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    #26382522 - 12/15/19 01:37 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)







Habitat:
Found growing just over the dunes next to beach on a pile of decomposing leaves.

Gills:
Light brown/grey/black

Stem:
40-80mm long by 2-4mm thick.light grey

Cap:
15-30mm hemispheric/convex grey/greyish-lightening in colour when drying with tan in centre of cap.striated when wet

Spore print color:
busy printing...

Bruising:
Blue bruising around base of stem and where handled

Other information:
Strong mushroom scent.

So got a surprise find today.
These seem to be kind of Panaeolus species Im unfamiliar with.I came across these while going to the beach in a pile of decomposing leaves.Didnt have my phone so couldnt take pics of where I found them.Just picked them and immediately noticed the bluing around the bases of some of the stems and then extending to where I handled them.These are not Pan.cyan that Im famililar with.
What have I got here...??

Edited by Alan Rockefeller (12/18/19 07:07 PM)

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke] * 1
    #26382601 - 12/15/19 03:36 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Very nice find, it's likely a new species.  Could be related to Panaeolus chlorocystis, described from Florida, which also fruits on woody debris.  Please carefully dry and save this collection, and try to recollect more and get photos in its native habitat.

Panaeolus which grow on woody debris are typically a once in a lifetime find that very few people ever get to see.

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26382653 - 12/15/19 05:00 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Those look gorgeous! A streak of luck that you walked upon them in such a pristine condition.

Please memorize the exact location and bring your camera back there to see if they keep fruiting, would love to see some habitat shots.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26382662 - 12/15/19 05:11 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Amazing find man! Absolutely amazing! Congratulations!:handth:
Thise striated caps are beautiful! Do everything the guys told, and I woukd like to add, plase take a spore print or sterile swab of the spores and send them to an expert cultivator to try to grow them, and multiply the availabke material for proper identification.

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Tangich]
    #26382686 - 12/15/19 05:42 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Tangich said:
take a spore print or sterile swab of the spores and send them to an expert cultivator to try to grow them, and multiply the availabke material for proper identification.




I second this.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26382716 - 12/15/19 06:10 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Beautiful finds man


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Re: unknown pans [Re: bloodycarcass]
    #26382781 - 12/15/19 06:49 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, these are absolutely amazing! Nice find!

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Re: unknown pans [Re: shroom28]
    #26382837 - 12/15/19 07:45 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Last picture, those gills are tremendous.

Edited by Stosch (12/15/19 08:16 AM)

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Stosch]
    #26382890 - 12/15/19 08:23 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Gorgeous..where in the world are ya?

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Re: unknown pans [Re: zerokool]
    #26382945 - 12/15/19 09:06 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Amazing find.


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    #26383000 - 12/15/19 09:30 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

:hereyougo:

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    #26383016 - 12/15/19 09:45 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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    #26383017 - 12/15/19 09:45 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I would eat them.
Yum yum.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: ft116] * 1
    #26383028 - 12/15/19 09:54 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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I would eat them.
Yum yum.



Good thing you weren't the one to find them then. :tongue:

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Tangich]
    #26383049 - 12/15/19 10:09 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

:popcorn:

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Tangich]
    #26383051 - 12/15/19 10:10 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Can't wait to go to the beach again!
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    #26383060 - 12/15/19 10:19 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

:eek:

Super cool didn't know such a thing existed.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: d0urd3n] * 1
    #26383110 - 12/15/19 10:49 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Will you please post habitat shots of your observations? This is a gorgeous find, definitely should be preserved for science and sent to someone like Alan Rockefeller for further study.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Doc9151]
    #26383152 - 12/15/19 11:19 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Holy hell, beautiful find!

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Doc9151] * 4
    #26383160 - 12/15/19 11:22 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you all for the warming responses!!
These I collected here in kwazulu Natal-South Africa-basically on a pile of leaves that had been piled up on a path leading towards beach.
Im heading back there tomorrow with camera-&hopefully with a bit of luck-and some more looking around-Ill find some more...
Got more rain on its way...
Prints are being taken..and samples are going to be sent...

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26383210 - 12/15/19 11:46 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome find!  Alan’s probably booking a flight to South Africa as we speak 😂

I’d still take habitat shots even if there’s no more fruits.  Would be interesting to see what species of trees they like.

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Re: unknown pans [Re: sy0352] * 4
    #26384441 - 12/16/19 02:42 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

So heres some habitat pics for you all from yesterdays discovery...


And some close ups of the piles and the different leaves they are made up of ......

Had a good look round....found none the same as yesterday-but found these...




Was a bit bummed so I decided to take a look at another spot not to far away thats always damp ...

And...after searching around abit..
Jackpot again!!

These fruits are a little older-but I can clearly see they are the same.

This time growing on a mix of decomposing bark/leaves/soil.

With loads of little pins here and there..

Just left the smaller pins.





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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26384791 - 12/16/19 09:51 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Again, wow!

The first ones look like maybe Marasmius or Gymnopus, can't really tell when they're that dry.

The Panaeolus species looks slightly different from your previous ones, in that they're obviously
strongly hygrophanous, where the others looked more even in colors.

Far from an expert on subgenus Copelandia but reading Gerhardts descriptions of the more rare
species, these new ones could match P. affinis or P. lentisporus macroscopically, and the forest
habitat is a match as well. I reckon there are no herbivores grazing in the near vicinity?

I assume you collected these new ones as well?

This thread is awesome. :super:


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    #26385184 - 12/16/19 01:43 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26385199 - 12/16/19 01:50 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Amazing find  :congrats:  :congrats:  :congrats:


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26385430 - 12/16/19 04:04 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Thank you all for the warming responses!!
These I collected here in kwazulu Natal-South Africa-basically on a pile of leaves that had been piled up on a path leading towards beach.
Im heading back there tomorrow with camera-&hopefully with a bit of luck-and some more looking around-Ill find some more...
Got more rain on its way...
Prints are being taken..and samples are going to be sent...



Glad to hear that you are preserving specimens for future studies, they will be something special for sure, either new to science or something not seen in a long time. Super excited to follow this thread. :cheers:


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Doc9151]
    #26385839 - 12/16/19 07:28 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Woah that is really cool it reminds me of a non-active species out in the field that have those lines on the cap and same coloration.  Not with the bluing like yours though very cool.  Or maybe I have seen a very miniature version?  I saw some very tiny mushrooms that looked something like that but didn’t see them as actives.


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    #26385947 - 12/16/19 08:21 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Exciting stuff

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Hamra] * 1
    #26386101 - 12/16/19 09:48 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Prints....Done in SAB.
Jet black as expected from a Pan. Species.

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    #26386123 - 12/16/19 10:00 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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    #26386232 - 12/17/19 12:30 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Nice fat prints. Next on your to-do list: cook up some agar plates. :cool::hehehe:

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    #26387283 - 12/17/19 03:18 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Good job Zifozonke !!

Will you get to name it ?! :smile:

Finding a new species is now in my To Do before I die :wink:


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    #26387302 - 12/17/19 03:32 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

"Panaeolus zifozonke" just sounds good doesn't it?

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    #26387366 - 12/17/19 03:58 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome!

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Re: unknown pans [Re: High Night Expanse] * 1
    #26387407 - 12/17/19 04:13 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Will you get to name it ?! :smile:




It's not that simple. Species names are usually based upon the identifying features of the species, or the type locality - in
this instance Kwazulu Natal - if this is in fact a new species, and this find becomes the type collection identifying the species.
Sometimes species are named after people, usually in honour of achievement within a relevant scientific area such as
mycology. It is the person(s) responsible for the published description that also gets to name the new species.

