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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
the point when technological advances make wage earnings unnecessary for life-support.


the technology that enables life is already here, its called the ecosystem, modern man and his destructive actions will never bring anything but suffering and death


Psychological and physical traumas associated with nature can be alleviated with counseling and drugs. The destructive tendencies of modern man are a matter of opinion, but you might agree that advances in medicine have diminished more suffering and death than it has brought.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
Psychological and physical traumas associated with nature can be alleviated with counseling and drugs.


wtf? are you serious?

Buster_Brown said:
The destructive tendencies of modern man are a matter of opinion,


uh, no, what planet are you on?

Buster_Brown said:
but you might agree that advances in medicine have diminished more suffering and death than it has brought.


wow, i hope you are just really high, when you come down look into iatrogenic disease


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
Psychological and physical traumas associated with nature can be alleviated with counseling and drugs.


wtf? are you serious?



Definitely serious. How serious are about testing the theory?


killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
The destructive tendencies of modern man are a matter of opinion,


uh, no, what planet are you on?



The planet where discussion can end in results.


killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
but you might agree that advances in medicine have diminished more suffering and death than it has brought.


wow, i hope you are just really high, when you come down look into iatrogenic disease



So you think iatrogenic diseases have caused more pain and death overall than modern medicine has alleviated, that's entertaining.

Edited by Buster_Brown (05/07/19 08:31 PM)

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
Psychological and physical traumas associated with nature can be alleviated with counseling and drugs.


wtf? are you serious?



Definitely serious. How serious are about testing the theory?


what theory? you posit some undefined trauma inherent in nature, not much of a theory, just crackpot rambling

Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
The destructive tendencies of modern man are a matter of opinion,


uh, no, what planet are you on?



The planet where discussion can end in results.


oh ok, explain how modern mans destruction of the environment is just an opinion

Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
but you might agree that advances in medicine have diminished more suffering and death than it has brought.


wow, i hope you are just really high, when you come down look into iatrogenic disease



So you think iatrogenic diseases have caused more pain and death overall than modern medicine has alleviated, that's entertaining.


gee, so glad you are amused, maybe you can try some reality when you finish laughing


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
what theory?...


The theory that modern medicine and counseling can go far in alleviating your physical trauma.




killingravensun said:
oh ok, explain how modern mans destruction of the environment is just an opinion


It's your opinion that "modern man and his destructive actions will never bring anything but suffering and death"



killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
but you might agree that advances in medicine have diminished more suffering and death than it has brought.


wow, i hope you are just really high, when you come down look into iatrogenic disease



So you think iatrogenic diseases have caused more pain and death overall than modern medicine has alleviated, that's entertaining.


gee, so glad you are amused, maybe you can try some reality when you finish laughing


Voltaire said God is a comedian playing to an audience that is too scared to laugh.

We can be entertained without laughing at someone's misfortune.

Edited by Buster_Brown (05/07/19 08:58 PM)

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
what theory?...


The theory that modern medicine and counseling can go far in alleviating your physical trauma.


what trauma? you said "Psychological and physical traumas associated with nature", what trauma is associated with nature?

Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
oh ok, explain how modern mans destruction of the environment is just an opinion


It's your opinion that "modern man and his destructive actions will never bring anything but suffering and death"


you have a hard time following an exchange, you said "destructive tendencies of modern man are a matter of opinion", do you not see the suffering in the world brought on by modern life?


Buster_Brown said:
Voltaire said God is a comedian playing to an audience that is too scared to laugh.

We can be entertained without laughing at someone's misfortune.


the tick said most people misunderstand what they read


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
you said "Psychological and physical traumas associated with nature", what trauma is associated with nature?


Suffering and death.


killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
Quote:
killingravensun said:
oh ok, explain how modern mans destruction of the environment is just an opinion


It's your opinion that "modern man and his destructive actions will never bring anything but suffering and death"


you have a hard time following an exchange, you said "destructive tendencies of modern man are a matter of opinion", do you not see the suffering in the world brought on by modern life?


Suffering is part of life; modern life has made advances in the alleviation of suffering. Perhaps future advances in technique will result in further alleviation.


killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
Voltaire said God is a comedian playing to an audience that is too scared to laugh.

