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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: qman]
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This seems like a little too obvious ideological subversion.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: vault123]
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What do you mean by that?


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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So we’ve all seen Yuri Bezmenov discuss ideological subversion. I’ve posted the video at least once. In the video qman posted there’s a spokesperson lobbying for increased redistribution and bigger government.

That’s at least what I got out of it as he took a pro Bernie, pro Switzerland position. Yes Switzerland is still capitalist, but the goal of ideological subversion is to just keep pushing the government left with the end goal of communism.

Switzerland has higher taxes, bigger government, and greater redistribution than America, so it would be a leftward movement by American standards to try and mimic that government.

Not only that, but it’s also being promulgated by a Russian state sponsored propaganda outlet RT. RT does a good job sometimes but they’re still state sponsored propaganda.

Seeing a Russian who is sponsored by the Russian government telling us to raise our taxes like Switzerland feels a bit manipulative.

Granted, Russia isn’t communist anymore, but they’re still a rival of the United States and their current president Vladimir Putin is ex KGB. So I’m going to be a bit skeptical when a Russian show gives advice on how we should be running our government, especially when that advice is to increase the size of our government.

Edited by vault123 (03/14/19 11:24 AM)

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
"MSNBC Panelist Melts Down Over Bernie Sanders"




When did your posts become so amazing and inspirational?

10 stars, buddy.

Btw, are you voting for Bernie? We're all eagerly waiting for you to join us.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
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"MSNBC Host: I'd Vote Trump Over Bernie!"


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: vault123]
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vault123 said:
...the goal of ideological subversion is to just keep pushing the government left with the end goal of communism.

Seeing a Russian who is sponsored by the Russian government telling us to raise our taxes like Switzerland feels a bit manipulative.


I think you're the victim if ideological subversion from the establishment media.  "RT anchors want to raise taxes on the rich - so we should stand up for the rich at all costs, even if it hurts the rest of us - that'll show them Russians!!!"


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (03/15/19 12:23 AM)

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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It just fit the description so perfectly that I thought it had to be a joke.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
qman said:
"MSNBC Panelist Melts Down Over Bernie Sanders"




When did your posts become so amazing and inspirational?

10 stars, buddy.

Btw, are you voting for Bernie? We're all eagerly waiting for you to join us.



I'll continue to point out the hypocrisy of the MSM, when Bernie embraces economic and social nationalism, I'll vote for him.

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: qman] * 3
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I’d love to vote for the candidate who best represents my views, but he’s not racist enough.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
I’d love to vote for the candidate who best represents my views, but he’s not racist enough.


How is economic and social nationalism "racist"?  You do realize that the US is already a diverse population when it comes to race?  I want my fellow US citizen to do better than non-US citizens regardless of race, unfortunately you can't say the same.

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: qman] * 1
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I want my fellow US citizen to do better than non-US citizens regardless of race, unfortunately you can't say the same.

Your patriotism is precisely the same as nazism, to you it's about the color of a flag. :shrug:

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: Pinkerton]
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Pinkerton said:
I want my fellow US citizen to do better than non-US citizens regardless of race, unfortunately you can't say the same.

Your patriotism is precisely the same as nazism, to you it's about the color of a flag. :shrug:


No, looking out for your fellow citizen isn't the same as "Nazism", it's putting priority on citizenship over non-US citizens. That's a good thing.

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: qman] * 3
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qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
I’d love to vote for the candidate who best represents my views, but he’s not racist enough.


How is economic and social nationalism "racist"?  You do realize that the US is already a diverse population when it comes to race?  I want my fellow US citizen to do better than non-US citizens regardless of race, unfortunately you can't say the same.


I want US citizens and non citizens to both succeed.

That said, none of Bernie’s major plans apply to non US citizens.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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That's the problem, i guess.  Bernie would rather promote social and infrastructure programs than mass deportations and border hardening.  Some folks would rather get nothing than something.  :shrug:

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Pinkerton said:
I want my fellow US citizen to do better than non-US citizens regardless of race, unfortunately you can't say the same.

Your patriotism is precisely the same as nazism, to you it's about the color of a flag. :shrug:


No, looking out for your fellow citizen isn't the same as "Nazism", it's putting priority on citizenship over non-US citizens. That's a good thing.


Yes, it is nazis look out for their own skin color. You look out for people sharing the same color of your flag.

Why do you want US to succeed over other nations?

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
I’d love to vote for the candidate who best represents my views, but he’s not racist enough.


How is economic and social nationalism "racist"?  You do realize that the US is already a diverse population when it comes to race?  I want my fellow US citizen to do better than non-US citizens regardless of race, unfortunately you can't say the same.


I want US citizens and non citizens to both succeed.

That said, none of Bernie’s major plans apply to non US citizens.


Yes, most people want non-US citizens to succeed, but not at the expense of their fellow citizen.

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: Pinkerton]
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Pinkerton said:
qman said:
Pinkerton said:
I want my fellow US citizen to do better than non-US citizens regardless of race, unfortunately you can't say the same.

Your patriotism is precisely the same as nazism, to you it's about the color of a flag. :shrug:


No, looking out for your fellow citizen isn't the same as "Nazism", it's putting priority on citizenship over non-US citizens. That's a good thing.


Yes, it is nazis look out for their own skin color. You look out for people sharing the same color of your flag.

Why do you want US to succeed over other nations?


I want the US to give priority to its own citizens over non-US citizens, just like other nations do for their own citizens.

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: qman]
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I want the US to give priority to its own citizens over non-US citizens, just like other nations do for their own citizens.

Do you want the world to do better than it does now? If you could choose, the world to do better as a whole or the US to do better than the world?

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: Pinkerton]
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Pinkerton said:
I want the US to give priority to its own citizens over non-US citizens, just like other nations do for their own citizens.

Do you want the world to do better than it does now? If you could choose, the world to do better as a whole or the US to do better than the world?


My first preference is for US citizens to do better than the world, while the world does better as well.

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: qman] * 1
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If the world does better, US citizens do better.

It's a win-win.

If the world does worse and US citizens do better.

It's a loss-win.

Do you want win-win or loss-winn?

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