Good examples of naming by describing features are Psilocybe semilanceata and Pholiota velaglutinosa.

Psilocybe cubensis exemplifies naming after type locality, and Tricholoma guldeniae in honour of significant
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Re: unknown pans [Re: Anglerfish] * 2
    #26387478 - 12/17/19 04:50 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

It's usually not a good idea to name a mushroom after a place, as it is later always found somewhere else.    Many people name mushrooms after their girlfriends, but they are usually broken up before the name gets published.

A good name is one that still has meaning a hundred thousand years later - referring to a feature that distinguishes it from its closest relatives.

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    #26387541 - 12/17/19 05:28 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Many people name mushrooms after their girlfriends, but they are usually broken up before the name gets published.





I tried to imagine that thought process... It seems so cringe it could only lead to bad luck! Yes I shall name this likely phallus shaped organism - so cute - after my sweetheart to whom it bears a uncanny resemblance, and occupies a similar space in my heart.  :facepalm:

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    #26387561 - 12/17/19 05:36 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

That is very, very cool. You are definitely living right Zifozonke to be so fortunate!

Edited by fuktardles (11/03/22 10:42 PM)

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    #26387607 - 12/17/19 05:59 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Noobie question... If you find a mushroom is there somewhere that you can send a piece of it to have them test it and give you a breakdown? The same way they send weed strains out?

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    #26387642 - 12/17/19 06:28 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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It's usually not a good idea to name a mushroom after a place, as it is later always found somewhere else.


 

My thought as well, and P. cubensis is a good example. Might as well call it P. closetensis since it's probably even more common in
people's closets than in Cuba. Thinking of it - what would be a suitable standout feature of that species to give it a proper scientific name?

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Many people name mushrooms after their girlfriends, but they are usually broken up before the name gets published.




Any examples of this?

Quote:


A good name is one that still has meaning a hundred thousand years later - referring to a feature that distinguishes it from its closest relatives.




As for instance P. semilanceata does, and Psathyrella aquatica (until someone perhaps starts finding it on dry land).


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26387662 - 12/17/19 06:46 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Wow! I would like to own a culture like those pans. Great find!

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    #26387694 - 12/17/19 07:24 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Thread of the year?

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    #26388555 - 12/18/19 11:17 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's fitting for Psilocybe cubensis to be named after Cuba since cattle arrived in Cuba before North America, but they probably originated in Africa or (Sub)Tropical Asia, so if geography is to be used maybe cubes should be called Psilocybe asiaticii or Psilocybe  africana.

I admit that I like the name Panaeolus zifozonke.


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    #26388695 - 12/18/19 12:59 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

So how can I get some of these panaleous zifozonke spores? For scientific research of course.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26388802 - 12/18/19 01:53 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

Aendir said:
Will you get to name it ?! :smile:




It's not that simple. Species names are usually based upon the identifying features of the species, or the type locality - in
this instance Kwazulu Natal - if this is in fact a new species, and this find becomes the type collection identifying the species.
Sometimes species are named after people, usually in honour of achievement within a relevant scientific area such as
mycology. It is the person(s) responsible for the published description that also gets to name the new species.

Good examples of naming by describing features are Psilocybe semilanceata and Pholiota velaglutinosa.

Psilocybe cubensis exemplifies naming after type locality, and Tricholoma guldeniae in honour of significant
achievement in the field of mycology.




Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
It's usually not a good idea to name a mushroom after a place, as it is later always found somewhere else.    Many people name mushrooms after their girlfriends, but they are usually broken up before the name gets published.

A good name is one that still has meaning a hundred thousand years later - referring to a feature that distinguishes it from its closest relatives.




Thank you for the explanations !


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Re: unknown pans [Re: CaliStudentGrower]
    #26389390 - 12/18/19 07:07 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Anglerfish said:
Thinking of it - what would be a suitable standout feature of that species to give it a proper scientific name?




Psilocybe coprophila, Psilocybe annulata, Psilocybe aureoannulata or Psilocybe coproannulata would be reasonable names for P. cubensis.


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Any examples of this?





Mycena perlae

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Noobie question... If you find a mushroom is there somewhere that you can send a piece of it to have them test it and give you a breakdown? The same way they send weed strains out?




https://energycontrol-international.org

They charge 70 euros for a full chemical analysis including purity.

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26390701 - 12/19/19 01:06 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Thank You, this is exactly what I'm looking for. Now I just need to find one in the US (if they have one)

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Re: unknown pans [Re: n0bel]
    #26390854 - 12/19/19 03:06 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Thread of the year?



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Re: unknown pans [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26390866 - 12/19/19 03:13 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Many people name mushrooms after their girlfriends, but they are usually broken up before the name gets published.


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Anglerfish said:Any examples of this?





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Mycena perlae







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Summary: Mycena perlae Cortés-Pérez, Desjardin & Rockefeller, Mycologia 111 (2): 334 (2019) [MB#822909]




I assume it wasn't you who named this then... or...? :biggrin:

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26392542 - 12/20/19 02:09 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

OP, don't forget to collect specimens at all stages of development that you possibly can and make photographic records of those collections while they're fresh.  Do so preferably with a ruler in the photos.

Congrats on your beautiful and rare find.

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    #26393238 - 12/20/19 10:09 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Ive been looking .....dont worry...If they come again Ill certainly snap some shots and update you all.

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    #26404052 - 12/28/19 03:55 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

So a small update as promised.... a few fruits have popped up again after some light rains.
One solitary fruit

With a close up

And a couple that something has been munching on....:sad:


5meters or so beyond these fruits...

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26404309 - 12/28/19 09:12 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I love the fact that it doesn't need manure to grow and is very similar to Pan Cyan. It probably would grow fine with a straw substrate?

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26405024 - 12/28/19 04:32 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

This looks very similar to what Guzman described as Panaeolus chlorocystis, I think Alan is spot on. Can't wait to see what happens,  hopefully specimens have been sent for study.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26405321 - 12/28/19 08:00 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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So a small update as promised.... a few fruits have popped up again after some light rains.
One solitary fruit





That's one pretty mushroom right there.

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    #26422741 - 01/08/20 10:55 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Rain and humidty has bought some fruits again
Took a walk to beach spot and dotted along the path here and there-were fruits-amongst some rotting bougainvillea leaves and sticks.

A bit further along spotted this real beauty-few cracks in cap but was green/blue-really pretty

Got to place where I originally found them and...

Headed back up path to road and spotted this one loner

If it was growing in dung - I would have said it was a P.cyan
Almost snow white cap-but this one is very much out in open-not like the others in the wet undergrowth
Just picked these few fruits for some pics and prints.

There were many fruits I just left-no doubt they are established and really happy to be in this zone.

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke] * 1
    #26423048 - 01/08/20 02:16 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Will you please try to get  good habitat shots that show the broader area without giving away your spot? Myself and many others would greatly appreciate it.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Doc9151]
    #26426978 - 01/10/20 05:47 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'm going to go with this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_caerulipes


You know blue foots are pretty rare and I heard from a friend that they grow in west virgina but I am unsure fully of the past. I can't wait to start hunting mushrooms again and can I get a TI badge pronto... You know, I only post when I know.

I looked at these and thought panaeolus but my mind navigated through a bunch of mushrooms when I looked at this. I love the internet and how I can look at the fungus all the time. But make sure to tell location because I need to know where all my fungal friends are and where they grew with temperature gradients. It would be nice if the government would supply me with that... It would be great!!

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    #26427285 - 01/10/20 09:13 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm going to go with this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_caerulipes


You know blue foots are pretty rare and I heard from a friend that they grow in west virgina but I am unsure fully of the past. I can't wait to start hunting mushrooms again and can I get a TI badge pronto... You know, I only post when I know.

