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    #2724791 - 05/24/04 10:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I've been finding TONS of Panaeolus sp. mushrooms growing in our lawn lately. I'm thinking they might be Pan subbs for a few reasons:

1. These grass that they are growing in is the same grass that the pan subbs grow from in the compost pile
2. The lawn is well very well fertilized
3. They macroscopicly resemble subbs, minus the skinny long stems.

So my thoughts are that they could possibly be active pans. I've seen a tiny bit of bluing on the mycelium, but not on every specimen.

I suppose there's one easy way to determine the activity of these mushrooms... a bioassay. I might attempt this tonight in the name of science. I figure I can't go wrong..

If they're inactive Panaeolus, I'll have the shits tomorrow.
If they're active Panaeolus, I'll have some fun tonight and have the shits tomorrow :wink: Eitherway, tomorrow won't be fun. I am 110% sure these mushrooms belong to the Panaeolus/Panaeolia genus, I've collected these mushrooms for many years and know them when I see them.

Anyways... Here's some pics of today's find that I might experiement with tonight:






I'll let you guys know how it goes if I decide to try it out.


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #2724841 - 05/24/04 11:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

They look exactly like the mushrooms i harvested out of my back yard, they ended up being Pan. Foes. But who knows just try them, and maybe you will have some fun.


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: phunkjunky311]
    #2724852 - 05/24/04 11:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Ehhhhh its the Florida mystery pan, come one, you know how variable they are!


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #2724911 - 05/24/04 11:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

GOD DAMNIT!!! Pans. piss me off


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #2724923 - 05/24/04 11:18 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yep thats the ones ive been finding. I would love to hear how it went.


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #2725275 - 05/25/04 12:24 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Update #1.

God damn. That tasted like ass.


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #2725477 - 05/25/04 01:06 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

lol


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #2725484 - 05/25/04 01:07 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Ive posted a few times on here about those same mushrooms. it appears in your pictures you have 2 species. one is the obvious "Haymower's mushroom" with a light brown cap and brownish gills with faint white lines that run along the gills. The other i have also found in large quantity, they seem to have a darker cap with darker gills(check gumbys last pic to see what im talkin about)either way id love to hear how it goes because its no understatment to say that in atlanta i have these bastards practically protruding from my anus. ive always blown them off to be just pan. foens.(always deemed inactive by my fellow members) however, i just read on the lycaeum ( http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=10392 ) that while washington specimens were tested to be inactive, eastern specimens proved to be "potent" who knows, but im sure as hell not gonna just go poopin random shrooms down my cake hole. I'll leave that to you sir gumby, and if u die, i got dibs on ur fucking subbs. biotch.
anyway if u have input, post it here cuz i know ive seen lots of threads on these mystery pans and im curious. -alex


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: ILoveCowShit]
    #2725494 - 05/25/04 01:10 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

POPPING******


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: ILoveCowShit]
    #2725645 - 05/25/04 01:45 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I know for a fact that they're all one species. The caps and such do funny things when the sunlight gets to them and the gills change color with age.

As far as activity goes... Looks like I'll be having the shits tomorrow for no good reason.

It's been an hour now and I'm getting no effects at all. Oh well... the bowels will be clean come this time tomorrow :x


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #2726618 - 05/25/04 07:52 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)


does this look like the same pan to you? ( i know its a pan of some sort has a black print) if so we may be finding the same mystery pan. inactive huh? good luck with the poops.
i think i am going to go back to the hay bail where i found the mystery pans that bruise blue at base of stipe.here is a pic of them growing...


the bluse stipe base i have in my hand there is form the hay bail mushrooms, how many would you suggest for a good bioessay, hehe.

on more question how many of the mystery pans did you ingest?


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #2727149 - 05/25/04 12:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: CptnGarden]
    #2728664 - 05/25/04 06:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Don't go making assumptions. They dropped black spore prints, so they're obviously not Pan foen, smart ass.


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: CptnGarden]
    #2728679 - 05/25/04 06:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

They are not pan foes. defenitely not. They have jet black prints.


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #2728947 - 05/25/04 07:23 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"Ive posted a few times on here about those same mushrooms. it appears in your pictures you have 2 species. one is the obvious "Haymower's mushroom" with a light brown cap and brownish gills with faint white lines that run along the gills. The other i have also found in large quantity, they seem to have a darker cap with darker gills(check gumbys last pic to see what im talkin about)either way id love to hear how it goes because its no understatment to say that in atlanta i have these bastards practically protruding from my anus. ive always blown them off to be just pan. foens.(always deemed inactive by my fellow members) however, i just read on the lycaeum ( http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=10392 ) that while washington specimens were tested to be inactive, eastern specimens proved to be "potent" who knows, but im sure as hell not gonna just go poopin random shrooms down my cake hole. I'll leave that to you sir gumby, and if u die, i got dibs on ur fucking subbs. biotch.
anyway if u have input, post it here cuz i know ive seen lots of threads on these mystery pans and im curious."

I'm pretty sure you're talking about Panaeolus foenisecii, not Panaeolina foenisecii. Also, if you were referring to the previous, the tests are believed to be flawed to to the similarity between these and active Panaeolus. Tedious Pans......


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: thearmedforces]
    #2729019 - 05/25/04 07:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

About that banana phone, haha!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...t=1#Post2728901
by the way nice find!


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Jopo]
    #2729070 - 05/25/04 07:58 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Panaeolus foenisecii/Panaeolina foenisecii, are these considered to be the same mushroom? I know it sounds stupid but I'm unsure. from what I've read, the panaeolus IS active while panaeolina is not? Confusing.


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #2729296 - 05/25/04 09:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i'm guessing they are Panaeolus papilionaceus?
no?


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    #2729325 - 05/25/04 09:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Check your PM please. :cool:


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: thearmedforces]
    #2729523 - 05/25/04 09:52 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

That original comment was from two books on shroom id. Gary Mensers book, Hallucnogenic and Poisonous Mushrooms,k" and David Arora's book, "Mushrooms Dmystified."

Menser said west coast Panaeolina foenesecii were not active and east coast specimens were.

There is no scientific reasoning f in that statement or fact.

They are not psychoactive at all. The original three analyses in the late 1950s and early 1960s are what is know as a false positive. Youi can read the complete story about why Panaeolina foenisecii is not psychoactive at the foillowing link.

Click Here


Also another point to bring to your attention. You claimed above that:

Quote:

I'm pretty sure you're talking about Panaeolus foenisecii, not Panaeolina foenisecii.




Well sorry to diappoint you. They are the same ge3nera and that is Panaeolina, not Panaeolus.

Panaeolus mushrooms have almost 25 species and 11 are psychoactive.

Panaeolina genera have four species and non are psychoactive.

Where di dyou come up with the concept that they are two different species.

There was also Psthayrella foenisecii and Psilocybe foenisecii, they are all synonyms for Panaeolina foenisecii.

mj


Edited by mjshroomer (05/25/04 09:59 PM)


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