YeagerrBomb said:

Take 5g dried. Lay in a dark, quiet room. Close your eyes and look at the back of your eyelids with the expectation that you will see something. These are words from the King himself, Terrence Mckenna. This scenario typically induces a very profound, out of body even trip experience. CEV you will see indeed my fellow traveler.

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grati said:

I get crazy OEV/CEVs every time I trip Try candy flipping and hippie flipping at least once and after that you'll get visuals much easier. Nowadays every trip is super intense with entity contact

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heatlessbbq said:

All psychedelic experiences / effects are not achieved when not focused.

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The lurker said:

Super interesting, the extent of my oev’s with mushrooms Is intense morphing, it’s not until I close my eyes the show really starts

But I mean for me on low doses less than a gram I can close my eyes and meet “entities” there’s a certain dosage around there where I meet the same beings every single time. It’s all of these tan/humanoid faces, and only faces not their body, there’s about 20-30 of them every time and they’re all floating around where I’m looking with my eyes closed. They communicate with me telepathically/visually, and when I take higher dosages, they change form into a more unfiltered form of contact/communication. This is all very vivid.

To get deep with eyes closed, what I do is close them, and focus on every little subtlety that comes into my vision, watch it all stabilize without getting too excited or nervous,  just REALLY trying to observe. It continues to open as I watch it, and it eventually gets to the point where I can’t close it off until the trip is over (but it’ll let me go pee)

I cannot do this if I’m not in silent darkness.

My advice is too close your eyes and meditate and just keep them closed. Don’t even try to look at visuals first, just close them, focus on your breath, and let go, let “it” fill your vision I think it eventually will.

Edit: read a couple of your replies up there, I was not always able to do this. It wasn’t until I took higher dosages, had intense close eyed experience, and came back more sensitive to the substances and knowing more what too expect.

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Vibe_Enthusiast said:

The lurker said:

Super interesting, the extent of my oev’s with mushrooms Is intense morphing, it’s not until I close my eyes the show really starts

But I mean for me on low doses less than a gram I can close my eyes and meet “entities” there’s a certain dosage around there where I meet the same beings every single time. It’s all of these tan/humanoid faces, and only faces not their body, there’s about 20-30 of them every time and they’re all floating around where I’m looking with my eyes closed. They communicate with me telepathically/visually, and when I take higher dosages, they change form into a more unfiltered form of contact/communication. This is all very vivid.

To get deep with eyes closed, what I do is close them, and focus on every little subtlety that comes into my vision, watch it all stabilize without getting too excited or nervous,  just REALLY trying to observe. It continues to open as I watch it, and it eventually gets to the point where I can’t close it off until the trip is over (but it’ll let me go pee)

I cannot do this if I’m not in silent darkness.

My advice is too close your eyes and meditate and just keep them closed. Don’t even try to look at visuals first, just close them, focus on your breath, and let go, let “it” fill your vision I think it eventually will.

Edit: read a couple of your replies up there, I was not always able to do this. It wasn’t until I took higher dosages, had intense close eyed experience, and came back more sensitive to the substances and knowing more what too expect.

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Thanks for your reply man. That actually does help a lot. I just want to be able to experince something similar to you. Starting off with the lighter doses & whatever. My "low dose" is usually an 8th. Which is technically a threshold dose but it seems to do me quite well other than not getting CEV's lol.

You're the second one to say that it took a higher dose in order for you to become more sensitive to the matter. I'm just hoping I can achieve this without having to really set myself into an abyss.

Its not that I'm scared.. I just don't have the balls yet in a sense. I just like these aren't something to mess around with. I take them very cautiously & am a little nervous each time regardless of how many times I've done them.

I think I'm going to try 4.2 next time(lol). But this time I will be by myself and not with someone. I do feel like that will play a big factor. Because even though I was tripping sack.. I knew someone was lying there right next to me and my energy was dripping into the thought of that as well.

I appreciate the response.  I will incorporate what you've said into my next session when I get a good weekend to do so!

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No problem I’m glad!! I can completely relate about being a bit apprehensive about taking the plunge, have you experienced what you refer to as the abyss before? Or better yet have you tried pure dmt? Mushrooms for me are literally a stretched out less intense dmt trip.

