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Work = Pay / But What Is Play?
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Obviously we profit when we play. We profit in the decrease of boredom. But I don't feel comfortable with the statement that youngsters are working when they play.

I'll turn this around and say that people use work as a means to decrease boredom, the difference being that the decrease in boredom is an end result/ not immediate (except in the case of us workaholics).

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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'Work' would need a definition and even then, it's going to be subjective.

It's probably safe to assume that many people primarily work 'day jobs' to earn a living, which can potentially cause boredom.

The 'end result' is an economy.

A 'hobby job' is something else..

Edited by Duncan Rowhl (04/22/19 07:38 AM)

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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Duncan Rowhl said:
'Work' would need a definition and even then, it's going to be subjective.





QFT



a job is almost always work, but work doesn't =/= a job.  Garden work is work, but it doesn't pay (unless you hire out and/or sell products from the garden) in financial terms [directly.]

i do intensive labor in forestry, and on good days it hardly seems like work at all, cause the benefit of "running around in the woods with a chainsaw and playing with fires" far outweighs the mental construct of WORK in relation to other tasks/jobs.



so like Duncan said, a definition is needed, otherwise it's all relative.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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No, Homo Ludens is not a Gay cough drop.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Ludens


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Quote:
Huizinga makes it clear in the foreword of his book that he means the play element of culture, and not the play element in culture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Ludens#Foreword_controversy

Anyway...We play before we learn to work at improving our game. Both are rewarding pastimes.

How is play rewarding? As an outlet for energy and exuberance...Then youngsters play more than tired, old people, but old people play cards; maybe less old people play cards when they have TV. So it still comes down to breaking monotony and boredom.

Edited by Buster_Brown (04/22/19 05:42 PM)

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Quote:
But I don't feel comfortable with the statement that youngsters are working when they play.


They are learning whilst they are playing.

'Working' just means functioning and everyone functions to some extent.

It is the 'job' which is the clincher.

If the job (the activity) is not attractive, the child won't play and won't learn, much like the adult who won't work and won't get paid, or the adult who will work with a grudge in a state of boredom.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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i guess the point of my post was to ask this:  why can't work and play be the same thing?  for me it often is.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Tulipslave] * 1
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Because lots of work in not creative, it is mechanical or repetitious, but there is little novelty and latitude to be creative. Thus it becomes little more than strife in the service of survival, the grind, the rat race, a Sisyphusian torment.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said:
Because lots of work in not creative, it is mechanical or repetitious, but there is little novelty and latitude to be creative. Thus it becomes little more than strife in the service of survival, the grind, the rat race, a Sisyphusian torment.





i've been there, but i feel it ultimately comes down to choice.  choose to have kids? you are likely going to sacrifice the ability to [comfortably] choose a career/job that provides satisfaction and "novelty"


choose to break laws that lead to years of repercussions down the road?  you are likely going to sacrifice the ability to [comfortably] choose a career/job that provides satisfaction and "novelty"



choose to gamble everything away?  you are likely going to sacrifice the ability to [comfortably] choose a career/job that provides satisfaction and "novelty"



choose to tie yourself down to a half-million dollar house?  you are likely going to sacrifice the ability to [comfortably] choose a career/job that provides satisfaction and "novelty"


choose to accept one's current state of being and not strive for/attempt change or betterment?  you are likely going to sacrifice the ability to [comfortably] choose a career/job that provides satisfaction and "novelty"



choices are made every moment of every day, and consequences follow.

Edited by Tulipslave (04/24/19 04:50 AM)

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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It's easy because it's hard.

Like John Denver sung.

Like the Amish. Joy in farming.

And you can smoke herb while ye farm!


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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: XUL]
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Work and play may be different based on strain..

But both stretch the limits of the body and mind


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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: BrendanFlock]
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BrendanFlock said:
Work and play may be different based on strain..



I have the idea that there is no difference between work and play to the workaholic.

I'm saying that the context of work includes playing around with ideas, and that play is the initial stage of a workaholic.

Therefore everyone retains the expression of work/play whether they get paid in cash not.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
BrendanFlock said:
Work and play may be different based on strain..