I looked at these and thought panaeolus but my mind navigated through a bunch of mushrooms when I looked at this. I love the internet and how I can look at the fungus all the time. But make sure to tell location because I need to know where all my fungal friends are and where they grew with temperature gradients. It would be nice if the government would supply me with that... It would be great!!





Psilocybe caerulipes has a different cap color, different cap shape, different cap texture, different stem texture, different gill color and different substrate, and doesn't occur in Africa.

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26427288 - 01/10/20 09:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

not sure, are you going to be doing your DNA sequencing forever or are you gonna get back to the times...

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    #26427295 - 01/10/20 09:22 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

You know it is funny how a picture can be deceiving and how I need them in my hand. but why don't we talk about the confusion of a picture and a bunch of genetic nonsense that has moved mushrooms all over the place with different categories which really don't have any purpose of being changed other than a more scientific collection which can ruin the fun of feeling the mushroom.


I am going to go research and hunt for a few months and will get back to you about all of that. I sure do love the fungus

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Re: unknown pans [Re: santa mose] * 1
    #26427489 - 01/11/20 02:17 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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You know it is funny how a picture can be deceiving and how I need them in my hand. but why don't we talk about the confusion of a picture and a bunch of genetic nonsense that has moved mushrooms all over the place with different categories which really don't have any purpose of being changed other than a more scientific collection which can ruin the fun of feeling the mushroom.





I don't know, there is not much confusion over OP's pictures - they are clearly a species of Panaeolus, and shows
none of the characteristic features in common with wood loving Psilocybe species occurring in Northern America.

As for "genetic nonsense" - I'm under the impression that mycology was never as interesting as it is these times with
all the work being done revising and cleaning up all the messy taxonomic work from pre-internet times. That for instance
two different species from different parts of the world previously understood as having little or nothing in common with
each other, now following DNA sequencing turns out to be one and the same species - it just makes perfect sense to me.


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    #26427737 - 01/11/20 09:07 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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You know it is funny how a picture can be deceiving and how I need them in my hand. but why don't we talk about the confusion of a picture and a bunch of genetic nonsense that has moved mushrooms all over the place with different categories which really don't have any purpose of being changed other than a more scientific collection which can ruin the fun of feeling the mushroom.





I don't know, there is not much confusion over OP's pictures - they are clearly a species of Panaeolus, and shows
none of the characteristic features in common with wood loving Psilocybe species occurring in Northern America.

As for "genetic nonsense" - I'm under the impression that mycology was never as interesting as it is these times with
all the work being done revising and cleaning up all the messy taxonomic work from pre-internet times. That for instance
two different species from different parts of the world previously understood as having little or nothing in common with
each other, now following DNA sequencing turns out to be one and the same species - it just makes perfect sense to me.





I believe it is mainly due to where it grows that the names are getting way out there. Just cause you found it over here does not mean that it is not the same as over there. The differences could be do to climate change and growth.... which may have an impact on the naming over all this time. Hopefully we can come together and put it right over the years cause I hate having to constantly update the names....

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    #26427773 - 01/11/20 09:35 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I believe it is mainly due to where it grows that the names are getting way out there. Just cause you found it over here does not mean that it is not the same as over there. The differences could be do to climate change and growth....




This is apparently the case with one of the species I had in mind, Psilocybe aztecorum, which has been found growing as a petite
species in eastern Canada as P. quebecensis for years on end, most likely differing in appearance due to climatic differences.

Then to turn it all on its head, species like Pluteus salicinus which in US was thought to be the same as the European species, suddenly
comes out as a different species after all.

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which may have an impact on the naming over all this time. Hopefully we can come together and put it right over the years cause I hate having to constantly update the names....




That's the trouble with mycology - all the time it takes to get a publication validated is enough for someone to discover a new
trait or a new genome or whatever that changes the game almost as quickly as the previous papers hit the streets. So you find
a Xerula which was previously in the genus Oudemansiella, and as you're about to report the find you discover that its
current name is Hymenopellis, and then somebody suddenly starts calling it Oudemansiella again. It's like someone
is around messing up my sock drawer when I'm not there.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26427850 - 01/11/20 10:30 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah well, I have been around since ten years ago but I was busy drinking and trying to fix world problems. I decided that I would take it easy and start the hunt again in a new location. I am just not sure where a good location would be to start hunting and growing again. Tis the season to practice my religion and have some fun.


I am just walking around with an injured foot trying to find a place in this world...

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    #26428276 - 01/11/20 02:45 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

man eating those mushrooms fresh and walking over to that beach and tripping on it, my god!!!!  a sure brought spiritual experience.

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #26429256 - 01/12/20 07:42 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Back at beach today so heres some "habitat" shots for you all@docs request..

Down road and path towards beach...

Tiny stream

And undergrowth...always cool and damp...still a few small shrooms here and there from last bit of rain

A close up of one

And some more shots of where I originally found/collected them on leaf heap and another looking from beach looking back towards path

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke] * 1
    #26429266 - 01/12/20 07:54 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Nice!

Shroomery has some trouble with the image server right now so I can't see the photos, but I'm going to follow this thread.

Very interesting find!

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Blue bruising around base of stem and where handled



Sounds promising! :smile:

Please collect some mushrooms and send to some of our mycologists here on Shroomery for identification. :smile:

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Re: unknown pans [Re: knarkkorven]
    #26429279 - 01/12/20 08:10 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Zifozonke, when you send them off to Alan, please make sure you include a tracking service, and
even send two specimens in separate parcels in case one gets lost, you never know.

I feel this is too important a find to miss the opportunity of a proper identification.
If it's something entirely new, it would be amazing!


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Shroomery has some trouble with the image server right now so I can't see the photos, but I'm going to follow this thread.





Yes, and it sucks, it has lately been happening too often, every two weeks I feel. I want to enlarge these pictures, those mushrooms
are maybe the most beautiful Panaeolus species I've seen. And a woodlover!


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26429463 - 01/12/20 10:34 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the detailed habitat shots, much appreciated.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Doc9151]
    #26431797 - 01/13/20 05:16 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

So this is a wood lover panaeolus? :shocked:

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    #26431843 - 01/13/20 05:40 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It appears to be a woodlover, but not enough is known at the moment to say for sure.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Doc9151]
    #26432613 - 01/14/20 05:54 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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It appears to be a woodlover, but not enough is known at the moment to say for sure.




True enough. Never know if there's some shit hiding underneath those leaves and sticks.

But there are at least two species known to fruit in lignicolous habitats, so there is a possibility.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26433778 - 01/14/20 06:50 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Squirrel poo is real small, I had one briefly.


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    #26462694 - 01/31/20 07:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

what a find congrats, have you named it yet?


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    #26462900 - 01/31/20 10:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Still waiting on samples I sent abroad to arrive and be looked at....hopefully will hear soon...sent them weeks ago-but South Africas postal system has much to be desired...

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    #26506575 - 02/27/20 02:02 PM (4 years, 30 days ago)

I love seeing the TI's get excited so I'm grabbing a seat for this :hehehe:

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    #26506798 - 02/27/20 04:15 PM (4 years, 30 days ago)

Wow truly amazing...

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OP Have you considered attempting to cultivate them


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OP Have you considered attempting to cultivate them




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    #26507397 - 02/27/20 11:11 PM (4 years, 30 days ago)

Ive only managed to get them just past pin stage from MS...nothing even close to getting prints from(yet)

I dont think these like too much FAE like cyans-Im still trying to figure them out ...??
Found a cheap humidifier at a thrift store that Im playing around with now.
Ended up ditching this tray cause I needed the space for another one of my cyan grows.
Got some clones from the original fruits Ive cleaned up which Im gonna try running soon.
Im pretty sure some of the people Ive handed prints to are going to do them the justice they deserve-I myself can hardly wait so see a tray full of these...

