The Ecstatic said:

Sorry to interrupt yalls 48th congruent thread discussion on immigration but I got some news that pertains to the thread topic:

New Emerson poll out of Wisconsin has Bernie leading the field at 39(!!)%.





This is great news considering Bernie won Wisconsin handily in 2015/16, but more importantly because a Democratic electoral victory in 2020 will require Wisconsin flipping blue.

It’s also pretty funny that MSNBC shared this graphic today, despite Beto polling at 6% in Wisconsin (poll was taken AFTER Beto announced, mind you):

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The Ecstatic said:

I agree. Bernie’s two biggest hurdles will be California and the South.

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I think he could do alright in the South, actually.

Shit, our boy Qman is gonna vote for him

twighead said:

Not that the South shouldn't have a voice in the primaries; but it's frustrating in a way that the South essentially was a huge factor in Hillary winning the primary, when none of those states at all vote D in the electoral.

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twighead said:

Not that the South shouldn't have a voice in the primaries; but it's frustrating in a way that the South essentially was a huge factor in Hillary winning the primary, when none of those states at all vote D in the electoral.

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christopera said:

qman said:

Nice strawman, listen to the video- Bernie is stealing my material!!  He has the exact economic philosophy when it comes to immigration.

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That like the 1 millionth time you've tried to point out a straw man fallacy when it doesn't exist.

Your policy is zero immigration. Bernie's is not. Please refute.

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That's NOT the issue here. WATCH the video, Bernie is stealing my material on immigration!! 

christopera said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Bernie doesn't support zero immigration, obviously, but he understands that unfettered immigration is something that the powerful elite want, and benefit from, more than the middle class.

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25879538#25879538

In the video you posted "open borders" was said, to which Bernie countered.

Neither you, nor me, nor any of the other Bernie supporters, nor Bernie want open borders. We all agree that border protections are necessary. We all also agree that increased border protections will present little net positive gain for our citizens and economy and might actually create a net loss.

So to be clear, qman's staunch anti-immigration (a zero immigration policy) is not the same as what qman has presented, this despite the fact that qman as well as most of us agree that immigration should be controlled.

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qman said:

The discussion is about the economic IMPACT of illegal immigration, Bernie agrees exactly with me on the issue.

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qman said:

christopera said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Bernie doesn't support zero immigration, obviously, but he understands that unfettered immigration is something that the powerful elite want, and benefit from, more than the middle class.

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25879538#25879538

In the video you posted "open borders" was said, to which Bernie countered.

Neither you, nor me, nor any of the other Bernie supporters, nor Bernie want open borders. We all agree that border protections are necessary. We all also agree that increased border protections will present little net positive gain for our citizens and economy and might actually create a net loss.

So to be clear, qman's staunch anti-immigration (a zero immigration policy) is not the same as what qman has presented, this despite the fact that qman as well as most of us agree that immigration should be controlled.

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The discussion is about the economic IMPACT of illegal immigration, Bernie agrees exactly with me on the issue.

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