Stable Genius said:

I haven't seen any evidence either, but that news article did mention him dealing with a person connected to the Russian mafia.

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Stable Genius said:

Talk about bad luck for Donald though, unwittingly renting those 2 floors of office space to criminals, he's just plain unlucky the poor guy.

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How much do people get vetted before having office space rented to them though?  I don't know the answer, as I neither rent out, nor rent office space. 

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With Bayrock’s help, Trump began his broad transformation from a builder to a brander. He reinvented himself and his business model—going from being a force in real estate to a nearly bankrupt but brazen self-promoter who had mainly his name to sell. In lieu of the big banks, Bayrock helped to bring Trump back into real estate by supplying him with the equity stake he needed to entice new lenders for big projects, according to a former Bayrock official. The biggest of those projects was the Trump SoHo, the troubled 46-story condominium and hotel that has been a target of lawsuits since it opened in 2010 and is reportedly being investigated by Mueller over whether it was financed partly by Russian money.

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Stable Genius said:

If I was to believe everything in that article I'd say he was backed by Bayrock.

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Stable Genius said:

It says further in the article that Cohen was dealing with Felix Slater, did you see that bit?

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

As I previously said, Felix Slater is an American citizen.  I originally asked "What Russian criminals lent money to Trump?  I don't recall this story."

Again, I realize Felix was Russian-born, but he is an American.

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The Trump Organization did not respond to a request for comment for this article. But in a deposition related to Trump SoHo litigation, Trump said he was drawn to Bayrock because he was impressed with Kazakh-born Arif’s connections, and that Arif had brought potential Russian investors to meet him. “Bayrock knew the people, knew the investors,” Trump said.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

So you think evidence given to the Grand Jury was lost, and/or Mueller forgot to use it in the Mueller report?

How about a signature bet on this one? 

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You would just declare victory regardless

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Stable Genius said:

I haven't seen any evidence either, but that news article did mention him dealing with a person connected to the Russian mafia.

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Again to clarify, when you say the article mentioned "him" dealing with a person connected to the Russian mafia, did you mean Felix Sater, or Trump?  I only read Felix in your article.

Stable Genius said:

Talk about bad luck for Donald though, unwittingly renting those 2 floors of office space to criminals, he's just plain unlucky the poor guy.

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How much do people get vetted before having office space rented to them though?  I don't know the answer, as I neither rent out, nor rent office space. 

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Seriously_trippin said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

So you think evidence given to the Grand Jury was lost, and/or Mueller forgot to use it in the Mueller report?

How about a signature bet on this one? 

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You would just declare victory regardless

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koods said:

You get pretty fucking vetted if you’re signing a mutltimillion dollar lease

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Stable Genius said:

With dual citizenship? Does it really matter?

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Stable Genius said:

With links to the Russian mafia the story says, that probably matters.

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Stable Genius said:

The article says Bayrock paid Trump for using his name, once again this guy just has the worst luck.

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Stable Genius said:

The Trump Organization did not respond to a request for comment for this article. But in a deposition related to Trump SoHo litigation, Trump said he was drawn to Bayrock because he was impressed with Kazakh-born Arif’s connections, and that Arif had brought potential Russian investors to meet him. “Bayrock knew the people, knew the investors,” Trump said.

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Trump needed money; Bayrock had some.  It makes business sense to me. 


Might there be something improper here?  Possibly, I guess.  Is there evidence of any wrongdoing?  None that I've seen.

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I think everyone here knows Trump mostly made money later in life by selling his name brand.

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Sulfurshelfsean said:

I think his father being in the russian mafia is a pretty obvious russian mafia link...

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So Trump doing business with a Russian-American citizen working for an American company, whose father might have been in the Russian mafia makes Trump guilty of what exactly?

I apologize, I don't seem to be as smart as the rest of you to figure this out so easily. 

falcon said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

I think everyone here knows Trump mostly made money later in life by selling his name brand.

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I don't know that. I doubt putting Trump's name on anything increases revenue...

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Stable Genius said:

https://themoscowproject.org/collusion-chapter/chapter-1/

Has this already been discussed?

Either Trump has the worst luck for getting involved with criminals or he is one. Nobody can be that fucking stupid.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Seriously_trippin said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

So you think evidence given to the Grand Jury was lost, and/or Mueller forgot to use it in the Mueller report?

How about a signature bet on this one? 

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You would just declare victory regardless

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Let's let Enlil or Balls judge.  Bet?

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Again, I'm not as smart as the rest of you.  What wrongdoing does this show Trump has done?

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Tokhtakhounov, who had been indicted a decade earlier for conspiring to fix the ice-skating competition at the 2002 Winter Olympics, was the only suspect to elude arrest. For the next seven months, the Russian crime boss fell off the radar of Interpol, which had issued a red alert. Then, in November 2013, he suddenly appeared live on international television—sitting in the audience at the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow. Tokhtakhounov was in the VIP section, just a few seats away from the pageant owner, Donald Trump.

After the pageant, Trump bragged about all the powerful Russians who had turned out that night, just to see him. “Almost all of the oligarchs were in the room,” he told Real Estate Weekly. Contacted by Mother Jones, Tokhtakhounov insisted that he had bought his own ticket and was not a VIP. He also denied being a mobster, telling The New York Times that he had been indicted in the gambling ring because FBI agents “misinterpreted his Russian slang” on their Trump Tower wiretaps, when he was merely placing $20,000 bets on soccer games.

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On the few occasions he has been questioned about his business entanglements with Russians, however, Trump has offered broad denials. “I tweeted out that I have no dealings with Russia,” he said at a press conference in January, when asked if Russia has any “leverage” over him, financial or otherwise. “I have no deals that could happen in Russia, because we’ve stayed away. And I have no loans with Russia. I have no loans with Russia at all.” In May, when he was interviewed by NBC’s Lester Holt, Trump seemed hard-pressed to think of a single connection he had with Russia. “I have had dealings over the years where I sold a house to a very wealthy Russian many years ago,” he said. “I had the Miss Universe pageant—which I owned for quite a while—I had it in Moscow a long time ago. But other than that, I have nothing to do with Russia."

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“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets,” Donald Trump Jr. boasted at a real estate conference in 2008. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

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