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    #26570451 - 04/01/20 06:16 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Are there any updates to this? Were samples able to get sequenced? Was anyone able to properly ID this yet?

Has anyone had any luck with cultivating these?

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Ive only managed to get them just past pin stage from MS...nothing even close to getting prints from(yet)

I dont think these like too much FAE like cyans-Im still trying to figure them out ...??




Hey Zif, what substrate/conditions did you use here? Same as cyans?


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    #26570544 - 04/01/20 07:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'm curious about this as well :popcorn:


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    #26574395 - 04/03/20 01:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Specimens received today.  My lab is closed but I set up a small DNA lab in my bedroom so it's likely I'll have some answers soon.

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    #26575218 - 04/03/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Nice...this is exciting now...Im so happy you finally recieved the samples and really am looking foward to see what you find on these.

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    #26575285 - 04/03/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Awesome!  Cant wait to see what these come up to be


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    #26576211 - 04/03/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

:jah::goodluck::popcorn:

I have been patiently waiting for the news about this, super excited to see what happens :dancer: Sending Alan lots of positive vibes to help those little beauties tell their story.


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    #26577289 - 04/04/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

:takingnotes:

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    #26599383 - 04/14/20 01:26 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)





I added a little lignin powder to this container and some poppy seeds to another. I love experimenting. I'm only growing them for my mom she got the cancer depression. Does anyone know a type of mushroom that boosts immune system?




Edit:  they oan cyans but they look like they pinning before casing

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    #26599408 - 04/14/20 01:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I added a little lignin powder to this container and some poppy seeds to another. I love experimenting. I'm only growing them for my mom she got the cancer depression. Does anyone know a type of mushroom that boosts immune system?




Edit:  they oan cyans but they look like they pinning before casing




For immune-boosting mush I recommend Reishi and Birch polypore.

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    #26601363 - 04/14/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I added a little lignin powder to this container and some poppy seeds to another. I love experimenting. I'm only growing them for my mom she got the cancer depression. Does anyone know a type of mushroom that boosts immune system?




Edit:  they oan cyans but they look like they pinning before casing




For immune-boosting mush I recommend Reishi and Birch polypore.





Agarikon!  Or anything from the Stamets line in my opinion.  Turkey tail.


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    #26601389 - 04/14/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Chaga,inonotus obliquus.

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    #26602465 - 04/15/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

There are several species that are used to boost the immune system:
1. Ganoderma species
2. Trametes versicolor
3. chaga
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    #26604333 - 04/15/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the replies guys, it means a lot. I'm starting to think this community is better than 4chan LOL

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    #26605307 - 04/16/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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    #26605826 - 04/16/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

:takingnotes:

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    #26833935 - 07/20/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Is there any update on this? Have the genes been sequenced?

Has anyone had any luck cultivating these?


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Re: unknown pans [Re: One of Us] * 2
    #26834182 - 07/20/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Still waiting on Alan R for a update on his findings//results
Hanswermhat recently got a tray with a few fruits and then did them outdoors and got some lovely fruits...
There are a few people I handed prints to that are having a go at them...
Jake mentioned in the pan thread that he has a tray(s) getting ready to fruit..thatll be interesting 4 sure-he seems excited...so am pretty sure once everythings been checked out and tests done-we will get some news.

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    #26834218 - 07/20/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Good to hear. I haven't been keeping up in the pan thread for a bit. I'll definitely have to check it more to see Jake's pics.. that'll be amazing I'm sure!
I do have a nice looking LC of these that is ready to use as soon as I can find some manure around here.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: One of Us]
    #26853454 - 07/30/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Hanswermhat recently got a tray with a few fruits and then did them outdoors and got some lovely fruits...



Do you have a link to that thread?

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26853656 - 07/30/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Jake mentioned in the pan thread that he has a tray(s) getting ready to fruit..thatll be interesting 4 sure-he seems excited...so am pretty sure once everythings been checked out and tests done-we will get some news.




I think his trays stalled out.

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 4
    #27026717 - 11/07/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Well it's been almost a year...wow
This year has flown by.
Weather right now where I am has been typical for this time of year-Rains&lighting coupled with hot days and very humid conditions
So of course I been looking everytime I go to the beach and today...surprise surprise
Pans in every nook and cranny

The more I looked the more I saw
They certainly have established themselves in this area

...aswell as some tasty Termitomyces further down the road for the pot

These are one of my favorite local edibles to look for
They are found scattered around termite ant mounds and are cultivated deep inside by the ants
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    #27026756 - 11/07/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Great stuff man! So what are these pans after all? Panaeolus zifozonkeii?

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Re: unknown pans [Re: ZenZone]
    #27026782 - 11/07/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Beautiful shots, Ziffy!

Are those Pans in the first pic so tiny or are African pill bugs fucking enormous?

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    #27026981 - 11/07/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Beautiful pans! I swear the macro features of these look JUST LIKE the panaeolus cyanescens (copelandia) that i find. I wonder if these are an undescribed copelandia. Have you sent then for sequencing?


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Re: unknown pans [Re: MentalPariah]
    #27026996 - 11/07/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Zifo, wish these were as easy to fruit as the Wild Coast man.

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Re: unknown pans [Re: MentalPariah]
    #27027499 - 11/07/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Have you sent then for sequencing?




I have some and plan to run them soon.  I sent some gill fragments to another user who was successful in cultivating them.

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    #27027611 - 11/07/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Have you sent then for sequencing?




I have some and plan to run them soon.  I sent some gill fragments to another user who was successful in cultivating them.




:wat:
From a gill fragment??
:mindexpanding:

How does that work? I assume the tissue was dry, right?
So how does one cultivate from dry tissue? Does it have to be gill tissue?
Or he obtained spores from the gill fragment?
I have so many questions I'm sorry.

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    #27027655 - 11/07/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Have you sent then for sequencing?




I have some and plan to run them soon.  I sent some gill fragments to another user who was successful in cultivating them.




Oh ok! Well I look forward to the result


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Re: unknown pans [Re: ZenZone]
    #27027851 - 11/08/20 01:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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How does that work? I assume the tissue was dry, right?
So how does one cultivate from dry tissue? Does it have to be gill tissue?
Or he obtained spores from the gill fragment?
I have so many questions I'm sorry.





If the gills are clean enough, you can just throw them on agar and they fire up a culture.  Probably from the spore but it's also possible the gill mycelium (lamellar trama) revives.

If they aren't that clean, serial dilutions are done so the spores germinate in different spots on the agar dish than the mold, yeast and bacteria.

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    #27027908 - 11/08/20 03:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

:borat:


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    #27028424 - 11/08/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

@Adas
Haha ...well spotted there...to try put into perspective those fruits in that pic are all in the 3-4gram range and the pill bugs are around the size of a golf ball when rolled up

@Asura
And you know then....

@AlanRockefellar
Did you take a look at the samples/spores under the microscope??
If so did you note anything different//comparable to other pan varieties you have studied?

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    #27028530 - 11/08/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

hello Shoomerites!


This is the unidentified pan species from Africa. *with 90% certainty


Substrate: Basic pine forest floor recipe.
Choir
Straw
Manure
Sand
Red Clay
Conifer compost
Gypsum

Casing: Azura's pan casing recipe
Peat
verm
Lime
Hydrated lime



The myc acts and looks like a mix between pan and mexicana on agar. The growth was like a mix of the two species as well. They took longer to colonize substrate(30 days) and pin(20 days) than pan cyans, but that could have been due to imperfect conditions. However once they started fruiting they would pin and abort with the same finickyness of pans. The biggest difference from pans though is the cap texture. From my experience, pans in general have an almost rigid cap that can easily break, where with cubes, mexicana etc the caps are much more pliable. The caps of this new species are somewhere in between.