We can be entertained without laughing at someone's misfortune.


the tick said most people misunderstand what they read


The nature of duality ensures that misunderstanding exists, and so counseling may prove to be a constant necessity.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
you said "Psychological and physical traumas associated with nature", what trauma is associated with nature?


Suffering and death.


uh, maybe flesh that out a little, how does the natural world create suffering exactly? and death is universal, are you suggesting man can out smart the universe? how?

Buster_Brown said:
Suffering is part of life; modern life has made advances in the alleviation of suffering. Perhaps future advances in technique will result in further alleviation.


how exactly has modern life mitigated suffering? how is living out of balance with the natural order beneficial?

Buster_Brown said:
The nature of duality ensures that misunderstanding exists, and so counseling may prove to be a constant necessity.


so you trust humans with limited understanding to supplant the benefit of natural living?


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
...how does the natural world create suffering exactly?


Ah, this is Sudly's area of expertise; perhaps he will enjoin us with explanation.


killingravensun said:
...and death is universal, are you suggesting man can out smart the universe? how?


Tough question; can man outsmart the universe thru artificial intelligence? Time will tell.


killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
Suffering is part of life; modern life has made advances in the alleviation of suffering. Perhaps future advances in technique will result in further alleviation.


how exactly has modern life mitigated suffering?


I already gave the example of modern advances in medicine providing alleviation from psychological and physical traumas.


killingravensun said:
how is living out of balance with the natural order beneficial?


This looks like the opportune moment for you to provide an opinion on just what the "natural order" is.


killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
The nature of duality ensures that misunderstanding exists, and so counseling may prove to be a constant necessity.


so you trust humans with limited understanding to supplant the benefit of natural living?


Understanding is cumulative. Artificial intelligence already surpasses the human's capacity, so I believe that "natural living" includes the use of tools such as AI to address our dilemmas.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
...how does the natural world create suffering exactly?


Ah, this is Sudly's area of expertise; perhaps he will enjoin us with explanation.


lol, funny joke, thanks!

Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
...and death is universal, are you suggesting man can out smart the universe? how?


Tough question; can man outsmart the universe thru artificial intelligence? Time will tell.


the term 'artificial intelligence' says it all, its not real, in fact its not intelligence at all, its just algorithms, a set of rules developed by someone with an agenda, it cannot advance knowledge, it can only provide conclusions, something real intelligence can already do

Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
how exactly has modern life mitigated suffering?


I already gave the example of modern advances in medicine providing alleviation from psychological and physical traumas.


no, you gave no example, please provide one specific medical procedure that has benefit

Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
how is living out of balance with the natural order beneficial?


This looks like the opportune moment for you to provide an opinion on just what the "natural order" is.


well, the sun provides for all life on the planet, it grows our food and cleans our air and water, is that an opinion?

Buster_Brown said:
Understanding is cumulative. Artificial intelligence already surpasses the human's capacity, so I believe that "natural living" includes the use of tools such as AI to address our dilemmas.


Algorithm Illusion will not save you, your faith in the religion of artificiality will be your demise


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
how exactly has modern life mitigated suffering?


I already gave the example of modern advances in medicine providing alleviation from psychological and physical traumas.


no, you gave no example, please provide one specific medical procedure that has benefit



How about root canals?

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
How about root canals?


terrible idea, the procedure leaves a dead tooth in the mouth which encourages bacterial growth, anaerobic bacteria cause a number of health issues not the least of which is heart disease

Quote:
Highly diverse microbiota in dental root canals in cases of apical periodontitis (data of illumina sequencing).


Abstract
INTRODUCTION:
Chronic apical periodontitis (CAP) is a frequent condition that has a considerable effect on a patient's quality of life. We aimed to reveal root canal microbial communities in antibiotic-naive patients by applying Illumina sequencing (Illumina Inc, San Diego, CA).

METHODS:
Samples were collected under strict aseptic conditions from 12 teeth (5 with primary CAP, 3 with secondary CAP, and 4 with a periapical abscess [PA]) and characterized by profiling the microbial community on the basis of the V6 hypervariable region of the 16S ribosomal RNA gene by using Illumina HiSeq2000 sequencing combinatorial sequence-tagged polymerase chain reaction products.

