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Unknown Pans (Pics)
    #2724791 - 05/24/04 10:50 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I've been finding TONS of Panaeolus sp. mushrooms growing in our lawn lately. I'm thinking they might be Pan subbs for a few reasons:

1. These grass that they are growing in is the same grass that the pan subbs grow from in the compost pile
2. The lawn is well very well fertilized
3. They macroscopicly resemble subbs, minus the skinny long stems.

So my thoughts are that they could possibly be active pans. I've seen a tiny bit of bluing on the mycelium, but not on every specimen.

I suppose there's one easy way to determine the activity of these mushrooms... a bioassay. I might attempt this tonight in the name of science. I figure I can't go wrong..

If they're inactive Panaeolus, I'll have the shits tomorrow.
If they're active Panaeolus, I'll have some fun tonight and have the shits tomorrow :wink: Eitherway, tomorrow won't be fun. I am 110% sure these mushrooms belong to the Panaeolus/Panaeolia genus, I've collected these mushrooms for many years and know them when I see them.

Anyways... Here's some pics of today's find that I might experiement with tonight:






I'll let you guys know how it goes if I decide to try it out.


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #2724841 - 05/24/04 11:02 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

They look exactly like the mushrooms i harvested out of my back yard, they ended up being Pan. Foes. But who knows just try them, and maybe you will have some fun.


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: phunkjunky311]
    #2724852 - 05/24/04 11:04 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Ehhhhh its the Florida mystery pan, come one, you know how variable they are!


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #2724911 - 05/24/04 11:16 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

GOD DAMNIT!!! Pans. piss me off


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #2724923 - 05/24/04 11:18 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Yep thats the ones ive been finding. I would love to hear how it went.


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #2725275 - 05/25/04 12:24 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Update #1.

God damn. That tasted like ass.


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #2725477 - 05/25/04 01:06 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

lol


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #2725484 - 05/25/04 01:07 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Ive posted a few times on here about those same mushrooms. it appears in your pictures you have 2 species. one is the obvious "Haymower's mushroom" with a light brown cap and brownish gills with faint white lines that run along the gills. The other i have also found in large quantity, they seem to have a darker cap with darker gills(check gumbys last pic to see what im talkin about)either way id love to hear how it goes because its no understatment to say that in atlanta i have these bastards practically protruding from my anus. ive always blown them off to be just pan. foens.(always deemed inactive by my fellow members) however, i just read on the lycaeum ( http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=10392 ) that while washington specimens were tested to be inactive, eastern specimens proved to be "potent" who knows, but im sure as hell not gonna just go poopin random shrooms down my cake hole. I'll leave that to you sir gumby, and if u die, i got dibs on ur fucking subbs. biotch.
anyway if u have input, post it here cuz i know ive seen lots of threads on these mystery pans and im curious. -alex


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: ILoveCowShit]
    #2725494 - 05/25/04 01:10 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

POPPING******


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: ILoveCowShit]
    #2725645 - 05/25/04 01:45 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I know for a fact that they're all one species. The caps and such do funny things when the sunlight gets to them and the gills change color with age.

As far as activity goes... Looks like I'll be having the shits tomorrow for no good reason.

It's been an hour now and I'm getting no effects at all. Oh well... the bowels will be clean come this time tomorrow :x


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #2726618 - 05/25/04 07:52 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)


does this look like the same pan to you? ( i know its a pan of some sort has a black print) if so we may be finding the same mystery pan. inactive huh? good luck with the poops.
i think i am going to go back to the hay bail where i found the mystery pans that bruise blue at base of stipe.here is a pic of them growing...


the bluse stipe base i have in my hand there is form the hay bail mushrooms, how many would you suggest for a good bioessay, hehe.

on more question how many of the mystery pans did you ingest?


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #2727149 - 05/25/04 12:10 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: CptnGarden]
    #2728664 - 05/25/04 06:20 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Don't go making assumptions. They dropped black spore prints, so they're obviously not Pan foen, smart ass.


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: CptnGarden]
    #2728679 - 05/25/04 06:22 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

They are not pan foes. defenitely not. They have jet black prints.


