Pinkerton said:

Tantrika said:

LogicaL Chaos said:

Very controversial topic but there could be a correlation between virtual violence and real-life violence.

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correlation, sure
but people have been trying to prove causation for decades
and been unsuccessful

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And you trust that silly research?

Are you in fact telling me US army folk don't get violently triggered watching Saving Private Ryan and Black Hawk Down?

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Pinkerton said:

Tantrika said:

You should play Undertale on a pure pacifist run, one of my favourite games ever and all about choosing altruism over violence
at least on the pacifist run; bastards who do genocide run kill everyone and everything until the game is empty

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Why would I bother playing altruist, when I can do it IRL?

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Well if real life killers naturally play killers
then it would make sense that real life altruists play altruists in games
and that those who don't want to, prolly aren't altruistic IRL either


but personally just suggested it because it is an enjoyable game to play in pacifist mode
and specifically uncovers story growth that is not available to players who do not do it

Pinkerton said:

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Are you in fact telling me US army folk don't get violently triggered watching Saving Private Ryan and Black Hawk Down?

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As an aside, you may be interested in this
not videogaming itself
but videogame technology being adapted to therapy to help soldiers with PTSD

the potentials for VR tech is pretty amazing

Tantrika said:

Pinkerton said:

Tantrika said:

You should play Undertale on a pure pacifist run, one of my favourite games ever and all about choosing altruism over violence
at least on the pacifist run; bastards who do genocide run kill everyone and everything until the game is empty

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Why would I bother playing altruist, when I can do it IRL?

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Well if real life killers naturally play killers
then it would make sense that real life altruists play altruists in games
and that those who don't want to, prolly aren't altruistic IRL either


but personally just suggested it because it is an enjoyable game to play in pacifist mode
and specifically uncovers story growth that is not available to players who do not do it

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Tantrika said:

Pinkerton said:

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Are you in fact telling me US army folk don't get violently triggered watching Saving Private Ryan and Black Hawk Down?

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As an aside, you may be interested in this
not videogaming itself
but videogame technology being adapted to therapy to help soldiers with PTSD

the potentials for VR tech is pretty amazing

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Yeah, I like some technology!

Juz' like uptempo smooth jazz:

Pinkerton said:

No, my personal trust is in knowing how extensively videogames have permeated society without a significant uptick in violence

Oh really?

Studies indicate that the rate at which public mass shootings occur has tripled since 2011. Between 1982 and 2011, a mass shooting occurred roughly once every 200 days. However, between 2011 and 2014 that rate has accelerated greatly with at least one mass shooting occurring every 64 days in the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

Grand Theft Auto, much?

The violence errupted in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Yemen. Go Battlefield and Call of Duty! You should know this, Tantrika.

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Very interesting
almost as interesting as the fact that US gaming only really took off around the Xbox 360 generation in 2005
while the overwhelming majority of gaming products and titles prior to that was produced in Japan
including the atrocious violence-endorsing Mario that was mentioned on the previous page as replacing nice and friendly American Mickey Mouse values

but while gun violence in the US has been a problem for ages
videogames have been a worldwide media phenomenon, and there is not a similar uptick outside the US

as was stated in my post that you objected to
correlation is definitely a thing; videogames have become too widespread for it not to be
but nothing about what you provided indicates a causation

Pinkerton said:

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people getting triggered watching war movies is another matter entirely

It's the same bullshit, murder, rape and hatred. This we see all over society. It's the culture of fear and it's deeply rooted in video games.

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if your position is honestly that there is no difference between someone having a serious psychological condition from real life sources(PTSD)
and tracing back to before videogames (known as Shellshock in WWI, and general battle fatigue throughout history)
is the same bullshit as videogames having somehow made society more violent
it is not going to be possible for me to take your posts seriously

Pinkerton said:

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the poor souls would not be able to be triggered if not for being forced by their government to participate in violence

I blame the American people, they're not humane enough to stand up and say no. Suicide > unjust murder.

Children get influenced by murders and think it's cool, that's why they so violently do it abroad when they get older. It's a fucked up American culture-thing. Grand Theft Auto forgives you and kids subtly think that's what society does as well.