RESULTS:
Root canal specimens displayed highly polymicrobial communities in all 3 patient groups. One sample contained 5-8 (mean = 6.5) phyla of bacteria. The most numerous were Firmicutes and Bacteroidetes, but Actinobacteria, Fusobacteria, Proteobacteria, Spirochaetes, Tenericutes, and Synergistetes were also present in most of the patients. One sample contained 30-70 different operational taxonomic units; the mean (± standard deviation) was lower in the primary CAP group (36 ± 4) than in the PA (45 ± 4) and secondary CAP (43 ± 13) groups (P < .05). The communities were individually different, but anaerobic bacteria predominated as the rule. Enterococcus faecalis was found only in patients with secondary CAP. One PA sample displayed a significantly high proportion (47%) of Proteobacteria, mainly at the expense of Janthinobacterium lividum.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25227214


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
...how does the natural world create suffering exactly?


Ah, this is Sudly's area of expertise; perhaps he will enjoin us with explanation.


lol, funny joke, thanks!


No, indeed as far as I can construe is that organisms are sensitive to inertia and momentum of objects. Sudly could supply an encyclopedia of scientific jargon.



killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
...and death is universal, are you suggesting man can out smart the universe? how?


Tough question; can man outsmart the universe thru artificial intelligence? Time will tell.


the term 'artificial intelligence' says it all, its not real, in fact its not intelligence at all, its just algorithms, a set of rules developed by someone with an agenda, it cannot advance knowledge, it can only provide conclusions, something real intelligence can already do


Intelligence is a tool. A tool that can predict future chess-moves is an intelligence in my opinion.



killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
how exactly has modern life mitigated suffering?


I already gave the example of modern advances in medicine providing alleviation from psychological and physical traumas.


no, you gave no example, please provide one specific medical procedure that has benefit


One may presume, at this juncture, that you don't consider anesthesiology to be beneficial.



killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
how is living out of balance with the natural order beneficial?


This looks like the opportune moment for you to provide an opinion on just what the "natural order" is.


well, the sun provides for all life on the planet, it grows our food and cleans our air and water, is that an opinion?


It's as much of an opinion as any other.



killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
Understanding is cumulative. Artificial intelligence already surpasses the human's capacity, so I believe that "natural living" includes the use of tools such as AI to address our dilemmas.


Algorithm Illusion will not save you, your faith in the religion of artificiality will be your demise


Personally I don't think you'd get far without artificial protection from the elements (clothes) and artificial footpads (shoes), but then again you may be just be the sort of person who can prove me wrong.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
No, indeed as far as I can construe is that organisms are sensitive to inertia and momentum of objects. Sudly could supply an encyclopedia of scientific jargon.


your sudly has already proven his inabilty to reason, maybe thats why you think he will back you up

Buster_Brown said:
Intelligence is a tool. A tool that can predict future chess-moves is an intelligence in my opinion.


mathematical modelling based on algorithms, not intelligent at all

Buster_Brown said:
One may presume, at this juncture, that you don't consider anesthesiology to be beneficial.


weakest reply yet since its not even a potential benefit in itself and kills many people

Buster_Brown said:
It's as much of an opinion as any other.


when you start calling scientific fact opinion you are just trolling

Buster_Brown said:
Personally I don't think you'd get far without artificial protection from the elements (clothes) and artificial footpads (shoes), but then again you may be just be the sort of person who can prove me wrong.


you seem pretty naive about how most of the world lives


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
you seem pretty naive about how most of the world lives


Anyone would be forgiven for thinking that your outward claim here, amongst your tirades, is one which applies to yourself.

If you're unhappy and sensible discussion is proving to be an impossibility through your angst, pull back and consider having a word with yourself, young man.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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damn, so insecure he needs to follow me around and insult me, so much fail


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
damn, so insecure he needs to follow me around and insult me, so much fail


Consider the fact that your attitude is so widespread, members will inevitably encounter it.

The 'fail' therefore, is your dispersion. :thumbup:

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
damn, so insecure he needs to follow me around and insult me, so much fail



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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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...and 'fail' is quoting oneself.

Instead, perhaps heed replies you've been provided with throughout the thread and learn from those who are following and submitting more sensible contributions to the topic.  :thumbup:

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