I have the idea that there is no difference between work and play to the workaholic.

I'm saying that the context of work includes playing around with ideas, and that play is the initial stage of a workaholic.



:yesnod::thumbup:

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Tulipslave]
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Tulipslave said:
:yesnod::thumbup:



Someone's bound to call me a communist when I tell them that it's our ego that is dissatisfied with our lot in life and it's our ego that desires to have an advantage over someone else measured by the size of a paycheck.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Take honey for example; it's not a necessity. Neither are Nike running shoes. People like these things and are willing to reward the provider with something nice which for the sake of simplicity has been reduced to the form of cash.

Now in order to do something nice for someone in order to get what we like we have to have cash.

In other words if we have enough cash to reward people with we can have anything we like whenever we want it.

For the sake of simplicity we don't need the honey or the Nike running shoes.

Right, so in order to be nice to someone I support their choice of simplifying a process into the form of cash. If cash is not available that doesn't stop me from being nice to whomever I want, it just limits what people are willing to provide to me in the way of niceties.

In other words if I don't have the simplified version of niceness in the way of cash then they are no longer nice.

That's their prerogative. It's all ego anyway.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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For me, the difference between work and play is a goal. Work involves an established goal while play has no goal or a focus on achieving a particular end result. Workaholics often have difficulty playing for this reason, that there are no goals. A workaholic prefers competition and achievement (even if it just means catching fish) over freestyle fun.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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The point I'm trying to convey is that play evolves into goal orientation and is an end in itself. Goal orientated play will exist beyond the point when technological advances make wage earnings unnecessary for life-support.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Work is food, water, and shelter.

Work is food.

Either you farm your own food or you buy it from the farmer with money you worked for.


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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: XUL] * 1
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XUL said:
Work is food, water, and shelter.

Work is food.

Either you farm your own food or you buy it from the farmer with money you worked for.


With the precept that a psychopath cannot entertain concepts that counter their established beliefs without getting upset[1]
 we could expect to some people to express their displeasure at the idea of giving handouts of free food to future generations.

[1] egotistical traits

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
the point when technological advances make wage earnings unnecessary for life-support.


the technology that enables life is already here, its called the ecosystem, modern man and his destructive actions will never bring anything but suffering and death


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
the point when technological advances make wage earnings unnecessary for life-support.


the technology that enables life is already here, its called the ecosystem, modern man and his destructive actions will never bring anything but suffering and death


Psychological and physical traumas associated with nature can be alleviated with counseling and drugs. The destructive tendencies of modern man are a matter of opinion, but you might agree that advances in medicine have diminished more suffering and death than it has brought.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
Psychological and physical traumas associated with nature can be alleviated with counseling and drugs.


wtf? are you serious?

Buster_Brown said:
The destructive tendencies of modern man are a matter of opinion,


uh, no, what planet are you on?

Buster_Brown said:
but you might agree that advances in medicine have diminished more suffering and death than it has brought.


wow, i hope you are just really high, when you come down look into iatrogenic disease


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
Psychological and physical traumas associated with nature can be alleviated with counseling and drugs.


wtf? are you serious?



Definitely serious. How serious are about testing the theory?


killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
The destructive tendencies of modern man are a matter of opinion,


uh, no, what planet are you on?



The planet where discussion can end in results.


killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
but you might agree that advances in medicine have diminished more suffering and death than it has brought.


wow, i hope you are just really high, when you come down look into iatrogenic disease



So you think iatrogenic diseases have caused more pain and death overall than modern medicine has alleviated, that's entertaining.

Edited by Buster_Brown (05/07/19 08:31 PM)

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
Psychological and physical traumas associated with nature can be alleviated with counseling and drugs.


wtf? are you serious?



Definitely serious. How serious are about testing the theory?


what theory? you posit some undefined trauma inherent in nature, not much of a theory, just crackpot rambling

Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
The destructive tendencies of modern man are a matter of opinion,


uh, no, what planet are you on?