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You should watch the provided video about the Canadian soldier who had his feet blown off in Afghanistan and came back without PTSD
personally fond of him, as a Canadian myself, which also means all the shit you are spouting about how my hobby of videogaming is simultaneously a fucked up American culture-thing is giving me a good laugh

Pinkerton said:

Tantrika said:

Pinkerton said:

Tantrika said:

You should play Undertale on a pure pacifist run, one of my favourite games ever and all about choosing altruism over violence
at least on the pacifist run; bastards who do genocide run kill everyone and everything until the game is empty

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Why would I bother playing altruist, when I can do it IRL?

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Well if real life killers naturally play killers
then it would make sense that real life altruists play altruists in games
and that those who don't want to, prolly aren't altruistic IRL either


but personally just suggested it because it is an enjoyable game to play in pacifist mode
and specifically uncovers story growth that is not available to players who do not do it

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No, it doesn't make sense. A video game is bullshit. It takes us far away from real life. And real life needs some fucking reality check because it fucking sucks.

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shivas.wisdom said:

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Ulfrick=xenophobia and ethno-nationalism=Trump
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Quote:

Status: Asset (uncooperative), Dormant, Emissary Level Approval

Description: Jarl of Windhelm, leader of the Stormcloak rebellion, Imperial Legion veteran

Background:

Ulfric first came to our attention during the First War against the Empire, when he was taken as a prisoner of war during the campaign for the White-Gold Tower. Under interrogation, we learned of his potential value (son of the Jarl of Windhelm) and he was assigned as an asset to the interrogator, who is now First Emissary Elenwen. He was made to believe information obtained during his interrogation was crucial in the capture of the Imperial City (the city had in fact fallen before he had broken), and then allowed to escape. After the war, contact was established and he has proven his worth as an asset. The so-called Markarth Incident was particularly valuable from the point of view of our strategic goals in Skyrim, although it resulted in Ulfric becoming generally uncooperative to direct contact.

Operational Notes: Direct contact remains a possibility (under extreme circumstances), but in general the asset should be considered dormant. As long as the civil war proceeds in its current indecisive fashion, we should remain hands-off. The incident at Helgen is an example where an exception had to be made - obviously Ulfric's death would have dramatically increased the chance of an Imperial victory and thus harmed our overall position in Skyrim. (NOTE: The coincidental intervention of the dragon at Helgen is still under scrutiny. The obvious conclusion is that whoever is behind the dragons also has an interest in the continuation of the war, but we should not assume therefore that their goals align with our own.) A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however, so even indirect aid to the Stormcloaks must be carefully managed.

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Reports vary, but The Bear of Markarth claims every official who worked for the Reachmen was killed, even after they had surrendered, native women were tortured to give up names of Reachmen fighters who had fled the city and anyone who lived in the city, Reachmen and Nord alike, were executed if they had not fought with Ulfric and his men when they breached the gates. Ulfric supposedly even ordered the deaths of shopkeepers, farmers, the elderly, and any child old enough to lift a sword that had failed in the call to fight with him.

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shivas.wisdom said:

Haha was hoping for your imput on the matter! I coincidentally have started my first play through of Skyrim, while staying with a friend for a couple weeks, but I definitely haven't delved deeper than the surface appearance of characters.

It definitely is an interesting and lore filled universe. I find myself often getting pulled into reading the in-game books as if I was at a library

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all of this discussion already has me planning out another Breton playthrough
going to specialize as a Mage and buddy up with the Khajiit student from the College of Winterhold
also quite fond of the College library, but the Librarian 'can't' be a follower
(can mod him into one safely after finishing all quests he is linked to tho)

Elder Scrolls Lore has been a massive part of my life
including the Elder Scrolls novels that came out after Oblivion and set up the existence of the Sleeping Tree in Skyrim




likely have more time invested into Elder Scrolls Online than any other single title tho
being able to converse with other players and put my skills to use helping newbies through dungeons and to learn PvP and stuff provides a bit of freshness unavailable in the static storytelling of the single player titles

Tantrika said:

Pinkerton said:

No, my personal trust is in knowing how extensively videogames have permeated society without a significant uptick in violence

Oh really?