I didn't end up getting more pictures because after this first flush they just kept fruiting like pans do so I just focused on getting prints for Alan to study. Also, I didn't end up saving enough for a type collection so I pulled the master culture back out to noc some bags with tomorrow. 

Potency? I didn't try them. FWIW, I can tell you that the cut area of the stems turned blue/black within 5 minutes, like a normal pan.

*Why 90% certainty? Well, In my attempt to cram my wine fridge with more nocced up bags a few of the bags' labels fell off. Luckily this is the only pan I had going pre November. To add to that, every other bag without a label fruited so I was able to identify the species and rule them out. Plus, this is the only species I had going that grow this fast once pinned, everything else is zapos, paupuanas, caerulescens etc...

If you have any questions feel free to ask. I will be checking this thread daily. Only daily because I am extremely busy right now <3

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    #27028534 - 11/08/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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If the gills are clean enough, you can just throw them on agar and they fire up a culture.  Probably from the spore but it's also possible the gill mycelium (lamellar trama) revives.

If they aren't that clean, serial dilutions are done so the spores germinate in different spots on the agar dish than the mold, yeast and bacteria.




Thank you Alan! :bow2:

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    #27028535 - 11/08/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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hello Shoomerites!


This is the unidentified pan species from Africa. *with 90% certainty


Substrate: Basic pine forest floor recipe.
Choir
Straw
Manure
Sand
Red Clay
Conifer compost
Gypsum

Casing: Azura's pan casing recipe
Peat
verm
Lime
Hydrated lime



The myc acts and looks like a mix between pan and mexicana on agar. The growth was like a mix of the two species as well. They took longer to colonize substrate(30 days) and pin(20 days) than pan cyans, but that could have been due to imperfect conditions. However once they started fruiting they would pin and abort with the same finickyness of pans. The biggest difference from pans though is the cap texture. From my experience, pans in general have an almost rigid cap that can easily break, where with cubes, mexicana etc the caps are much more pliable. The caps of this new species are somewhere in between.

I didn't end up getting more pictures because after this first flush they just kept fruiting like pans do so I just focused on getting prints for Alan to study. Also, I didn't end up saving enough for a type collection so I pulled the master culture back out to noc some bags with tomorrow. 

Potency? I didn't try them. FWIW, I can tell you that the cut area of the stems turned blue/black within 5 minutes, like a normal pan.

*Why 90% certainty? Well, In my attempt to cram my wine fridge with more nocced up bags a few of the bags' labels fell off. Luckily this is the only pan I had going pre November. To add to that, every other bag without a label fruited so I was able to identify the species and rule them out. Plus, this is the only species I had going that grow this fast once pinned, everything else is zapos, paupuanas, caerulescens etc...

If you have any questions feel free to ask. I will be checking this thread daily. Only daily because I am extremely busy right now <3

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Wow! How cool is this? :takingnotes:

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Re: unknown pans [Re: mycorry]
    #27028536 - 11/08/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Mycorry, the way they grow out with the hygrophanous caps and the striated margin. Seems like your grow only deepened the mystery :nowaydude:

They very much resemble a psathyrella... not that they are, just visually


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    #27028701 - 11/08/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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@Adas
Haha ...well spotted there...to try put into perspective those fruits in that pic are all in the 3-4gram range and the pill bugs are around the size of a golf ball when rolled up




Holy shit son! Those are som big Pans, AND Pillbugs! You could keep them as pets. :laugh:

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    #27028776 - 11/08/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Awesome grow!!  Cant wait to see what you guys find out a name for these guys


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    #27028813 - 11/08/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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    #27028825 - 11/08/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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:wat:
From a gill fragment??
:mindexpanding:

How does that work? I assume the tissue was dry, right?
So how does one cultivate from dry tissue? Does it have to be gill tissue?
Or he obtained spores from the gill fragment?
I have so many questions I'm sorry.





How I did it:
1:Make an intensely nutritious agar
2:Put four spectrums of antibiotics in the agar: Kanamycin, ampicilin, gentamicin, and chlorampheticol(never let this stuff touch your hands)
3:With ceramic tweezers, streak each plate with a gill fragment
4:once germination is identified, excise all of the myc candidates from the dirty plates
5:Transfer them to an extremely low nutrition agar with high amounts of the same antibiotics.
6:After culture is clean, swap it to normal agar
7:noc up an LC
8:noc up some bags of sterilized substrate
9:Wait, hope, get bored and start a new project while you wait

However, some of the gill fragment bags I received had literal spore deposits on the sides of the bag. For those I just swabbed the bag then swabbed the plate.

Also, keep in mind that this is all in a SAB. A flow hood would make this impossible with all the little eddies that the air flow would make in the dirty plates, spreading spores everywhere in the dish. Performing that first excision of myc can be really stressful with how dirty gill frags can be.


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    #27028826 - 11/08/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)




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Good job Mycorry !




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    #27028903 - 11/08/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Have you decided on a name yet zifozonke

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    #27029177 - 11/08/20 08:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Cool find.  I wonder too if this could be Copelandia affinis as suggested.  https://www.zobodat.at/pdf/Sydowia_33_0039-0063.pdf

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    #27029208 - 11/08/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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@Adas
Haha ...well spotted there...to try put into perspective those fruits in that pic are all in the 3-4gram range and the pill bugs are around the size of a golf ball when rolled up

@Asura
And you know then....

@AlanRockefellar
Did you take a look at the samples/spores under the microscope??
If so did you note anything different//comparable to other pan varieties you have studied?




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    #27031559 - 11/10/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

@mycorry

Nice one!!
Welcome to the pan(Africa) family

Just gonna use this opportunity to show my grow of these off again for those of you who didn't see them when I posted in the pan thread....



Was super proud of pulling this one off

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    #27031652 - 11/10/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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@mycorry

Nice one!!
Welcome to the pan(Africa) family

Just gonna use this opportunity to show my grow of these off again for those of you who didn't see them when I posted in the pan thread....



Was super proud of pulling this one off





Wow thats are beautiful Zifozonke.


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    #27031688 - 11/10/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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@mycorry

Nice one!!
Welcome to the pan(Africa) family

Just gonna use this opportunity to show my grow of these off again for those of you who didn't see them when I posted in the pan thread....



Was super proud of pulling this one off




Excellent job!

Awww yours look more healthy than mine :frown:

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    #27031929 - 11/10/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Congratz Zifozonke !

The more pictures I see of them, the more I believe Pan Zifozonke is the lost child of Pan Bisporus and Semperviva :wink:


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Aendir]
    #27031989 - 11/10/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Has anyone eaten them yet? Whats the potency?


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Re: unknown pans [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #27059800 - 11/27/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Peaceful greetings

I'm considering trying to find these pans on the KZN coast, for lack of any success in trying to get in touch with any locals whom may be able to point me in the right direction in respect to obtaining some of the special fungi.

I've tried to get in touch with Zifozonke(whom I thought was my best bet, after following their posts and seeing how kind and gracious they were to receive any assistance/input from the other forum members) but did not get a response, and when trying to PM again, I was unable to, I'm guessing I've been blocked? I'm not entirely sure why, but I respect that.

I'm an easy-going, open-minded person, and do value and respect privacy greatly.

