a remarkable accurate manner, allowing me to decide on and then toss and get a specific hexagram (out of 64 possible hexagrams). I do only toss nine coins at once, so when I draw the hexagram I just do the bottom three lines off the toss and then toss again for the top three. The coins are of slightly different sizes and weights, but I haven't noticed this having any consistant effect on the tosses.


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Swami]
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"'also, I wouldn't be surprised if casinos had people to check for that sort of thing'

Huh?  What kind of machine can detect imaginary psi-waves?"

Notice he didn't say anything about a machine.  Truekimbo's already asserted that everyone's psionic to some degree, so casinos could theoretically recruit someone with a psionic predisposition for detecting people who can uses their minds to influence supposedly random events.  Didn't you wonder what was going on at that part of Run Lola Run where she's in the casino and all the security people start getting antsy and trying to hustle her out, but not before she walks off with 100 000 marks.  Clearly, this demonstrates that they had psionic-detection training or innate capabilities or however that preportedly works.  :naughty: :smirk:


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: truekimbo2]
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Here is the deal TK (Tele Kinesis?), before you come out, I will need a video for pre-screening purposes as I will have to get a local magician (maybe my buddy, Lance Burton), a notary public, my lawyer and another shroomery member (witness) of my choice, who would probably be evolving. He lives a few hundred miles away so this may take some coordinating.

Now you may come out anytime to demonstrate, but I need all the pieces in place before I part with the cashola.

Here is what I require on the video: I want to see you put a (non-air-catching) object inside of an upside-down jar with a lid on it. The lid must then be securely sealed with thick masking tape. (You can get a 1 gallon sun-tea jar for about $3.00) This jar must be placed on top of another upside-down clear drinking glass so that I can see it is at least 3-4 inches off of any surface. This glass must be on top of an iron skillet or stainless steel pan to protect against magnetism. A clock with seconds needs to be in the picture or imprinted on the video. Absolutely no edits shall be allowed. The object must be totally at rest, then rotated one way, come to a complete stop; then rotated the other way. Hands may be held near the jar, but no motion is allowed. Initally a wide-angle field should be shown with as little background clutter as possible, followed by some close-ups. After completion, the object shall be removed, the jar filled with water and slowly rotated before the camera for a minute or two to show that no holes have been drilled in the jar.

Let's see if you are ready to get serious.  :thumbup:


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: Swami]
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what would your definition of a non-air catching object be?

by the way, this is completely outside my skill range. however, i can make a video beforehand of what i can do, click over to the first page of this post and see what i can do to ammend it any.


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Re: swami, may i come take your challenge? [Re: truekimbo2]
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what would your definition of a non-air catching object be?
Do I really need to answer that?  :rolleyes:

by the way, this is completely outside my skill range.
Which part, filling the jar with water?


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