Studies indicate that the rate at which public mass shootings occur has tripled since 2011. Between 1982 and 2011, a mass shooting occurred roughly once every 200 days. However, between 2011 and 2014 that rate has accelerated greatly with at least one mass shooting occurring every 64 days in the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

Grand Theft Auto, much?

The violence errupted in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Yemen. Go Battlefield and Call of Duty! You should know this, Tantrika.

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Very interesting
almost as interesting as the fact that US gaming only really took off around the Xbox 360 generation in 2005
while the overwhelming majority of gaming products and titles prior to that was produced in Japan
including the atrocious violence-endorsing Mario that was mentioned on the previous page as replacing nice and friendly American Mickey Mouse values

but while gun violence in the US has been a problem for ages
videogames have been a worldwide media phenomenon, and there is not a similar uptick outside the US

as was stated in my post that you objected to
correlation is definitely a thing; videogames have become too widespread for it not to be
but nothing about what you provided indicates a causation

Pinkerton said:

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people getting triggered watching war movies is another matter entirely

It's the same bullshit, murder, rape and hatred. This we see all over society. It's the culture of fear and it's deeply rooted in video games.

...

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if your position is honestly that there is no difference between someone having a serious psychological condition from real life sources(PTSD)
and tracing back to before videogames (known as Shellshock in WWI, and general battle fatigue throughout history)
is the same bullshit as videogames having somehow made society more violent
it is not going to be possible for me to take your posts seriously

Pinkerton said:

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the poor souls would not be able to be triggered if not for being forced by their government to participate in violence

I blame the American people, they're not humane enough to stand up and say no. Suicide > unjust murder.

Children get influenced by murders and think it's cool, that's why they so violently do it abroad when they get older. It's a fucked up American culture-thing. Grand Theft Auto forgives you and kids subtly think that's what society does as well.

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You should watch the provided video about the Canadian soldier who had his feet blown off in Afghanistan and came back without PTSD
personally fond of him, as a Canadian myself, which also means all the shit you are spouting about how my hobby of videogaming is simultaneously a fucked up American culture-thing is giving me a good laugh

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Very interesting
almost as interesting as the fact that US gaming only really took off around the Xbox 360 generation in 2005
while the overwhelming majority of gaming products and titles prior to that was produced in Japan
including the atrocious violence-endorsing Mario that was mentioned on the previous page as replacing nice and friendly American Mickey Mouse values

Come on! It takes time for the hatred to boil. It most often doesn't happen overnight. Kids think "is this the right thing to do?", then kills some hookers on Grand Theft Auto. It goes on like this for a long time before a few of them might pull it off IRL. This is just the start and we will only see more murders, rape and hatred the more kids play video games. I'm not blaming video games in itself but it's a part of the violent latent rage human beings holds inside them.

but while gun violence in the US has been a problem for ages
videogames have been a worldwide media phenomenon, and there is not a similar uptick outside the US

Anders Behring Breivik, the Norwegian terrorist abused World of Warcraft and said it boosted his morale and motivation.

He is just one of countless examples.

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The violence errupted in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Yemen. Go Battlefield and Call of Duty! You should know this, Tantrika.

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Look, I've personally committed crimes and I know for a fact all those hours in front of the computer and TV watching evil movies and killing hookers on Grand Theft Auto has made me more hostile. It was a lot easier for me to commit (relatively) unjust crimes after being forgiven by the TV. Also I had a thing for (soccer) hooliganism and it most certainly made me feel all tough and hardcore after watching those lunatics bash each others brains in on movies.

I've worked with children and I know they mimic Tekken/Street Fighter characters moves, I did it myself. And they hurt each other. Heck, they even mimic the heroic Spider Man and his moves and pull them on their fellow kid.

Afghani and Somali human beings in Norway are scared to death by video games, they see the same hatred they desperately fleed from. Wake the fuck up, Tantrika!!!

if your position is honestly that there is no difference between someone having a serious psychological condition from real life sources(PTSD)
and tracing back to before videogames (known as Shellshock in WWI, and general battle fatigue throughout history)
is the same bullshit as videogames having somehow made society more violent
it is not going to be possible for me to take your posts seriously


No, I didn't say that. What I tried to convey was that movies and games is the same bullshit. Murder, rape and hatred. Misery. Culture of fear and hostility. Video games and movies reflects society.