I had a really traumatic experience the first time I smoked dmt (60mg) I was really young, clueless and inexperienced as well as entirely lacking respect for the substance, i accidentally kept my eyes open and tried to hold on for dear life. It’s made me create this block of taking higher doses, I have this intense fear that was never there before. It’s taken me so long to get past it and I’m still not over it, it still effects me. So I think it’s really awesome your respect for these higher dose experiences, I think if you wanted to see what it’s about, you’d have no problem with it, if you respect the mushies the mushies will respect you period.

This is my favorite quote ever and it’s pretty relevant for this- “Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it's a feather bed.” T McKenna

“By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it’s a feather bed”

Being alone will definitely make things easier, you’ll be able to concentrate on the actual experience way more, that’s what the whole silent darkness (alone) thing is about.

If it does happen even on 4.2g be ready for the absolute depth of the closed eyed experience. I mean it’s you can’t talk about it at that point dosage isn’t gonna matter and you’re basically plunging into the awe inspiring abyss

Please report back!! Very interested to see what happens.

The lurker said:

Vibe_Enthusiast said:

The lurker said:

Super interesting, the extent of my oev’s with mushrooms Is intense morphing, it’s not until I close my eyes the show really starts

But I mean for me on low doses less than a gram I can close my eyes and meet “entities” there’s a certain dosage around there where I meet the same beings every single time. It’s all of these tan/humanoid faces, and only faces not their body, there’s about 20-30 of them every time and they’re all floating around where I’m looking with my eyes closed. They communicate with me telepathically/visually, and when I take higher dosages, they change form into a more unfiltered form of contact/communication. This is all very vivid.

To get deep with eyes closed, what I do is close them, and focus on every little subtlety that comes into my vision, watch it all stabilize without getting too excited or nervous,  just REALLY trying to observe. It continues to open as I watch it, and it eventually gets to the point where I can’t close it off until the trip is over (but it’ll let me go pee)

I cannot do this if I’m not in silent darkness.

My advice is too close your eyes and meditate and just keep them closed. Don’t even try to look at visuals first, just close them, focus on your breath, and let go, let “it” fill your vision I think it eventually will.

Edit: read a couple of your replies up there, I was not always able to do this. It wasn’t until I took higher dosages, had intense close eyed experience, and came back more sensitive to the substances and knowing more what too expect.

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Thanks for your reply man. That actually does help a lot. I just want to be able to experince something similar to you. Starting off with the lighter doses & whatever. My "low dose" is usually an 8th. Which is technically a threshold dose but it seems to do me quite well other than not getting CEV's lol.

You're the second one to say that it took a higher dose in order for you to become more sensitive to the matter. I'm just hoping I can achieve this without having to really set myself into an abyss.

Its not that I'm scared.. I just don't have the balls yet in a sense. I just like these aren't something to mess around with. I take them very cautiously & am a little nervous each time regardless of how many times I've done them.

I think I'm going to try 4.2 next time(lol). But this time I will be by myself and not with someone. I do feel like that will play a big factor. Because even though I was tripping sack.. I knew someone was lying there right next to me and my energy was dripping into the thought of that as well.

I appreciate the response.  I will incorporate what you've said into my next session when I get a good weekend to do so!

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No problem I’m glad!! I can completely relate about being a bit apprehensive about taking the plunge, have you experienced what you refer to as the abyss before? Or better yet have you tried pure dmt? Mushrooms for me are literally a stretched out less intense dmt trip.

I had a really traumatic experience the first time I smoked dmt (60mg) I was really young, clueless and inexperienced as well as entirely lacking respect for the substance, i accidentally kept my eyes open and tried to hold on for dear life. It’s made me create this block of taking higher doses, I have this intense fear that was never there before. It’s taken me so long to get past it and I’m still not over it, it still effects me. So I think it’s really awesome your respect for these higher dose experiences, I think if you wanted to see what it’s about, you’d have no problem with it, if you respect the mushies the mushies will respect you period.

This is my favorite quote ever and it’s pretty relevant for this- “Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it's a feather bed.” T McKenna

“By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it’s a feather bed”

Being alone will definitely make things easier, you’ll be able to concentrate on the actual experience way more, that’s what the whole silent darkness (alone) thing is about.

If it does happen even on 4.2g be ready for the absolute depth of the closed eyed experience. I mean it’s you can’t talk about it at that point dosage isn’t gonna matter and you’re basically plunging into the awe inspiring abyss

Please report back!! Very interested to see what happens.

