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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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It's not like a mini-USA.

I live here dude. :shrug:

Any direction the US takes and Norway accordingly follow along like a puppet nation. The prime minister (right-winger), Erna Solberg was thrilled to meet Donald Trump.

Did you know Norway had military troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria?

Norway is very different from the United States.

You're wrong.

We got lying politicians promising tax cuts for the poor. "Our" king and a queen lives in a fancy castle, the homeless rot away some kilometers down the road. Most brown people are poor, they're "segregated" in poor parts of Norway. You get looked at if you're brown in skin color. Cops are very authoritarian. Obesity is a growing concern. Strict drug laws. Heroin is very popular and there are many overdoses resulting in death per capita. Plastic surgery is becoming more popular. Murder, rape, sports and pretty faces rules mass media. Hey, Norwegians fucking love to read about American serial killers, it's headline news in Norwegian mass media. Big corporations have pretty much wiped out all smaller corporations. Most Norwegians are crazy patriotic and looks up to the US. I can go on for long.

It's a little less of the Christian nuttery. And we have gun laws.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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chibiabos said:
Bigbadwooof said:
Pinkerton said:
I live in Norway, it's like a mini-USA. Finland is pretty much the same.

Hollywood, McDonald's and Facebook.


It's not like a mini-USA. Norway is very different from the United States. The US is more than McDonalds and Facebook.


Norway doesn't have as many homeless elders.


That's right. We've got nursing homes but the standard is shit.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Total or per capita?


Google it.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Nah,  I'll pass.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Enlil said:
Total or per capita?


Google it.


Google is for smallbrains.  Enlil subscribes to Lexisnexis.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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At $450 per month


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil] * 1
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You sure as hell aren't getting your money's worth.

As it stands, Social Democracy appears to be the undisputed economic/political system of choice on this thread.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


Edited by Bigbadwooof (03/09/19 09:01 PM)

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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I don't see that at all.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Enlil said:
chibiabos said:
Enlil said:
One day, there will be no humans.  That's how evolution works. It's not something to worry about.

Can you name a better functioning economic system than capitalism?


Social democracy.


Can you give an example of a social democracy that you feel has worked well?


By what measure is the United States' brand of capitalism functional? We have massive bubbles just waiting to burst, constant boom and bust cycles, our banks are bigger than when they were too big to fail, we spend an obscene amount of money on military adventurism, we have more prisons than any place in the world, terrible mental health, high infant mortality, incredible wealth inequality (and the whole host of problems that leads to), poor education standards, high crime rates, mass incarceration...

The social democracies of the Nordic countries have better healthcare outcomes, lower infant mortality, longer lifespan, less mental illness, better education standards, lower crime rates, and they are more egalitarian.

They also have quite significantly lower rates of poverty.

The fact of the matter is, America has the capability to create a much better social democracy than the Nordic countries do. We have vastly more wealth and resources.


Read em and weep, comrade.


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FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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I see words. I don't see a lot of objective evidence there.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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Bigbadwooof said:
Enlil said:
chibiabos said:
Enlil said:
One day, there will be no humans.  That's how evolution works. It's not something to worry about.

Can you name a better functioning economic system than capitalism?


Social democracy.


Can you give an example of a social democracy that you feel has worked well?


By what measure is the United States' brand of capitalism functional? We have massive bubbles just waiting to burst, constant boom and bust cycles, our banks are bigger than when they were too big to fail, we spend an obscene amount of money on military adventurism, we have more prisons than any place in the world, terrible mental health, high infant mortality, incredible wealth inequality (and the whole host of problems that leads to), poor education standards, high crime rates, mass incarceration...

The social democracies of the Nordic countries have better healthcare outcomes, lower infant mortality, longer lifespan, less mental illness, better education standards, lower crime rates, and they are more egalitarian.


They also have quite significantly lower rates of poverty.

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Poverty reduction
The Nordic model has been successful at significantly reducing poverty.[42] In 2011, poverty rates before taking into account the effects of taxes and transfers stood at 24.7% in Denmark, 31.9% in Finland, 21.6% in Iceland, 25.6% in Norway and 26.5% in Sweden. After accounting for taxes and transfers, the poverty rates for the same year became 6%, 7.5%, 5.7%, 7.7% and 9.7% respectively, for an average reduction of 18.7 p.p.[43] Compared to the United States, which has a poverty level pre-tax of 28.3% and post-tax of 17.4% for a reduction of 10.9 p.p., the effects of tax and transfers on poverty in all the Nordic countries are substantially bigger.[43] However, in comparison to France (27 p.p. reduction) and Germany (24.2 p.p. reduction) the taxes and transfers in the Nordic countries are smaller on average.[43]


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Bigbadwooof said:The fact of the matter is, America has the capability to create a much better social democracy than the Nordic countries do. We have vastly more wealth and resources.


Read em and weep, comrade.

Also, Nordic Countries Continue To Rank High In Happiness, While America Falls.

Which is probably the most important measure to be making.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


Edited by Bigbadwooof (03/09/19 09:32 PM)

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Also, Nordic Countries Continue To Rank High In Happiness, While America Falls.


Nordic countries score high on the human development index but that's about it. We have the same misery here as in the US, it's just a mini-version. :wink:

6.7 percent of American adults, have had at least one major depressive episode in a given year. The stats are pretty much the same for Norwegians.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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Have you ever been to America?

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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Yes. It's like a mad big brother. Like really mad.

Hence the Norway is a mini version.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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I don't even know why I bother. Actually, I generally don't bother anymore.


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FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bother. :hehehe:

PS: I never said I was in disagreement with you on the social democracy thing.

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