Anyway, I understand that if I were to be able to access the marketplace then that may help solve this dilemma, but unfortunately I'm a new user on the forum and am still far off from the 90-days registered pre-requisite for marketplace access.

Lastly, although I'm in no rush in general, I have limited opportunities to have time that isn't spent with the family, so been crossing my fingers that I'm able to make something happen during this year end, but so far after a couple weeks of poking around, I've not had any luck. Just looking to join the community, and have my first experience which I've been looking forward to for over 10+ years, and before I get too old for it to start to lose it's appeal, or become too distracted with other elements in life, I would so greatly enjoy and covet having this experience which I've longed for.

Thanks kindly  :peace:

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Re: unknown pans [Re: ch0ppie]
    #27060344 - 11/27/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Peaceful greetings

I'm considering trying to find these pans on the KZN coast, for lack of any success in trying to get in touch with any locals whom may be able to point me in the right direction in respect to obtaining some of the special fungi.

I've tried to get in touch with Zifozonke(whom I thought was my best bet, after following their posts and seeing how kind and gracious they were to receive any assistance/input from the other forum members) but did not get a response, and when trying to PM again, I was unable to, I'm guessing I've been blocked? I'm not entirely sure why, but I respect that.

I'm an easy-going, open-minded person, and do value and respect privacy greatly.

Anyway, I understand that if I were to be able to access the marketplace then that may help solve this dilemma, but unfortunately I'm a new user on the forum and am still far off from the 90-days registered pre-requisite for marketplace access.

Lastly, although I'm in no rush in general, I have limited opportunities to have time that isn't spent with the family, so been crossing my fingers that I'm able to make something happen during this year end, but so far after a couple weeks of poking around, I've not had any luck. Just looking to join the community, and have my first experience which I've been looking forward to for over 10+ years, and before I get too old for it to start to lose it's appeal, or become too distracted with other elements in life, I would so greatly enjoy and covet having this experience which I've longed for.

Thanks kindly  :peace:




I say this with absolute respect man, its hard for any of us to openly trust newcomers. Nothing personal, no disrespect, just you havnt made a name for yourself. Participate and join in the conversation and I damn near PROMISE you'll get the help you seek if not pointed in the right direction. Theres a couple people I message and who message me about "secret spots" but I had to earn it and so did they. Keep at it man and don't give up!


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Re: unknown pans [Re: MentalPariah]
    #27060535 - 11/27/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I've tried to get in touch with Zifozonke(whom I thought was my best bet, after following their posts and seeing how kind and gracious they were to receive any assistance/input from the other forum members) but did not get a response, and when trying to PM again, I was unable to, I'm guessing I've been blocked? I'm not entirely sure why, but I respect that.



Well duh...
If someone ever sent me a :pm: asking for me to tell them where my spots are after I post images of active mushrooms it does seriously anger me.
I often respond by verbally attacking these types of people. Very kind of him to just block you... :lol:
If it was me, I would swear at ya a bit...

Find your own patches bruh...
Zifozonke ain't gonna spoon feed you the address of his mushroom patch...
Just because you are both South African does not mean he is going to hold your hand and take you merrily skipping to his patches!

Straight up, noobz and their warped logic...
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Re: unknown pans [Re: RogerTheRetard]
    #27060598 - 11/27/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry to be a dickhead but it is what it is around here.

Step one - Figure out what species of active mushrooms grow in your country.

Step two - Check the habitat of the species in question.

Step three - You might find them. Or you might not.
Either way no one here will spoon feed yo ass.
Hunting is a solitary task and a patch is your personal reward.

No way would I ever share this personal reward with some lazy bastard looking to be spoon fed. I would in-fact take offense.

If I can do it, you have the potential.
If Zifozonke can do it, you have the potential.

I'm not saying that you CAN or you CAN'T.
All I'm saying is there is POTENTIAL.

Sorry to be an asshole, I can come across as vicious via text and I'm aware.
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Re: unknown pans [Re: MentalPariah] * 1
    #27061660 - 11/28/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I say this with absolute respect man, its hard for any of us to openly trust newcomers. Nothing personal, no disrespect, just you havnt made a name for yourself. Participate and join in the conversation and I damn near PROMISE you'll get the help you seek if not pointed in the right direction. Theres a couple people I message and who message me about "secret spots" but I had to earn it and so did they. Keep at it man and don't give up!



Thanks Pariah :thumbup:

Am keen to be a part of this community regardless of my immediate desires.

For reference to other locals, I'm on a couple local forums and have been for 10y+, one with a marketplace(computer/electronics related).

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Well duh...
If someone ever sent me a :pm: asking for me to tell them where my spots are after I post images of active mushrooms it does seriously anger me.
I often respond by verbally attacking these types of people. Very kind of him to just block you... :lol:
If it was me, I would swear at ya a bit...

Find your own patches bruh...
Zifozonke ain't gonna spoon feed you the address of his mushroom patch...
Just because you are both South African does not mean he is going to hold your hand and take you merrily skipping to his patches!

Straight up, noobz and their warped logic...
:noob:




Hey Roger, appreciate the response, and very much agree with what you have to say.

I apologize firstly, as I think I wasn't too clear. The PM I sent was just a general 'hello' PM with explanation that I would just be looking to get in touch with anyone local who has experience or knowledge about such stuff, and who may offer advice and/or point me in the right direction of finding some(from a person, not in the wild).

I have definitely no intention of imposing on anyone or asking someone where 'their spot' is etc. And totally agree with you, in regards to how someone may respond if it was the case that some random stranger or 'noob' was trying to circumvent the correct process and get straight to the punch in the least graceful fashion possible. That's absolutely not cool, and I prefer to treat others how I'd like to be treated, so the thought of doing that never crossed my mind.

I'm 30+ years old, and actually have no desire to spend time foraging. The reason why I posted here, is because I've made many attempts to try and source some ready to go product (which would be ideal for me) but unfortunately have failed as I just am not on the ball when it comes to networking, being a life-long introvert. It is just my sheer desperation why I've got to this position where I'm considering trying to find some in the wild. And all I was doing here is asking of some advice in respect of whether I should go ahead with the idea, and perhaps some hints and tips on how to go about it in general.

I've been recommend that 2g (dried?) is a regular starting dose. So if I was somehow fortunate to stumble across some wild mushies, I'd only disturb what is required for me in any case, and am not a greedy person, nor do I have the use case for more than a couple trips worth of mushies anyway. Plus I was under the impression that there's enough coastal region to find many suitable habitats for these specimens, and thus they should be plentiful, but what would I know.

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RogerTheRetard said:
Sorry to be a dickhead but it is what it is around here.

Step one - Figure out what species of active mushrooms grow in your country.

Step two - Check the habitat of the species in question.

Step three - You might find them. Or you might not.
Either way no one here will spoon feed yo ass.
Hunting is a solitary task and a patch is your personal reward.

No way would I ever share this personal reward with some lazy bastard looking to be spoon fed. I would in-fact take offense.

If I can do it, you have the potential.
If Zifozonke can do it, you have the potential.

I'm not saying that you CAN or you CAN'T.
All I'm saying is there is POTENTIAL.

Sorry to be an asshole, I can come across as vicious via text and I'm aware.
:cool:




No need to apologize Roger, your criticism I feel is justified based on what you may have seen this as.

I'm however glad to notify you, that I have no intention of stepping on any toes, or desperately asking for a handout for free. If I'm told to F-Off and/or not even go anywhere near the KZN coast in my remaining lifetime, then I'm happy to oblige by it, as the last thing intention I have is to make enemies instead of friends.