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #2728947 - 05/25/04 07:23 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

"Ive posted a few times on here about those same mushrooms. it appears in your pictures you have 2 species. one is the obvious "Haymower's mushroom" with a light brown cap and brownish gills with faint white lines that run along the gills. The other i have also found in large quantity, they seem to have a darker cap with darker gills(check gumbys last pic to see what im talkin about)either way id love to hear how it goes because its no understatment to say that in atlanta i have these bastards practically protruding from my anus. ive always blown them off to be just pan. foens.(always deemed inactive by my fellow members) however, i just read on the lycaeum ( http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=10392 ) that while washington specimens were tested to be inactive, eastern specimens proved to be "potent" who knows, but im sure as hell not gonna just go poopin random shrooms down my cake hole. I'll leave that to you sir gumby, and if u die, i got dibs on ur fucking subbs. biotch.
anyway if u have input, post it here cuz i know ive seen lots of threads on these mystery pans and im curious."

I'm pretty sure you're talking about Panaeolus foenisecii, not Panaeolina foenisecii. Also, if you were referring to the previous, the tests are believed to be flawed to to the similarity between these and active Panaeolus. Tedious Pans......


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: thearmedforces]
    #2729019 - 05/25/04 07:45 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

About that banana phone, haha!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...t=1#Post2728901
by the way nice find!


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Jopo]
    #2729070 - 05/25/04 07:58 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Panaeolus foenisecii/Panaeolina foenisecii, are these considered to be the same mushroom? I know it sounds stupid but I'm unsure. from what I've read, the panaeolus IS active while panaeolina is not? Confusing.


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #2729296 - 05/25/04 09:05 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

i'm guessing they are Panaeolus papilionaceus?
no?


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #2729325 - 05/25/04 09:10 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Check your PM please. :cool:


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: thearmedforces]
    #2729523 - 05/25/04 09:52 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

That original comment was from two books on shroom id. Gary Mensers book, Hallucnogenic and Poisonous Mushrooms,k" and David Arora's book, "Mushrooms Dmystified."

Menser said west coast Panaeolina foenesecii were not active and east coast specimens were.

There is no scientific reasoning f in that statement or fact.

They are not psychoactive at all. The original three analyses in the late 1950s and early 1960s are what is know as a false positive. Youi can read the complete story about why Panaeolina foenisecii is not psychoactive at the foillowing link.

Click Here


Also another point to bring to your attention. You claimed above that:

Quote:

I'm pretty sure you're talking about Panaeolus foenisecii, not Panaeolina foenisecii.




Well sorry to diappoint you. They are the same ge3nera and that is Panaeolina, not Panaeolus.

Panaeolus mushrooms have almost 25 species and 11 are psychoactive.

Panaeolina genera have four species and non are psychoactive.

Where di dyou come up with the concept that they are two different species.

There was also Psthayrella foenisecii and Psilocybe foenisecii, they are all synonyms for Panaeolina foenisecii.

mj


Edited by mjshroomer (05/25/04 09:59 PM)


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: thearmedforces]
    #2733729 - 05/26/04 08:13 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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thearmedforces said:
Panaeolus foenisecii/Panaeolina foenisecii, are these considered to be the same mushroom? I know it sounds stupid but I'm unsure. from what I've read, the panaeolus IS active while panaeolina is not? Confusing.




This is why I asked the question; excuse my ignorance. I realize they are the same NOW, but different publishing and different genus names/spellings misled me. I'm sorry but you could have been more understanding and simply answered my question as opposed to using your vast knowledge of mycology as means for showing superiority. Maybe you just didn't see my question which I asked later (refer above). If the previous is true, I'm sorry for taking offense.


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: thearmedforces]
    #2733850 - 05/26/04 09:36 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2733873 - 05/26/04 09:44 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

You're still missing the point. I was wondering if the Panaeolus and Panaeolina were different, and if one was active or not. I know that they are one and the same and inactive.


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: thearmedforces]
    #2734760 - 05/27/04 01:07 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

You're still missing the point. I was wondering if the Panaeolus and Panaeolina were different, and if one was active or not. I know that they are one and the same and inactive.




Apparently you are missing the point. You answered your own question.

The genera Panaeolus (25 species) is not the same as the genera Panaeolina (4 species).

