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Offlinebigtomster
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help IDing pan subbs in mich
    #4305100 - 06/16/05 09:06 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

i'm sorry to say i don't have a way of gtting pictures to you but here is the info




a. Habitat southeast michigan, in lawns (fertilized or not unknown)
b. Characteristics of the gills (color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc) black(sometimes light brown in youth? or these may be different species.), unattached to the stalk.
c. Measurements of cap and stem. ranging from maybe 1cm to 3cm cap diameter in largest specimens. maybe from 3cm to 8 cm in total height
d. Characteristics of the stem (color, texture, hollow/solid, brown fading to white as it nears the cap, very thin, fibrous, hollow
e. Characteristics of the cap is golden brown or tan with a black band.
f. Spore print color (very important!) jet black, some prints from identical looking mushrooms come out brown (probably pan foes?)
g. Color that the mushroom bruises- does not bruise
h. Scent of mushroom like mushrooms you buy at the store

we've been finding TONS of these things in a friend's subdivision. we figured they would be pan foes but after spore printing a lot of them came out jet black. i know subbs in lawns are supposed to be rare so i'm weary.


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: bigtomster]
    #4305206 - 06/16/05 09:29 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

Pan foes are active.
You need to eat 2.3 pounds(wet) to trip hard.


Sounds like a sub, if you are 100% sure the print is jet black.
Most the these lawn mushrooms reports are probably not pan subbs, because it is rare that they grow in lawns.


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: flowstone]
    #4305369 - 06/16/05 10:02 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

Are you sure? Im pretty sure pan Foes have absolutely no psilocybin or psilocin.


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #4305447 - 06/16/05 10:16 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

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Pan foes are active.
You need to eat 2.3 pounds(wet) to trip hard.




That is absolutely false, pan foes are in no way active AT ALL. No matter how much of them you eat you will never trip. I have eaten over a hundred specimens fresh and all I got was mild diahrea. This mushroom has been proven by tons of studies not to be active.


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: bigtomster]
    #4305817 - 06/17/05 12:11 AM (13 years, 7 days ago)

Thebigtomster and I both ate these mushrooms in relatively small quantities and we both had small buzzes. A friend of ours ate a significantly greater quantity and reported a definate buzz but he stated that it wasn't too prominent.

Those of you that say these are foes are probably wrong because the stems aren't white, also the prints aren't brown either. (I've printed foes before, the difference is clear) We hypothesized that our poor friend has a high tolerance(he also has a high tolerance to other drugs aswell)

We will probably get pictures up soon.


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: CptnGarden]
    #4305917 - 06/17/05 12:35 AM (13 years, 7 days ago)

They need to change the shroomery dose calculator then. I was quoting it. Check it out yourself!


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: flowstone]
    #4305932 - 06/17/05 12:37 AM (13 years, 7 days ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/12195


Panaeolina Foenisecii

Level 5 fresh = 2.3 pounds.


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: flowstone]
    #4305946 - 06/17/05 12:40 AM (13 years, 7 days ago)

Heh... It also says you need 163 grams of fresh Panaeolus sphinctrinus for a level 5 trip :smirk:

There are many inaccuracies, especially in older documents.

That's why you shouldn't give advice to newbies unless you know exactly what you're talking about.


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: ivi]
    #4306814 - 06/17/05 08:38 AM (13 years, 7 days ago)

he shroomery doage calculator has long been onsidered innacurate. it seems to be based on simple programming and optimistic gueses.
that any outright misinformation.


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4307188 - 06/17/05 12:20 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

hey im in michigan also, in Lansing


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: nonarky]
    #4307290 - 06/17/05 01:01 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

I had a bunch print really black from my yard yesterday too. I picked a few hundred. I'll find out Sunday night if I'm going to continue mowing them or start picking more. Seems like a mix of Subs and Foes, just kept the ones with darker stems.


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: MasonsChild]
    #4307347 - 06/17/05 01:36 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

Panaeolina foenesicii is inactive because psilocybin was only found in [barely] trace amounts in only a few of the tested specimens. An adult would have to eat pounds of these to feel a buzz, but several incidents with children are documented.

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/12179/pag/1


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4307383 - 06/17/05 01:52 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

There is no psilocybin, psilocin or baeocystin in the mushroom species known as Panaeolina foenisecii. No trace amounts, no slight amounts, no barely trace amounts. Non at all.

In the above mentioned tests when Panaeolina foenisecii was collected from lawns, taxonomic identification made, and specimens passed on for chemical identification, other species that contain these substances and macroscopically resemble Panaeolina foenisecii were most likely unintentionally included in the collections.

Do a search, you'll find hundreds and hundreds of posts about this.


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: ivi]
    #4307395 - 06/17/05 02:00 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

Only in one incident are other species mentioned, and the other poisoning cases are poorly doicumented as well. But the last, and most prominent case, includes no other possible species, the most imported exclusion being Panaeolus subbalteatus, and the girl involved identified the mushrooms herself as the ones she had frequently consumed.


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4307398 - 06/17/05 02:01 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

I WILL do more research at your request.
One source never was enough for skeptics...


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4307422 - 06/17/05 02:11 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

heres the full article.

http://www.mushroomjohn.com/panaeolina1.htm

If you wish to argue further, talk to mj.


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: ivi]
    #4307902 - 06/17/05 04:27 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Well jeez, I thought this site was dedicated to help stop the spread of dangerous mis-information related to magic mushrooms. Why hasn't the dosage calculator been changed yet and why haven't more people said something about it?


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: flowstone]
    #4308779 - 06/17/05 09:27 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Quote:

flowstone said:
Well jeez, I thought this site was dedicated to help stop the spread of dangerous mis-information related to magic mushrooms. Why hasn't the dosage calculator been changed yet and why haven't more people said something about it?




That is the idea, but most people dont even know that it exists, much less know that its inaccurate. I didnt know of its inaccuracy until this thread; i never use it.


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4308791 - 06/17/05 09:29 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Correction: I can only PRESUME that most people dont know about the DC.


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Re: help IDing pan subbs in mich [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4309203 - 06/17/05 11:20 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

i dont! what is it?


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