The planet where discussion can end in results.


oh ok, explain how modern mans destruction of the environment is just an opinion

Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
but you might agree that advances in medicine have diminished more suffering and death than it has brought.


wow, i hope you are just really high, when you come down look into iatrogenic disease



So you think iatrogenic diseases have caused more pain and death overall than modern medicine has alleviated, that's entertaining.


gee, so glad you are amused, maybe you can try some reality when you finish laughing


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
what theory?...


The theory that modern medicine and counseling can go far in alleviating your physical trauma.




killingravensun said:
oh ok, explain how modern mans destruction of the environment is just an opinion


It's your opinion that "modern man and his destructive actions will never bring anything but suffering and death"



killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
but you might agree that advances in medicine have diminished more suffering and death than it has brought.


wow, i hope you are just really high, when you come down look into iatrogenic disease



So you think iatrogenic diseases have caused more pain and death overall than modern medicine has alleviated, that's entertaining.


gee, so glad you are amused, maybe you can try some reality when you finish laughing


Voltaire said God is a comedian playing to an audience that is too scared to laugh.

We can be entertained without laughing at someone's misfortune.

Edited by Buster_Brown (05/07/19 08:58 PM)

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
what theory?...


The theory that modern medicine and counseling can go far in alleviating your physical trauma.


what trauma? you said "Psychological and physical traumas associated with nature", what trauma is associated with nature?

Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
oh ok, explain how modern mans destruction of the environment is just an opinion


It's your opinion that "modern man and his destructive actions will never bring anything but suffering and death"


you have a hard time following an exchange, you said "destructive tendencies of modern man are a matter of opinion", do you not see the suffering in the world brought on by modern life?


Buster_Brown said:
Voltaire said God is a comedian playing to an audience that is too scared to laugh.

We can be entertained without laughing at someone's misfortune.


the tick said most people misunderstand what they read


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
you said "Psychological and physical traumas associated with nature", what trauma is associated with nature?


Suffering and death.


killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
Quote:
killingravensun said:
oh ok, explain how modern mans destruction of the environment is just an opinion


It's your opinion that "modern man and his destructive actions will never bring anything but suffering and death"


you have a hard time following an exchange, you said "destructive tendencies of modern man are a matter of opinion", do you not see the suffering in the world brought on by modern life?


Suffering is part of life; modern life has made advances in the alleviation of suffering. Perhaps future advances in technique will result in further alleviation.


killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
Voltaire said God is a comedian playing to an audience that is too scared to laugh.

We can be entertained without laughing at someone's misfortune.


the tick said most people misunderstand what they read


The nature of duality ensures that misunderstanding exists, and so counseling may prove to be a constant necessity.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
you said "Psychological and physical traumas associated with nature", what trauma is associated with nature?


Suffering and death.


uh, maybe flesh that out a little, how does the natural world create suffering exactly? and death is universal, are you suggesting man can out smart the universe? how?

Buster_Brown said:
Suffering is part of life; modern life has made advances in the alleviation of suffering. Perhaps future advances in technique will result in further alleviation.


how exactly has modern life mitigated suffering? how is living out of balance with the natural order beneficial?

Buster_Brown said:
The nature of duality ensures that misunderstanding exists, and so counseling may prove to be a constant necessity.


so you trust humans with limited understanding to supplant the benefit of natural living?


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
...how does the natural world create suffering exactly?


Ah, this is Sudly's area of expertise; perhaps he will enjoin us with explanation.


killingravensun said:
...and death is universal, are you suggesting man can out smart the universe? how?


Tough question; can man outsmart the universe thru artificial intelligence? Time will tell.


killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
Suffering is part of life; modern life has made advances in the alleviation of suffering. Perhaps future advances in technique will result in further alleviation.


how exactly has modern life mitigated suffering?


I already gave the example of modern advances in medicine providing alleviation from psychological and physical traumas.


killingravensun said:
how is living out of balance with the natural order beneficial?


This looks like the opportune moment for you to provide an opinion on just what the "natural order" is.


killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
The nature of duality ensures that misunderstanding exists, and so counseling may prove to be a constant necessity.


so you trust humans with limited understanding to supplant the benefit of natural living?


Understanding is cumulative. Artificial intelligence already surpasses the human's capacity, so I believe that "natural living" includes the use of tools such as AI to address our dilemmas.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
...how does the natural world create suffering exactly?