Panaeolus have black spores.

Panoilina have brown spores.

There is no species known as Panaeolus foenisecii.
There is no species known as Psathyrella foenisecii.
Yhere is no species known as Psilocybe foenisecii.

But there is the species known as Panaeolina foenisecii Maire.

Is that too hard to comprehend?

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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Jopo]
    #2735767 - 05/27/04 09:58 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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About that banana phone, haha!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...t=1#Post2728901
by the way nice find




Alright, What the hell is going on with this bannana-phone business.?

For some odd reason i think that the bannana-phone was made up by me when i used to smoke a lot of kind buds and lived with somebody and i had a computer there and we used to joke about mjshroomer calling on the bannana-phone when one of us wanted to smoke buds and we would jokingly pick up a bannana on the shelf and hold it up to ears like it was a phone and say that mjshroomer was calling on bannana-phone and that he wants us to smoke buds.

This is weird. Either i was really high and read somewhere on the shroomery about the bannana-phone (this was all over a year ago) or somebody i used to live with spread the bannana phone joke to others and they spread the bannana-joke back to the shroomery and now we have a bannana-joke ring-ring with mjshroomer calling for us all to smoke kind bud.

That is the only answer i can come up with.

The person i lived with and did bannana-phone-joke with told me the other day that the shroom_wizard was calling her on the bannana-phone the other day, well, i corrected her and said that the wizard never called on any bannana phones and that was strickly a phone line reserved for mjshroomer to call.

And now there is a bannana-phone at the shroomery and this computer has no volume so i can't even here it.

But i do have a couple fresh bannana's in the fridge back at home.

Keep shroomin

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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: Gumby]
    #2736567 - 05/27/04 01:51 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

So did you end up getting no effects from this mushrooms gumbydude?


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2736574 - 05/27/04 01:53 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

So it has been officially removed from the genus Panaeolus?


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    #2736596 - 05/27/04 01:59 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

are you talking about foens are the mushroom in this post?


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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: fliped]
    #2736682 - 05/27/04 02:25 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Check your pms and pm me back

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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2737414 - 05/27/04 05:21 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

mjshroomer said:
Quote:


There is no species known as Panaeolus foenisecii.




Ok, understood. I guess I was drawn into this information polluting the net then.
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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: thearmedforces]
    #2737616 - 05/27/04 06:16 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

It is funny but I actually tallked to Michael Kuo about his post oin panaeolina. And he still has not corrected it.
ADN as for the toddlers, you should read my Paneolina paper with mark Merlin. I investigated all theree of the published noteed pertaining to possible toxicity of this shroom with young childrend and fondn that none of them were really sure what the child in each case may have consumed.

Orson Miller's is the one who climed that small children may graze on shrooms. While most children (rug rat stage) do have a habit of putting clumps of dirt and other floor trash into their mouths, they usually spit it out when they realize it taste m nasty.

It was becasue of RObbrs an TYler and Ola'h who produced false positives of Panaeolina foenisecii form mixed collections that they identified it as psilocybian.

In my paper I actually talked to the my6cologists involved in their original papers on this shroom and all of their responses are reported in my paper. Three analysis claimed it was psychoactive and then mmore than a few hundred since say no. Of course we all kknow they6 do not contain psilocine/psilocybine.

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Re: Unknown Pans (Pics) [Re: thearmedforces]
    #2737636 - 05/27/04 06:21 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

There are also still dozens of mushroom field guides which still list it as possibly psychoactive, etc becasue of its association with other species of Panaeous. And still refer to it as a Panaeolus.

And since spore colors are what, at least for the present, are used to differentiate families of agaricales, the brown spored Panaeolina could not belong to the family of Coprinaceae which have black spores and include Coprinus, Panaeolus and a a few other nminor genera.

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    #2737931 - 05/27/04 07:43 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

So brown spored = no activity= Panaeolina
black spored = potentially active= Panaeolus

MJ
If you ever find any casters or acuminatus, please give me a PM for an addy to ship to. I would really like a specimen or two for refrencing.


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    #2740132 - 05/28/04 02:33 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Last year there were a few P. acuminatus at the riding stable near Olympia where I have picked for years. If I find any I will be sure to give you a pm,
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