As a KZN born local it's not hard to see where one might start looking, based on what's already been kindly shared for research purposes. However, for me personally, foraging is just not something that will make it on my to-do list if not necessary, as I am just looking to have my first mushy experience after a decade of looking forward to it but never coming across it, that is all.

I sincerely apologize for rubbing anyone the wrong way, as this was the opposite of my desire. And I of course still remain intent on expressing generous tangible gratitude for any assistance, and even would be willing to invest/assist in any local operation going on as it could be a win/win.

:cheers:

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Re: unknown pans [Re: ch0ppie] * 2
    #27061673 - 11/28/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Personally,  I don't think it merits rudeness, 99% of us came to shroomery for help in one form or another. A simple "You can't ask for locations or hunting partners" would suffice but being a  prick because someone asked isn't necessary or an appropriate response.


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    #27063000 - 11/29/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

@ch0ppie
Yeah sorry bud
I didn't feel comfortable answering questions from someone who at the time had 2posts
What I will say is that if I were you I'd start with pan cyans and cubes
Search in areas that have nice lush grass fields coupled with cows and horses grazing around
Look out for the older dung's
Don't be disappointed if you go and look and don't find-just keep watching ching the weather and looking
You'll eventually find something

These new pans are also around but certainly not as common or as easy to find...trust me ...
But they are out there and possibly even others species that have yet to be seen)identified...

Anyways
Hope this bit of info helps you out
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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke] * 2
    #27063248 - 11/29/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Zifozonke, I will be happy to pay for sequencing at alvalab, it seems like I remember you sent some to Allen Rockefeller but not sure, but it would be no problem for me to pay for a lab to do it and alvalab is trustworthy

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    #27063269 - 11/29/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'll be interested to see what species of Panaeolus this turns out to be...


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke]
    #27063419 - 11/29/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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@ch0ppie
Mush love:mushroom2:




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Re: unknown pans [Re: ch0ppie]
    #27063536 - 11/29/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

If you put in the effort to locate active mushrooms you will be rewarded.

Granted you must check the correct substrate and during the correct time of the year.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Doc9151]
    #27066243 - 12/01/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the offer Doc
I'm gonna give Alan a while longer as seemed pretty keen at the time to check them out_Im sure he's a busy man and maybe if he doesn't pull thru for us in the coming months I'll put something together to send your way

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke]
    #27066505 - 12/01/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Allan is definitely a busy man, no doubt about it.  I would arrange for you to send it directly to the lab and have payment arrangements already set. All you have to do is say when you are ready and I will set it up. It's worth the Money to me, I think they will be unique.


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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke]
    #27067631 - 12/02/20 06:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm gonna give Alan a while longer as seemed pretty keen at the time to check them out_Im sure he's a busy man and maybe if he doesn't pull thru for us in the coming months I'll put something together to send your way




If you already sent Alan some material, did he confirm he received it? Stuff easily go AWOL in the mail.

So excited to know what they can be, I can't wait. :crazy2:


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    #27068696 - 12/02/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm gonna give Alan a while longer as seemed pretty keen at the time to check them out_Im sure he's a busy man and maybe if he doesn't pull thru for us in the coming months I'll put something together to send your way




If you already sent Alan some material, did he confirm he received it? Stuff easily go AWOL in the mail.

So excited to know what they can be, I can't wait. :crazy2:




He received them 7 months ago it looks like and mentioned his lab was closed and had to work from an improvised lab at home. Pandemic probably just delaying things.

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    #27070953 - 12/03/20 11:21 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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If you already sent Alan some material, did he confirm he received it? Stuff easily go AWOL in the mail.





Yes I have it!  Just need to work on it.  I sent a part of the collection to mycorry who posted pics of his cultivation in this thread a month back.

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    #27341624 - 06/09/21 12:55 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I was just made aware of this potential new Pan. Very exciting stuff! Any updates?

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    #27341748 - 06/09/21 02:31 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I join in and watch.

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    #27341827 - 06/09/21 03:33 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

very interesting

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    #27341842 - 06/09/21 03:43 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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    #27342282 - 06/09/21 10:38 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Gorgeous... were the spores green?


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    #27342496 - 06/10/21 04:25 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Nice find and great thread.

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    #27343052 - 06/10/21 12:35 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Gorgeous... were the spores green?



No, Panaeolus has BLACK spores!!!

Whatever happened with the sequencing of this?


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    #27343577 - 06/10/21 07:46 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Gorgeous... were the spores green?



No, Panaeolus has BLACK spores!!!

Whatever happened with the sequencing of this?




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    #27343580 - 06/10/21 07:48 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Whatever happened with the sequencing of this?




I have it going on agar right now and will sequence from that soon.

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    #27368159 - 06/29/21 07:08 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Watching with great anticipation...Thanks to all


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    #27422002 - 08/10/21 01:57 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Hey man I know this is an old post by now but I am a fellow South African mushroom grower and hunter and I was wondering what came of this thread? 👀 Alan, have you managed to sequence them yet? I hate to be a badger but my curiosity is killing me😩😜

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    #27422603 - 08/10/21 12:45 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

:popcorn:


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    #27424079 - 08/11/21 11:45 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

None more than myself.....
Over a year now...:camping:

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Re: unknown pans [Re: Zifozonke]
    #27426380 - 08/13/21 05:58 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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    #27981121 - 10/04/22 12:25 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Hey guys
So it's been many moons since I sent some prints and material out but finally received some feedback from a very kind member that has had some tests ran on these Pans

….."The ITS1/ITS2 sequence is a close match to Panaeoulus cyanescens, but there are 5 base pair differences and 3 insertion/deletions.  In my opinion, this, taken with the striking macroscopic differences and differences in habitat, clearly show it to be a different(but closely related) species.  Unfortunately, it does not have a match in genbank, so I don't have a name for it.  It is either undescribed, or something that has been described somewhere at some point in time, but that has not been sequenced(or at least does not have a sequence deposited in genbank).  Hope this helps, and thanks again for finding such a cool species and sharing with the rest of us.  Here is the sequence:
>S. Africa mystery Pan. sp.
AACTGCGGAAGGATCATTATCGAATAAACTAGGTAGACGCTGTTGCTGTCCCTCTCGGGGGAACTTTGTGCACGCATCTGCCTTTTTTTTTTTGTTTATCCACCTGTGCACACACTGTAGGTCTGGGGAAGTCTTGTAAGGGAGGTAACTCTCTGAACGGCTTCATTCATTCCCAGGTCCTATGTATTTTTACACATACACTATAGAAAGTAACAGAACGAATCAATGGGCATTAGCCTATAAACTATATACAACTTTCAGCAACGGATCTCTTGGCTCTCGCATCGATGAAGAACGCAGCGAAATGCGATAAGTAATGTGAATTGCAGAATTCAGTGAATCATCGAATCTTTGAACGCACCTTGCGCTCGTTGGTATTCCGACGAGCATGCCTGTTTGAGTGTCATTAAATTCTCAACCTCATCACTTTTGTGATGATGGCTTGGATGTGGAGGTTTTTTGCAGGCTTGTCAAAAGTCTGCTCCTCTCAAATGAATTAGTGGGTGCCCCGCGCAAACCTATCTATTGGTGTGATAATTATCTACGCCGTGGGTTTAAGGATTGCTGTAAAAAGGTGTTTGCCCTGCTTCTAACTGTCTCGTTATTGGGACAACTTGA"

I'm no expert on Panaeolus, and the genus probably needs more attention.  I couldn't tell you where the cutoff lies to consider something a new species based on ITS alone.  But I do know that ITS needs to be considered in conjunction with macro- and micro- characteristics, as well as biogeography."....

So there we have it...
By no means conclusive-but certainly a little closer to understanding more about this species.

