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Re: unknown pans [Re: santa mose]
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You know it is funny how a picture can be deceiving and how I need them in my hand. but why don't we talk about the confusion of a picture and a bunch of genetic nonsense that has moved mushrooms all over the place with different categories which really don't have any purpose of being changed other than a more scientific collection which can ruin the fun of feeling the mushroom.


I am going to go research and hunt for a few months and will get back to you about all of that. I sure do love the fungus

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Re: unknown pans [Re: santa mose] * 1
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santa mose said:
You know it is funny how a picture can be deceiving and how I need them in my hand. but why don't we talk about the confusion of a picture and a bunch of genetic nonsense that has moved mushrooms all over the place with different categories which really don't have any purpose of being changed other than a more scientific collection which can ruin the fun of feeling the mushroom.



I don't know, there is not much confusion over OP's pictures - they are clearly a species of Panaeolus, and shows
none of the characteristic features in common with wood loving Psilocybe species occurring in Northern America.

As for "genetic nonsense" - I'm under the impression that mycology was never as interesting as it is these times with
all the work being done revising and cleaning up all the messy taxonomic work from pre-internet times. That for instance
two different species from different parts of the world previously understood as having little or nothing in common with
each other, now following DNA sequencing turns out to be one and the same species - it just makes perfect sense to me.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Anglerfish]
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Anglerfish said:
santa mose said:
You know it is funny how a picture can be deceiving and how I need them in my hand. but why don't we talk about the confusion of a picture and a bunch of genetic nonsense that has moved mushrooms all over the place with different categories which really don't have any purpose of being changed other than a more scientific collection which can ruin the fun of feeling the mushroom.



I don't know, there is not much confusion over OP's pictures - they are clearly a species of Panaeolus, and shows
none of the characteristic features in common with wood loving Psilocybe species occurring in Northern America.

As for "genetic nonsense" - I'm under the impression that mycology was never as interesting as it is these times with
all the work being done revising and cleaning up all the messy taxonomic work from pre-internet times. That for instance
two different species from different parts of the world previously understood as having little or nothing in common with
each other, now following DNA sequencing turns out to be one and the same species - it just makes perfect sense to me.



I believe it is mainly due to where it grows that the names are getting way out there. Just cause you found it over here does not mean that it is not the same as over there. The differences could be do to climate change and growth.... which may have an impact on the naming over all this time. Hopefully we can come together and put it right over the years cause I hate having to constantly update the names....

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Re: unknown pans [Re: santa mose]
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santa mose said:
I believe it is mainly due to where it grows that the names are getting way out there. Just cause you found it over here does not mean that it is not the same as over there. The differences could be do to climate change and growth....


This is apparently the case with one of the species I had in mind, Psilocybe aztecorum, which has been found growing as a petite
species in eastern Canada as P. quebecensis for years on end, most likely differing in appearance due to climatic differences.

Then to turn it all on its head, species like Pluteus salicinus which in US was thought to be the same as the European species, suddenly
comes out as a different species after all.

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which may have an impact on the naming over all this time. Hopefully we can come together and put it right over the years cause I hate having to constantly update the names....


That's the trouble with mycology - all the time it takes to get a publication validated is enough for someone to discover a new
trait or a new genome or whatever that changes the game almost as quickly as the previous papers hit the streets. So you find
a Xerula which was previously in the genus Oudemansiella, and as you're about to report the find you discover that its
current name is Hymenopellis, and then somebody suddenly starts calling it Oudemansiella again. It's like someone
is around messing up my sock drawer when I'm not there.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Anglerfish]
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Yeah well, I have been around since ten years ago but I was busy drinking and trying to fix world problems. I decided that I would take it easy and start the hunt again in a new location. I am just not sure where a good location would be to start hunting and growing again. Tis the season to practice my religion and have some fun.


I am just walking around with an injured foot trying to find a place in this world...

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Re: unknown pans [Re: santa mose]
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man eating those mushrooms fresh and walking over to that beach and tripping on it, my god!!!!  a sure brought spiritual experience.

epic.

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Typerwritermonky]
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Back at beach today so heres some "habitat" shots for you all@docs request..

Down road and path towards beach...

Tiny stream

And undergrowth...always cool and damp...still a few small shrooms here and there from last bit of rain

A close up of one

And some more shots of where I originally found/collected them on leaf heap and another looking from beach looking back towards path

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke] * 1
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Nice!

Shroomery has some trouble with the image server right now so I can't see the photos, but I'm going to follow this thread.

Very interesting find!

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Blue bruising around base of stem and where handled


Sounds promising! :smile:

Please collect some mushrooms and send to some of our mycologists here on Shroomery for identification. :smile:


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Re: unknown pans [Re: knarkkorven]
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Zifozonke, when you send them off to Alan, please make sure you include a tracking service, and
even send two specimens in separate parcels in case one gets lost, you never know.

I feel this is too important a find to miss the opportunity of a proper identification.
If it's something entirely new, it would be amazing!


knarkkorven said:
Shroomery has some trouble with the image server right now so I can't see the photos, but I'm going to follow this thread.



Yes, and it sucks, it has lately been happening too often, every two weeks I feel. I want to enlarge these pictures, those mushrooms
are maybe the most beautiful Panaeolus species I've seen. And a woodlover!


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Anglerfish]
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Thanks for the detailed habitat shots, much appreciated.


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Psilocybe cubensis data collection thread. please help with this project if you hunt wild cubensis.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26513593&page=0&vc=1#26513593

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Doc9151]
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So this is a wood lover panaeolus? :shocked:


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Mr. Alien]
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It appears to be a woodlover, but not enough is known at the moment to say for sure.


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Psilocybe cubensis data collection thread. please help with this project if you hunt wild cubensis.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26513593&page=0&vc=1#26513593

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Doc9151]
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Doc9151 said:
It appears to be a woodlover, but not enough is known at the moment to say for sure.


True enough. Never know if there's some shit hiding underneath those leaves and sticks.

But there are at least two species known to fruit in lignicolous habitats, so there is a possibility.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Anglerfish]
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Squirrel poo is real small, I had one briefly.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: vinnie boombotz]
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what a find congrats, have you named it yet?


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Re: unknown pans [Re: myconaut360]
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Still waiting on samples I sent abroad to arrive and be looked at....hopefully will hear soon...sent them weeks ago-but South Africas postal system has much to be desired...

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke]
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I love seeing the TI's get excited so I'm grabbing a seat for this :hehehe:

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Darkslide]
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Wow truly amazing...

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke]
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OP Have you considered attempting to cultivate them


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Shroomhunts]
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Shroomhunts said:
OP Have you considered attempting to cultivate them


Several people are attempting now


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