As for sports games:

"Bread and circuses".

Video gaming is madness.

Pinkerton said:

Do you think this is fucking funny!?

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Pinkerton said:

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Very interesting
almost as interesting as the fact that US gaming only really took off around the Xbox 360 generation in 2005
while the overwhelming majority of gaming products and titles prior to that was produced in Japan
including the atrocious violence-endorsing Mario that was mentioned on the previous page as replacing nice and friendly American Mickey Mouse values

Come on! It takes time for the hatred to boil. It most often doesn't happen overnight. Kids think "is this the right thing to do?", then kills some hookers on Grand Theft Auto. It goes on like this for a long time before a few of them might pull it off IRL. This is just the start and we will only see more murders, rape and hatred the more kids play video games. I'm not blaming video games in itself but it's a part of the violent latent rage human beings holds inside them.

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The average gamer is 34 years old and 72 percent are age 18 or older. Women age 18 and older represent a significantly greater portion of the video game-playing population (33 percent) than boys under age 18 (17 percent).

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Pinkerton said:

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but while gun violence in the US has been a problem for ages
videogames have been a worldwide media phenomenon, and there is not a similar uptick outside the US

Anders Behring Breivik, the Norwegian terrorist abused World of Warcraft and said it boosted his morale and motivation.

He is just one of countless examples.

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Pinkerton said:

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The violence errupted in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Yemen. Go Battlefield and Call of Duty! You should know this, Tantrika.

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Look, I've personally committed crimes and I know for a fact all those hours in front of the computer and TV watching evil movies and killing hookers on Grand Theft Auto has made me more hostile. It was a lot easier for me to commit (relatively) unjust crimes after being forgiven by the TV. Also I had a thing for (soccer) hooliganism and it most certainly made me feel all tough and hardcore after watching those lunatics bash each others brains in on movies.
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have personally only ever comitted non-violent drug crimes
and even then, only personal use
grew up on videogames tho
and was taking mushrooms in Mario decades before doing it in real life
so you may be on to something, who knows

maybe try owning up to your crimes rather than trying to pass the buck to videogames to absolve yourself of responsibility

Pinkerton said:

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I've worked with children and I know they mimic Tekken/Street Fighter characters moves, I did it myself. And they hurt each other. Heck, they even mimic the heroic Spider Man and his moves and pull them on their fellow kid.
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Good.
Kids get one opportunity to be kids,
they should not have fun taken from them over concerns of 'violent' play
the other kids should imagine themselves as Black Cat and hand Spiderman's ass to him

Pinkerton said:

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Afghani and Somali human beings in Norway are scared to death by video games, they see the same hatred they desperately fleed from. Wake the fuck up, Tantrika!!!
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Am wide awake
also, still remember back at the end of the 90s when pastors were cutting up pokémon toys and burning them because they feared pokémon games to be Satanic

Pinkerton said:

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if your position is honestly that there is no difference between someone having a serious psychological condition from real life sources(PTSD)
and tracing back to before videogames (known as Shellshock in WWI, and general battle fatigue throughout history)
is the same bullshit as videogames having somehow made society more violent
it is not going to be possible for me to take your posts seriously


No, I didn't say that. What I tried to convey was that movies and games is the same bullshit. Murder, rape and hatred. Misery. Culture of fear and hostility. Video games and movies reflects society.

As for sports games:

"Bread and circuses".

Video gaming is madness.

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honestly, just got back from playing several hours of Skyrim
summoning demons and dousing bandits with flame spraying from my palms

someone will have to let me know if my hands on the keys spewed a bunch of flames at you just now

Pinkerton said:

Do you think this is fucking funny!?

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I'm not blaming video games in itself but it's a part of the violent latent rage human beings holds inside them.

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Good.
Kids get one opportunity to be kids,
they should not have fun taken from them over concerns of 'violent' play
the other kids should imagine themselves as Black Cat and hand Spiderman's ass to him


You condone violence. You're very much affected by video games as a part of the whole vile mess we're in.

It's very ugly and very dirty, it's humanity.

Am wide awake

Tell me, why do you think Afghani and Somali human beings are TERRIFIED of violent video games?

Indulge in it Tantrika. Enjoy it to the max. Violence is so good for your brain.