Home | Community | Message Board
You are not signed in.
Sign In New Account
Forum Index Search Posts Trusted Vendors Highlights Galleries FAQ User List Chat Store Random Growery


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.

Mushrooms, Mycology and Psychedelics > Mushroom Cultivation
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: North Spore Bulk Substrate   Sporeworks.EU Spores for European Microscopy   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 |  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
Pinning, Not Colonized
    #25902892 -

So, I have a cake pinning, but it doesn't appear to be 100% colonized. Is it time to dunk and roll? I'm at 24 days into colonization, PF Tek.

Also, I have a landlord coming by in the next few days, could I refrigerate this cake and not abort the pin?




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: JQM] * 1
    #25902897 -

you could probably refridge it, not sure tho if pin will abort or not though. I would let it finish colonizing after you take it out

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: JQM] * 1
    #25902912 -

The top is your dry verm and won't colonize over.

Bottom looks colonized, just little bacterial and wet substrate against glass.

You could birth it now. few more days wouldn't hurt it I don't think. Fridge should slow things down, but may not be necessary.


--------------------
Space Ape Project
Links For Getting Started
Current PF Tek
Shoebox Assembly
All The Agar Info You Could Want
How It Should & Shouldn't Look


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: LtLurker] * 1
    #25902917 -

if landlord is coming, pop it in fridge to hide it haha just hope he doesnt try to make a sandwich

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: LtLurker]
    #25902926 -

I think I'll leave it until after the landlord comes through, then I'll birth, dunk, roll, and move to the fruiting chamber.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: JQM]
    #25902935 -

Yes sir that's probably your best bet. IMO its better to have them slightly growing invitro then birth, then to try to birth uncolonized.

uncolonized equals more vulnerable to contams IMO.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: Sandman450] * 1
    #25902964 -

Yeah that part that isn't colonized looks like your verm layer. Sometimes your cake will shrink a lot during colonization and the dry verm layer,(which will not colonize just pour that part off when you birth)which is usually hidden behind the lid ring ,will creep it's way down to where actual substrate used to be. So if you can't see pieces of rice in it then it's just verm. Also when I used to do jars I always waited for pins to form before birthing. it just seemed to produce a better 1st flush even with losing some pins to damage while birthing the jars.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: KapnDank]
    #25902977 -

The part that doesn't appear colonized is the bottom of the jar, the 2nd pic. Everywhere else looks solidly colonized. I'm not sure why the bottom didn't finish out...

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: JQM]
    #25902995 -

still think it's just wet/bacterial substrate against glass. That's what happens, doesn't turn white.


--------------------
Space Ape Project
Links For Getting Started
Current PF Tek
Shoebox Assembly
All The Agar Info You Could Want
How It Should & Shouldn't Look


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: LtLurker]
    #25903177 -

That's pretty common on the bottom. If it was worse it might cause a problem but you look fine. That's just excess water settling to the bottom. Too much water pooling and it'll cause bacterial contams. If it worries you just add a very thin layer of dry verm to the bottom of the next batch of jars you make. It'll give the water a place to go without creating an anaerobic environment prone to bacteria.that way if your jars end up being a little too wet it's not a big deal

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: KapnDank]
    #25903186 -

No, extra verm won't be colonizable and adding excess water to it can still breed bacteria. That's a bad idea


--------------------
Space Ape Project
Links For Getting Started
Current PF Tek
Shoebox Assembly
All The Agar Info You Could Want
How It Should & Shouldn't Look


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: JQM]
    #25903284 -

As said the top dry verm layer will not colonize. U want the BRF mix to colonize. Looks like its ready to fruit. Putting it in the fridge before the landlord comes is a good idea, and u can do two things at once by dunking the cake in a container of water and then put into the fridge. :thumbup:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: LtLurker]
    #25904467 -

LtLurker said:
No, extra verm won't be colonizable and adding excess water to it can still breed bacteria. That's a bad idea

it's not added to allow excess water to be intentionally added. It's to act as a buffer in case you don't have your judge of field capacity yet. Yes too much water can still breed bacteria. But a VERY THIN(as in half the width of a pencil) will help out if it is a little bit too wet. It is not however a way to be sloppy it's just a safety net. And if your verm layer is thin enough it will colonize through it on the bottom because the verm on the bottom will be slightly moist compared to the top layer. And even if it doesn't it's non nutritious and not very suceptable to contams. It worked wonderfully for me but it's may not work for everyone

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: KapnDank]
    #25904540 -

i understand you didn't mean add moisture, I was refering to to excess moisture or condensation wetting it. I was unclear.