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Yeah man. I've always had a respect for these things from the get go. More so because I did a lot of research AFTER my first dose ever. It was a gorgeous day out and my buddy broke out the bag of mushy. He has a backyard with an in ground pool.

So the vibe was all right. Ate them.. and it was the perfect amount to eat for the first time. Waa probably about 3 grams or so.

After that, I started researching and reading reports. I knew that I shouldn't be playing with fire when it comes to the higher doses. So honestly, an 8th/4g has been my 'comfort' zones with the experience. Which is great for me at the moment. But I know I'm starting to get to the point where I need more.

I know there is a lot more to be offered than where I'm at now. But I know when the time will be right and I will be sure to make sure everything is in place prior to me taking that plunge. Those experiences that you've had when you fucked around with DMT haunt you I bet. I just do not want to have the same thing happen to me with mushrooms.

Don't want to be scared to trip again

And I've also never experienced the 'abyss'. But I know there were a few times where I was playing in the front yard of it. Probably another gram would have sent me there. And it wasn't so much a abyss. It was more so.. being completely at peace with everything. I felt like I was floating in space... but it wasn't my body. It wasn't the visuals.. it was like I was the music waves flowing through the universe. I had no connection between my body until I would open my eyes and remind myself I do have a body (I should have never done that, as I'm sure I could have gotten pretty far). But it does feel very very strange to be so disconnected from your body and it was so blissful/freaky at the same time lol.

I appreciate your replies and you sharing your experiences. You've opened up my mind to trying things just a tad differently. Hopefully I can get what I'm after.

Vibe_Enthusiast said:

I know they're something one doesn't have to look for. I get OEV's along the whole trip without putting little to any thought of it. I've just tried several times to get CEV's and I fail to get anything out of it.

And it's not like I'm "forcing" it. Simply close my eyes and try and let things take its course. Like I said, even with my ex.. she was saying she couldn't get rid of the visuals with her eyes closed or open. Then you have me, trying to figure out why I can't seem to get them lol.

Oh well. I will give it another try. Actually looking forward to this next trip, because I'm planning it alone. Hopefully I'm able to get past this little barrier.

Soon enough, I will take the plunge. Just working my way up there.

The lurker said:

Vibe_Enthusiast said:

The lurker said:

Super interesting, the extent of my oev’s with mushrooms Is intense morphing, it’s not until I close my eyes the show really starts

But I mean for me on low doses less than a gram I can close my eyes and meet “entities” there’s a certain dosage around there where I meet the same beings every single time. It’s all of these tan/humanoid faces, and only faces not their body, there’s about 20-30 of them every time and they’re all floating around where I’m looking with my eyes closed. They communicate with me telepathically/visually, and when I take higher dosages, they change form into a more unfiltered form of contact/communication. This is all very vivid.

To get deep with eyes closed, what I do is close them, and focus on every little subtlety that comes into my vision, watch it all stabilize without getting too excited or nervous,  just REALLY trying to observe. It continues to open as I watch it, and it eventually gets to the point where I can’t close it off until the trip is over (but it’ll let me go pee)

I cannot do this if I’m not in silent darkness.

My advice is too close your eyes and meditate and just keep them closed. Don’t even try to look at visuals first, just close them, focus on your breath, and let go, let “it” fill your vision I think it eventually will.

Edit: read a couple of your replies up there, I was not always able to do this. It wasn’t until I took higher dosages, had intense close eyed experience, and came back more sensitive to the substances and knowing more what too expect.

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Thanks for your reply man. That actually does help a lot. I just want to be able to experince something similar to you. Starting off with the lighter doses & whatever. My "low dose" is usually an 8th. Which is technically a threshold dose but it seems to do me quite well other than not getting CEV's lol.

You're the second one to say that it took a higher dose in order for you to become more sensitive to the matter. I'm just hoping I can achieve this without having to really set myself into an abyss.

Its not that I'm scared.. I just don't have the balls yet in a sense. I just like these aren't something to mess around with. I take them very cautiously & am a little nervous each time regardless of how many times I've done them.

I think I'm going to try 4.2 next time(lol). But this time I will be by myself and not with someone. I do feel like that will play a big factor. Because even though I was tripping sack.. I knew someone was lying there right next to me and my energy was dripping into the thought of that as well.

I appreciate the response.  I will incorporate what you've said into my next session when I get a good weekend to do so!

