Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Brian Jones said:

I wish I could share your opinion of the internet. Despite the wide range of coverage I personally find the internet to be more of a problem for an educated electorate than the MSM. Breitbart and infowars vs Fox. My disgust level can handle monied interests better than holocaust deniers etc. And even more than MSNBC vs Fox, I think the internet just lets people source the segment they already believe in.

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There are plenty of internet sites that provide FAR better coverage than the mainstream media, and educated people know which sites they can trust and which are bologna.  Here's a small number of the good ones:

theintercept.com
thegrayzone.com
globalresearch.ca
mintpressnews.com
jimmydorecomedy.com (Jimmy was just proven right in questioning the Russiagate narrative)
rt.com (to date, no one on the shroomery has been able to show them to be wrong about anything - though I'm not claiming they never made a mistake)

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The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

"asylum claims"

That's the issue here, they're economic migrants seeking asylum from poverty.

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No they aren’t. But even if they were, a good way to deny their asylum claims would be to follow US federal law (and the Geneva conventions) and process them, which we aren’t currently doing.

qman said:

I'm not going to defend the status quo when it comes to border and immigration enforcement, it's been a scam for a long time by our politicians.

They know where the illegals are working and they also know all of illegal social security numbers they're using. The system has to fool the people into believing there's a genuine effort to enforce the existing immigration laws, but that's obviously not the case.  The Elite aren't going to piss away their efforts to dilute wages by allowing tens of millions of illegals into the labor market.

The solution is to actually enforce the current immigration laws, not putting on a show for political reasons.

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Yes, the record number of deportations, detention facilities, militarization, ending DACA, creation of ICE, and record budgets for the border enforcement apparatus just means the elite are only pretending to be tough on immigrants. How convenient for your position. It means you don’t even have to attempt to explain the inherent contradiction that exists between spending record amounts of money to enforce the border (on the basis that it saves us money).

Could it be, now brace yourself, could it be that our current enforcement strategy is simply a bad solution? Now, granted, you claim to not defend the status quo on immigration (which by the way is EXACTLY what Bernie is offering), so what is the proper solution to this apparent crisis?

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The Ecstatic said:

He can correct me if I’m wrong but I think qman is against the idea of a wall.

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Enlil said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

rt.com.  And I'm waiting for your favorite source.

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I have found no source I trust, but this still could be fun.  I'll pick Last Week Tonight as my source. Have at it.

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Excellent!  John Oliver is as much an establishment shill as Rachael Maddow.  Pretty much anything the establishment lies about John Oliver also lies about, so this should be easy.  I think the Ecstatic is off to a great start for my side, but I welcome any help for Enlil against rt.

I'll start tomorrow evening after work, as tonight I was out drinking with friends. 

koods said:

The establismeeeeeent

The rallying cry of the hippy

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The Ecstatic said:

Bernie brings out 17,000 in San Francisco




Woody Guthrie’s grand daughter came on stage to sing This Land Is Your Land with Bernie, Jane, and supporters:

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The Ecstatic said:

Wrong thread?

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The Ecstatic said:

As far as your second point: Bernie has caught a lot of flack from the left (the actual left) for dismissing reparations as an idea of just writing people checks. He argues the best reparations are his social policies that cater to all oppressed peoples, including poor white workers.

Aside from that, Bernie is building a coalition. I know issues like racism and misogyny and anyisemitism are secondary to you because they don’t apply, but he can’t just only talk about things that apply to one voter bloc, that’s not you win elections. Besides, Bernie’s economic policy largely lines up with that of your own.

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The Ecstatic said:

Nobody is pissing on straight white men.

What a better microcosm of identity politics than a white man decrying a victimhood complex of minorities, and then bestowing it upon himself.

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