Still think it's a not a good practice. I think the problem it's attempting to band aid is what would cause it to contam any way, making it a little self defeating. Proper field capacity is not difficult and would prevent the problem all together. Simply doing 2:1:1 accurately will get you in the right spot.

I'm not saying it will always cause failure, but it's superfluous at best imo.


--------------------
Space Ape Project
Links For Getting Started
Current PF Tek
Shoebox Assembly
All The Agar Info You Could Want
How It Should & Shouldn't Look


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: LtLurker]
    #25904878 -

It's totally superfluous. That's why I told op "if it worries you" before I gave the tip. Yes it does only a little to actually prevent the contams, it's more of an aesthetic thing. it won't increase your chances of contams because the moist verm is not anaerobic. but it does run a good chance of giving a new grower a little peace of mind until they're a little more confident. And IME I've never had a jar fail because of anything to do with a bottom verm layer in a decade of growing. not saying others haven't I'm just saying I put it to the test countless times successfully.:shrug:

Edited by KapnDank (03/29/19 09:22 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: KapnDank]
    #25904908 -

I don't understand what you mean by not anaerobic. So it's aerobic? I'm not sure it would matter, I think bacteria of both kinds are problems.

I don't agree on that piece of mind with something that probably doesn't help. knowing you got that balance right after a try or two will do that, and knowing field capacity will help you down the road with bulk subs.

Coincidentally, some have suggested/tried some verm in Grain jars for moisture concerns. It also appears really hinge on the grain prep anyway. Verm doesn't seem to noticably help like some think it might.

/E to address the addition. I'm not saying it'll ruin your jars. I'm using superfluous because it's excessive, not aware of a reason to think it's giving a benefit. Even if it's not detrimental.


--------------------
Space Ape Project
Links For Getting Started
Current PF Tek
Shoebox Assembly
All The Agar Info You Could Want
How It Should & Shouldn't Look


Edited by LtLurker (03/29/19 09:47 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: KapnDank]
    #25904962 -

Seeing as the verm is preventing water from pooling then yes it is aerobic. There are pockets of air there and while both types of bacteria are a problem anaerobic bacteria is whats this is meant to deal with and it's seems to be the most common to encounter especially if it's forming on the bottom of the jars and not around the inoccuation point


--------------------
Trade List

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: KapnDank]
    #25904968 -

It's a shame you had to attack my wording though. Lol


--------------------
Trade List

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: KapnDank]
    #25905595 -

I'm not trying to attack, just understand what you're saying.

I'm still not seeing the benefit, i don't think it works like that. Jars are always aerobic since there's ge and no points that air can't get to and they still can go bacterial. The verm space isn't any different than the rest of the jar. If the jar was anaerobic, myc wouldn't grow.


--------------------
Space Ape Project
Links For Getting Started
Current PF Tek
Shoebox Assembly
All The Agar Info You Could Want
How It Should & Shouldn't Look


Edited by LtLurker (03/30/19 10:53 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Pinning, Not Colonized [Re: LtLurker]
    #25905664 -

Wait the 5-7 days after full colonization for the mycelium to consolidate the BRF.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 |  [ show all ]

Shop: North Spore Bulk Substrate   Sporeworks.EU Spores for European Microscopy   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds

Mushrooms, Mycology and Psychedelics > Mushroom Cultivation
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* humidity, pinning, colonization......should I? cheesyincident 1,576 1 01/24/02 02:41 PM
by Mklangelo
* Will my pins start growing again?
( 1 2 all )		 Nico1996 4,293 20 05/04/21 05:21 PM
by hazyhorse
* Pins on agar and one with contaminant TripPSmittens 2,575 10 05/07/21 09:45 AM
by TripPSmittens
* MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH - FASTER PINNING VIA TEMPERATURE CYCLING
( 1 2 all )		 Hannibal88 19,541 25 07/08/07 09:29 AM
by RogerRabbit
* Re: Using a black light to check on cakes during colonization? MuffinBear 2,321 7 07/03/00 12:57 AM
by Anonymous
* Light During colonization?! SHiZNO 3,959 10 04/30/03 12:49 PM
by jakeholman
* mycobag not pinning TerrapinSunrise 1,895 5 02/01/22 11:09 AM
by coversall
* Colonization after pin/fruiting conditions established. Che_Night_Soil 4,137 6 04/16/03 09:16 AM
by Che_Night_Soil

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, the_chosen_one, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, hamloaf, cronicr, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
664 topic views. 25 members, 3,067 guests and 137 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2026 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.039 seconds spending 0.013 seconds on 16 queries.