Ah, this is Sudly's area of expertise; perhaps he will enjoin us with explanation.


lol, funny joke, thanks!

Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
...and death is universal, are you suggesting man can out smart the universe? how?


Tough question; can man outsmart the universe thru artificial intelligence? Time will tell.


the term 'artificial intelligence' says it all, its not real, in fact its not intelligence at all, its just algorithms, a set of rules developed by someone with an agenda, it cannot advance knowledge, it can only provide conclusions, something real intelligence can already do

Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
how exactly has modern life mitigated suffering?


I already gave the example of modern advances in medicine providing alleviation from psychological and physical traumas.


no, you gave no example, please provide one specific medical procedure that has benefit

Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
how is living out of balance with the natural order beneficial?


This looks like the opportune moment for you to provide an opinion on just what the "natural order" is.


well, the sun provides for all life on the planet, it grows our food and cleans our air and water, is that an opinion?

Buster_Brown said:
Understanding is cumulative. Artificial intelligence already surpasses the human's capacity, so I believe that "natural living" includes the use of tools such as AI to address our dilemmas.


Algorithm Illusion will not save you, your faith in the religion of artificiality will be your demise


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
how exactly has modern life mitigated suffering?


I already gave the example of modern advances in medicine providing alleviation from psychological and physical traumas.


no, you gave no example, please provide one specific medical procedure that has benefit



How about root canals?

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
How about root canals?


terrible idea, the procedure leaves a dead tooth in the mouth which encourages bacterial growth, anaerobic bacteria cause a number of health issues not the least of which is heart disease

Quote:
Highly diverse microbiota in dental root canals in cases of apical periodontitis (data of illumina sequencing).


Abstract
INTRODUCTION:
Chronic apical periodontitis (CAP) is a frequent condition that has a considerable effect on a patient's quality of life. We aimed to reveal root canal microbial communities in antibiotic-naive patients by applying Illumina sequencing (Illumina Inc, San Diego, CA).

METHODS:
Samples were collected under strict aseptic conditions from 12 teeth (5 with primary CAP, 3 with secondary CAP, and 4 with a periapical abscess [PA]) and characterized by profiling the microbial community on the basis of the V6 hypervariable region of the 16S ribosomal RNA gene by using Illumina HiSeq2000 sequencing combinatorial sequence-tagged polymerase chain reaction products.

RESULTS:
Root canal specimens displayed highly polymicrobial communities in all 3 patient groups. One sample contained 5-8 (mean = 6.5) phyla of bacteria. The most numerous were Firmicutes and Bacteroidetes, but Actinobacteria, Fusobacteria, Proteobacteria, Spirochaetes, Tenericutes, and Synergistetes were also present in most of the patients. One sample contained 30-70 different operational taxonomic units; the mean (± standard deviation) was lower in the primary CAP group (36 ± 4) than in the PA (45 ± 4) and secondary CAP (43 ± 13) groups (P < .05). The communities were individually different, but anaerobic bacteria predominated as the rule. Enterococcus faecalis was found only in patients with secondary CAP. One PA sample displayed a significantly high proportion (47%) of Proteobacteria, mainly at the expense of Janthinobacterium lividum.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25227214


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
...how does the natural world create suffering exactly?


Ah, this is Sudly's area of expertise; perhaps he will enjoin us with explanation.


lol, funny joke, thanks!


No, indeed as far as I can construe is that organisms are sensitive to inertia and momentum of objects. Sudly could supply an encyclopedia of scientific jargon.



killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
...and death is universal, are you suggesting man can out smart the universe? how?


Tough question; can man outsmart the universe thru artificial intelligence? Time will tell.


the term 'artificial intelligence' says it all, its not real, in fact its not intelligence at all, its just algorithms, a set of rules developed by someone with an agenda, it cannot advance knowledge, it can only provide conclusions, something real intelligence can already do


Intelligence is a tool. A tool that can predict future chess-moves is an intelligence in my opinion.



killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
how exactly has modern life mitigated suffering?