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    #27981132 - 10/04/22 12:33 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Awesome! How many people managed to grow this one? Any trip reports at all?

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    #27981133 - 10/04/22 12:35 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

cool thanks for sharing. i wonder if the wood loving pan alan mentioned or the coplandia anglerfish mentioned have been sequenced to compare to?  would be cool to see it grown out.

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    #27981173 - 10/04/22 01:05 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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    #27981270 - 10/04/22 02:04 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I BLASTed that sequence and agree that it's a different species.  Next step is to do some careful microscopy to see if it matches up with anything in the Gerhardt monograph, and any new species published since without sequence data.  If no good match can be found, it should be published as a new species.

This data should be uploaded to Genbank so the next person who finds it and BLASTs it can see the match.

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    #28024482 - 10/30/22 01:25 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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I BLASTed that sequence and agree that it's a different species.  Next step is to do some careful microscopy to see if it matches up with anything in the Gerhardt monograph, and any new species published since without sequence data.  If no good match can be found, it should be published as a new species.

This data should be uploaded to Genbank so the next person who finds it and BLASTs it can see the match.



Did your search rule out this being P. chlorocystis or P. affinis?

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    #28031108 - 11/03/22 12:34 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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So a small update as promised.... a few fruits have popped up again after some light rains.
One solitary fruit

With a close up

And a couple that something has been munching on....:sad:


5meters or so beyond these fruits...




Phenomenal find!!!💯
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    #28032020 - 11/04/22 12:32 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

CONGRATULATIONS Zifozonke on confirmation that the sequencing is pointing in the direction of a new species! I hope that the ball is still rolling and either you or a trusted associate is performing [or at least planning] the microscopy that Alan suggested as the next step in getting you and this nifty new fungus formally recognized and properly nomenclated. This is indeed the ultimate in spiffiness. :cheers:

Also, is this still being actively cultivated and is there anything new on that front?

Also, if i may make a suggestion. For posterity's sake--perhaps we can get a moderator to come in here and clean up; i.e., remove the tangents in here where the subject matter strayed far and wide with absolutely no relation at all to the original subject matter such as immune-boosting mushrooms, the proper response to newcomers PM-ing for secret spots and Psilocybin caerulipes.


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    #28036460 - 11/06/22 12:33 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I unfortunately cannot do this myself where I'm at in this corner of the globe.Resources and capable people are few and far between...
Anyway it's in people's hands who are more than qualified so we shall see where it all goes...

Had loads of rains last week and some of my patches in the garden have started producing some early fruits-along with a few Psilo.subaeruginascens


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    #28037966 - 11/07/22 10:11 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Congratulations!
Very cool find.

I hope you can collect specimens and deposit to some herbarium in SA?

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    #28058381 - 11/18/22 03:04 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Right on, Zifozonke. Keeping my fingers crossed that everything keeps going your way on these and that you get to do the naming on these. :rockon:

The Ps. subs aren't native there in S. Africa, are they? If not, then good show on getting these to sprout outdoors. Let's hope the transplant sticks & spreads.

I'm in Southern California myself and there's a decided lack of actives here. Do you think maybe the subs might take to transplanting here also? I don't usually see info on cultivating the subs, might you be able to point me to a link or two?


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    #28059219 - 11/18/22 10:13 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Right on, Zifozonke. Keeping my fingers crossed that everything keeps going your way on these and that you get to do the naming on these. :rockon:

The Ps. subs aren't native there in S. Africa, are they? If not, then good show on getting these to sprout outdoors. Let's hope the transplant sticks & spreads.

I'm in Southern California myself and there's a decided lack of actives here. Do you think maybe the subs might take to transplanting here also? I don't usually see info on cultivating the subs, might you be able to point me to a link or two?




Different P. Subs than what you see in Australia/New Zealand. I bet you could get several species of woodlovers going in SoCal. Just need irrigated/well shaded/mulched beds.


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    #28063140 - 11/21/22 11:48 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Here is a Panaeolus phylogenetic tree I made, with the sequence of this mystery Panaeolus highlighted with a red dot.



I see that it's close to a few Panaeolus bisporus sequences - I wonder if it has two spored basidia.

I agree that it's either a new species or a species that was described but not sequenced.

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    #28065751 - 11/23/22 08:34 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Interesting where it is in your tree close to the Pan.bisporous
I kind of always thought two had a very strong resemblance to each other

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    #28197684 - 02/21/23 04:03 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Jumping in here as I have been cultivating these - or trying. I fruited them successfully a few times but they don't like my tent (with conditions optimized for pan cyans) or substrate (straw/verm/manure) so I'm now using a new fruiting chamber and substrate.

It has done strange things in my pan cyan tent on the sub I mentioned above. A lot of overlay and just small unhappy fruits. Hoping for better results on new sub in new setup.






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    #28198518 - 02/21/23 11:58 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Jumping in here as I have been cultivating these - or trying. I fruited them successfully a few times but they don't like my tent (with conditions optimized for pan cyans) or substrate (straw/verm/manure) so I'm now using a new fruiting chamber and substrate.

It has done strange things in my pan cyan tent on the sub I mentioned above. A lot of overlay and just small unhappy fruits. Hoping for better results on new sub in new setup.











Been waiting for your update!  I hope you get more success.  Strange that these pans do so much worse then typical pan cyans.

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    #28198701 - 02/22/23 07:03 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the kind words. I don't blame the species though - it's all about me figuring out what they like, and apparently they are different enough from Pan Cyans that they don't do well on the same substrate and in the same conditions. Mixing up some new cakes this morning and will fruit them in a different fruiting chamber - this one has almost no evaporation and stays very wet (which is very different from my pan setup which is designed to maximize evaporation).

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    #28198957 - 02/22/23 10:24 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

@hindsight
I feel your pain...Ive also had my fair share of overlay & poor fruiting ect

But must say yours actually looks quiet rad,almost like coral...haha...jokes aside
Sometime back I had my biggest fruiting clusters off a tray that overlayed heavily.
I then scratched it or scraped it off(can't remember which) and then added a layer of washed beach sand and Viola...


That particular run my humidifier actually wasn't running properly so it was basically low humidity and just getting fae by fans on timer running every 3minutes every 3hours
Had many mediocre runs with things working "normally" but still nothing to rave about
Best results I've got have been outdoors just letting our natural conditions work it's magic.

I've just put some to bulk from a old plate I had lying in the cupboard....
Will see what comes of it
I'll put up some pics if it's anything good

But nice to see you working on this one&I hope you find the right combo and get some nice fruits:mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:

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    #28199041 - 02/22/23 11:22 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the reply Zifozonke! So cool to hear from the founder of this new species! Appreciate the info and well-wishes.

The fruits in your last picture have a striking resemblance to Pan Bispo - Have you or anyone else had a chance to look under the microscope and see if this new species has a 2 or 4 spored Basidia?

Funny you should mention sand - I have river sand in my new substrate recipe. I didn't put it in the casing though - I will give that a shot on the next trays I fruit.

This morning I mixed up a new substrate batch which consists of relatively equal parts: worm castings, termite sawdust from a rotten stump, aged horse manure, composted leaf mulch with a bit of dirt mixed in, pine needles, sandy river soil, and hydrated millet. I didn't go on a scavenger hunt for all this or anything - just what I found outside the seemed right for the pics you shared of the environment you found them in originally. I took that mix and added an equal amount of vermiculite to store water and keep it fluffy, then added a tablespoon of gypsum and a tablespoon of azomite. I'm sterilizing two pints of it and I pasteurized another two pints. I will put two of them in the new bubbler and another two in an ez dial mono - perhaps surrounded in coir.

Fingers crossed!

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