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No problem I’m glad!! I can completely relate about being a bit apprehensive about taking the plunge, have you experienced what you refer to as the abyss before? Or better yet have you tried pure dmt? Mushrooms for me are literally a stretched out less intense dmt trip.

I had a really traumatic experience the first time I smoked dmt (60mg) I was really young, clueless and inexperienced as well as entirely lacking respect for the substance, i accidentally kept my eyes open and tried to hold on for dear life. It’s made me create this block of taking higher doses, I have this intense fear that was never there before. It’s taken me so long to get past it and I’m still not over it, it still effects me. So I think it’s really awesome your respect for these higher dose experiences, I think if you wanted to see what it’s about, you’d have no problem with it, if you respect the mushies the mushies will respect you period.

This is my favorite quote ever and it’s pretty relevant for this- “Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it's a feather bed.” T McKenna

“By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it’s a feather bed”

Being alone will definitely make things easier, you’ll be able to concentrate on the actual experience way more, that’s what the whole silent darkness (alone) thing is about.

If it does happen even on 4.2g be ready for the absolute depth of the closed eyed experience. I mean it’s you can’t talk about it at that point dosage isn’t gonna matter and you’re basically plunging into the awe inspiring abyss

Please report back!! Very interested to see what happens.

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Yeah man. I've always had a respect for these things from the get go. More so because I did a lot of research AFTER my first dose ever. It was a gorgeous day out and my buddy broke out the bag of mushy. He has a backyard with an in ground pool.

So the vibe was all right. Ate them.. and it was the perfect amount to eat for the first time. Waa probably about 3 grams or so.

After that, I started researching and reading reports. I knew that I shouldn't be playing with fire when it comes to the higher doses. So honestly, an 8th/4g has been my 'comfort' zones with the experience. Which is great for me at the moment. But I know I'm starting to get to the point where I need more.

I know there is a lot more to be offered than where I'm at now. But I know when the time will be right and I will be sure to make sure everything is in place prior to me taking that plunge. Those experiences that you've had when you fucked around with DMT haunt you I bet. I just do not want to have the same thing happen to me with mushrooms.

Don't want to be scared to trip again

And I've also never experienced the 'abyss'. But I know there were a few times where I was playing in the front yard of it. Probably another gram would have sent me there. And it wasn't so much a abyss. It was more so.. being completely at peace with everything. I felt like I was floating in space... but it wasn't my body. It wasn't the visuals.. it was like I was the music waves flowing through the universe. I had no connection between my body until I would open my eyes and remind myself I do have a body (I should have never done that, as I'm sure I could have gotten pretty far). But it does feel very very strange to be so disconnected from your body and it was so blissful/freaky at the same time lol.

I appreciate your replies and you sharing your experiences. You've opened up my mind to trying things just a tad differently. Hopefully I can get what I'm after.

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Totally understandable man! Nothing wrong with slowly working your way up, or staying at the same dose to get as much as you can out of it. I only wish I was as cautious/conscious of possible outcomes in my earlier days! You’re doin things right

A lot of people say “you can’t be ready” but I call bullshit. You’ll know when you’re ready enough to let go to/embrace the intense experiences. Can’t say I’m there yet, and yup that experience definitely haunts me. I have some dmt I’ve had for over a year now and I still can’t get myself to go fully back in. It’s been probably a solid 2 or 3 years since that first dmt experience. The vividness of the minuscule amount I remembered has mostly faded, but the trauma is still there.

When I say it felt like I died, I mean when I was inhaling the 3rd hit it felt like I literally got shot in the head with some supermassive intensely bright hyperdimensional cannon. I really thought this was it yet I didn’t have enough time to even get that thought across, it’s like the biggest feeling of shock and awe and downright terror you could possibly imagine, there was nothing to hold on to no matter how hard I tried. Simply was not ready

That sounds like a really beautiful yet intense experience, and that’s an awesome way of describing it. It’s definitely freaky, dmt/mushies have the ability to give you distinct feelings of where “you” are outside of your body and it’s reallyyyy weird lol.

Happy to share man I’m glad! Good luck to you fellow traveler

PrimalSoup said:

The visuals are a small part of the trip anyway. 

OP what's your general experience like in terms of mind-fuck, body-load, sensory rewiring, time/space distortion, loops, delusions, etc? 

'Cause I use the onset of OEVs to judge the sufficiency of the dose, but after enjoying visuals it's really on to other more interesting stuff. 

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