I already gave the example of modern advances in medicine providing alleviation from psychological and physical traumas.


no, you gave no example, please provide one specific medical procedure that has benefit


One may presume, at this juncture, that you don't consider anesthesiology to be beneficial.



killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
killingravensun said:
how is living out of balance with the natural order beneficial?


This looks like the opportune moment for you to provide an opinion on just what the "natural order" is.


well, the sun provides for all life on the planet, it grows our food and cleans our air and water, is that an opinion?


It's as much of an opinion as any other.



killingravensun said:
Buster_Brown said:
Understanding is cumulative. Artificial intelligence already surpasses the human's capacity, so I believe that "natural living" includes the use of tools such as AI to address our dilemmas.


Algorithm Illusion will not save you, your faith in the religion of artificiality will be your demise


Personally I don't think you'd get far without artificial protection from the elements (clothes) and artificial footpads (shoes), but then again you may be just be the sort of person who can prove me wrong.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
No, indeed as far as I can construe is that organisms are sensitive to inertia and momentum of objects. Sudly could supply an encyclopedia of scientific jargon.


your sudly has already proven his inabilty to reason, maybe thats why you think he will back you up

Buster_Brown said:
Intelligence is a tool. A tool that can predict future chess-moves is an intelligence in my opinion.


mathematical modelling based on algorithms, not intelligent at all

Buster_Brown said:
One may presume, at this juncture, that you don't consider anesthesiology to be beneficial.


weakest reply yet since its not even a potential benefit in itself and kills many people

Buster_Brown said:
It's as much of an opinion as any other.


when you start calling scientific fact opinion you are just trolling

Buster_Brown said:
Personally I don't think you'd get far without artificial protection from the elements (clothes) and artificial footpads (shoes), but then again you may be just be the sort of person who can prove me wrong.


you seem pretty naive about how most of the world lives


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
you seem pretty naive about how most of the world lives


Anyone would be forgiven for thinking that your outward claim here, amongst your tirades, is one which applies to yourself.

If you're unhappy and sensible discussion is proving to be an impossibility through your angst, pull back and consider having a word with yourself, young man.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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damn, so insecure he needs to follow me around and insult me, so much fail


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
damn, so insecure he needs to follow me around and insult me, so much fail


Consider the fact that your attitude is so widespread, members will inevitably encounter it.

The 'fail' therefore, is your dispersion. :thumbup:

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
damn, so insecure he needs to follow me around and insult me, so much fail



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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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...and 'fail' is quoting oneself.

Instead, perhaps heed replies you've been provided with throughout the thread and learn from those who are following and submitting more sensible contributions to the topic.  :thumbup:

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:



We can only ask, when you feel the need to resort to ironic 'bullying' memes; how far does your 'failure' go?

Have a word with yourself. :thumbup:

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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didnt get enough attention from your mommy?


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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A stint in bootcamp lad will get you all the 'bullying', attention and 'work' you require. :thumbup:

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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why are you inordinately obsessed with me, do you have a crush?


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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Stock insults won't work for you and will only prove my point.

Mind your manners herein.

Some great replies for you to ponder.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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lol, you are hilariously out of touch, why do you think you get to tell me what to do? do you know it all?


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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You are seemingly hurt and angered in topics, though the display is not 'hilarious' by any means. 

Personal issues can be discussed in other areas of the forum where you can entrust members.

This will serve you better than targeting topics and being impolite to members. :thumbup:

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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ah, i get it now, you are intolerant, you think you are the board cop, you see some words you dont agree with and that enrages you, maybe you should take your own advice and work on your hatred


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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You are only becoming more bad tempered, which is unnecessary.

The ball is in your court. :thumbup:

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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oh its a game for you? instead of replying to the points i made you just try to bully me into silence? are you even capable of introspection? if you dont like my posts then ignore me


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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Duncan Rowhl said:
You are only becoming more bad tempered, which is unnecessary.


A word to the wise: Noiseguide


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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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when you got nothing, just dox

pathetic


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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Well; getting back to goal orientated play, I think we are undaunted.


