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Re: Sanders [Re: The Ecstatic] * 3
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The Ecstatic said:
Even taking that argument at face value (AOC and West will hurt Bernie in the general), he’s still gotta win the primary, and AOC has the most coveted endorsement of this primary. It would be stupid of him to waste it.

And Bernie doesn’t need conservative voters in the general, either. He has an energized base of democrats and independents who will drive turnout, as well as significant appeal in the Midwest.

Tiptoeing around during the primary as to not offend conservatives is what Clinton did and she lost. Bernie is about to teach the entire country a lesson: when you run an unabashed worker oriented campaign: you win.


True. It's about time we see a lefty stand on principle, instead of false lefties, providing false hope, propped up by a mound of lies and horse shit. I agree that Bernie should just continue being genuine, and avoid making political calculations.


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Re: Sanders [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 3
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so is AOC at so many Bernie events because she is going to end up Vice President when he wins

that'd be pretty cool




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Re: Sanders [Re: Tantrika]
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Re: Sanders [Re: Tantrika]
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She is very special.  I wonder how long she'll last?  I hope her whole life or as long as she wants to. 

One of the brightest lights in American federal politics, along with Sanders.  I wish there were some like her in Ottawa.

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Re: Sanders [Re: JohnRainy]
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Politicians should be removed an the people should be given the power of a direct democracy. Till then we should at least have term limits for all politicians and supreme court justices same as we do for president.


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Re: Sanders [Re: dreamachine]
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who is cornhole west :grin:


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Re: Sanders [Re: Tantrika] * 1
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Tantrika said:
so is AOC at so many Bernie events because she is going to end up Vice President when he wins

that'd be pretty cool






She isn’t old enough to be Vice President. You have to be 35


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Re: Sanders [Re: starfire_xes] * 2
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starfire_xes said:
who is cornhole west :grin:


That would have been funny if I was 8


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Re: Sanders [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Tantrika said:
so is AOC at so many Bernie events because she is going to end up Vice President when he wins

that'd be pretty cool






She isn’t old enough to be Vice President. You have to be 35


shit,
she's younger than me and more accomplished, aside from being my kind of cute

going to just crawl in a hole and die now
:lol:

hopefully Bernie campaigns in support of her future Presidential run
:awesomenod:

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Re: Sanders [Re: Tantrika] * 1
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I think it's becoming possible.  Sanders is emerging in the polls, and he is the second choice of the two other front runners.

He also has the quality of gaining support the more people hear him talk, while Biden might be the opposite.

Man, a Trump/Sanders election would be dynamite.

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Re: Sanders [Re: JohnRainy] * 1
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Trump would demolish Sanders; not saying Trump is 'better' than Sanders, but I can just tell after watching hours of both of them speak. Tulsi is the only one of the contenders I could see being able to stand up against Trump and win.


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Re: Sanders [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
If I were Bernie, I would stay the fuck away from AOC and West.


Why


They're both too radical and turn away more potential supporters than they would gain for Bernie.

Bernie will still get the non-white vote if he runs against Trump, he doesn't need to put those radicals on the stage to gain those inevitable votes.

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Re: Sanders [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Even taking that argument at face value (AOC and West will hurt Bernie in the general), he’s still gotta win the primary, and AOC has the most coveted endorsement of this primary. It would be stupid of him to waste it.

And Bernie doesn’t need conservative voters in the general, either. He has an energized base of democrats and independents who will drive turnout, as well as significant appeal in the Midwest.

Tiptoeing around during the primary as to not offend conservatives is what Clinton did and she lost. Bernie is about to teach the entire country a lesson: when you run an unabashed worker oriented campaign: you win.


OK, use their support for the primary and then Bernie could quickly disassociate himself from the both of them.

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Re: Sanders [Re: qman] * 1
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I think you’re missing the part where Bernie doesn’t need to appeal to Fox News grandpas who think I AOC wants to ban cars and hamburgers.


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Re: Sanders [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
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Obama talks up Warren behind closed doors to wealthy donors


Oh wow I can’t believe it this is so crazy it’s just unfathomable I’m dumbfounded


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Re: Sanders [Re: qman] * 1
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I can see Cornell West not being an asset because he appeals to radicals, who would vote for Bernie anyway. AOC works very well for Bernie. Her energy appeals to the young crowd, and they have little problem with what others see as her extremes. The issue with the young is not how they vote, but getting them to vote. I think she will be valuable to Bernie in the primaries and the general.

I agree with the Ecstatic that Bernie's road to victory depends very little on getting conservatives to crossover. It's based on a high turnout from people who share his philosophy.


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Re: Sanders [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
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CNN is using 40 day old polls to try to keep up their narrative that Bernie has no chance:

https://twitter.com/jordanchariton/status/1209166511463682049?s=21


(Bernie is 2 points back in the RCP average for Iowa)


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Re: Sanders [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
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Brian Jones said:
I can see Cornell West not being an asset because he appeals to radicals, who would vote for Bernie anyway. AOC works very well for Bernie. Her energy appeals to the young crowd, and they have little problem with what others see as her extremes. The issue with the young is not how they vote, but getting them to vote. I think she will be valuable to Bernie in the primaries and the general.

I agree with the Ecstatic that Bernie's road to victory depends very little on getting conservatives to crossover. It's based on a high turnout from people who share his philosophy.


Cornel is an asset because most of the people who know who he is like him, and nobody else really cares. Not nearly as popular or as polarizing as AOC.


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Re: Sanders [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said:
I can see Cornell West not being an asset because he appeals to radicals, who would vote for Bernie anyway. AOC works very well for Bernie. Her energy appeals to the young crowd, and they have little problem with what others see as her extremes. The issue with the young is not how they vote, but getting them to vote. I think she will be valuable to Bernie in the primaries and the general.

I agree with the Ecstatic that Bernie's road to victory depends very little on getting conservatives to crossover. It's based on a high turnout from people who share his philosophy.


Bernie already has the young vote, he doesn't need her for that demographic. 

And yes, it would help Bernie to get some former Trump voters in the key states.  That's why AOC and West need to go right after the primary.

You turn off someone who wants Medicare For All by promoting all of this immigration and diversity rhetoric by parading around with those radicals.

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Re: Sanders [Re: qman] * 1
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1. Bernie doesn’t need a scapegoat, he’s correctly identified capital and the ruling class as the problem.

2. There’s a reason he’s leading polls with non white voters. Pivoting to the right on race and that disappears.


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