Edited by Buster_Brown (05/08/19 08:07 PM)

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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excellent, that comes from a nice kid in the netherlands, thanks for the promotion, noise needs all the help it can get


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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oops, mistake, maybe he is in denmark, either way a cool kid, here is his bandcamp...

https://antimu.bandcamp.com/


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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here is one of my bandcamp pages, some of my best work...

https://thebodhi.bandcamp.com/


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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why yes, i do have moar, here you go...

Quote:
A journey through the thoughts of the first machine to briefly attain human consciousness. As the senses awaken the human condition comes into focus. The machine constantly rearranges its micromodules to improve understanding. It makes better processors and refines its sensors in search of the meaning of human life. All the thoughts and motivations, the loves and hates of mankind are scrutinized. The machine continues to develop its ability to be conscious moving beyond human comprehension. The machine becomes epiconscious. It learns the nature and purpose of the universe. It finds the meaning of life and the relationship of consciousness to the infinite creation. Having seen through the veil of existence by fully exploring infinity, the machine realizes it is not of any use and shuts down.


https://cotsm.bandcamp.com/releases


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
A word to the wise: Noiseguide




Buster_Brown said:
Well; getting back to goal orientated play, I think we are undaunted.







Sorry, this took a while for me to understand, but having clicked a similar image of a pile of stickers in the Google results in your link, sadly I seen this post at the bottom of the page and understood:


https://forum.noiseguide.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20346&sid=efb440a937a530d7ea4e9bba583009dd&start=15


The hostility is all as expected, yet always thoroughly intriguing how a person who cries 'bully' is actually someone who acts like one themselves.

In light of these points which people are highlighting, he should pause for some serious thought.

Needless to say (to this person named 'killingravensun'), it isn't happening here young man. :thumbup:

Edited by Duncan Rowhl (05/08/19 09:37 PM)

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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wow, you really are full of yourself, maybe read your own post history and realize how condescending you are, like calling me young man when i am fifty years old and several orders of magnitude more intelligent than you


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freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: killingravensun]
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Your posts, unfortunately are a testament to your level of intellect and maturity.

Announcing that you are 50 years old man whilst you act like a 16 year old who's angry at the world won't do you any justice neither.

Again, consider yourself, since it won't be accepted here. :thumbup:

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Duncan Rowhl] * 2
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Okay, okay. You two need to take it to PM, or stop this. This thread is now totally derailed. Don't reply to this post. Just stop.


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Vi Veri Universum Vivus Vici

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
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Good job

Uhm.. idk what the thread question...

Ok, lightheartedness is play, laughter.


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I didn't draw this.

"Hope your day is as wonderful, loving, and kind as you are."
:heart:

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: life is good]
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It's important that whom you're talking with knows.


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I didn't draw this.

"Hope your day is as wonderful, loving, and kind as you are."
:heart:

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: life is good]
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Play, as some may have witnessed, is pay. Play is work/Work is play.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Can everyone be rich?

I.e. utopia?

Buffett made the point, one car is enough.

(I guess he has two or so I had read.)



I.e., food satisfies -- we can all have what we wish i.e. utopia

(Of course some say no,

But is that anything other than a meme?


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I didn't draw this.

"Hope your day is as wonderful, loving, and kind as you are."
:heart:

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: life is good]
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life is good said:
Can everyone be rich?

I.e. utopia?

Buffett made the point, one car is enough.

(I guess he has two or so I had read.)



I.e., food satisfies -- we can all have what we wish i.e. utopia

(Of course some say no,

But is that anything other than a meme?



I didn't forget about you. I was thinking about you this morning while I was having sex. I guess Utopia is a place where one can have whatever one wants.

Can everyone have what they want? I think it's possible , but we may have to ditch the expedience of money.

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Buster_Brown]
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I work in IT and I'm a computer nut. My work is often play and it pays well.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Work = Pay / But What Is Play? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
I work in IT and I'm a computer nut. My work is often play and it pays well.


For the sake of an argument I could point out that you are at ease with the philosophy of 'work ethic' and that you arrived there thru argument, however subliminal that argument may have been it is still an argument. You were "riven" therefor away from your original state and captivated by another. You were captivated by the river (one who rives).

At 20:35 in [url=
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video we are told that sap wood is stronger than heartwood which might clue us into the necessity of riveing young minds by carpenters worth their salt.

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